Competitive Federalism

[merka]

https://thediplomat.com/2017/10/com...a-case-study-of-andhra-pradesh-and-telangana/

@LarryThePuntite Very interesting article on how federalism works in India.

Telangana, under the leadership of Kalvakuntla Chandrashekar Rao (KCR), stood 3rd in the 2017 rankings of states receiving industrial investment proposals. The government’s new industrial policy TS-iPASS has contributed immensely to this surge of investments. The policy assures investors of timely clearances, and includes self-certification as one of the provisions. After the introduction of the policy in 2015 Telangana attracted investments of cumulative worth $11.2 billion and helped create 240,000 jobs.

Andhra Pradesh, under the stewardship of Chandrababu Naidu of the Telugu Desam, is not too far behind; the government signed a MoU with the Performance Management and Delivery Unit (PEMANDU) under the Malaysian Prime Minister’s Office, which will assist AP in achieving growth and development and another MoU with Singapore-based Ascendas-Singbridge Pvt Ltd and Sembcorp Development Ltd to develop Amaravathi. Naidu also cleared proposals by Chettinad Cement Corporation, Rain Group, KCP Limited, Mohan Spintex India Ltd and Indo Count Industries Limited. AP isn’t too far behind Telangana’s 79 percent investment growth with its own 50.8 percent growth.

Looks like gobolnomics is working well over in India

 

[DuctTape]

@merka Could you explain some of the benefits or disadvantages of the federal system to your average uninformed user?

 

[Madaxkuti]

https://thediplomat.com/2017/10/com...a-case-study-of-andhra-pradesh-and-telangana/

@LarryThePuntite Very interesting article on how federalism works in India.



Looks like gobolnomics is working well over in India

Yh it works if im not mistaken kerala state in southern india is autonomous to the rest of the country and the government is basically communist. Its the state with the highest gdp per capita in india with living standards not too far off European countries

 

[World]

India has a population of 1.3 billion and over 700 languages. Comparing it to one of the most homogenised countries in Africa with a population of 13 million is wrong.

 

[merka]

@merka Could you explain some of the benefits or disadvantages of the federal system to your average uninformed user?

Well a federal system gives more power to local regional governments than a unitary system where all the power is concentrated in the national government.

The distribution of money and development usually follows the distribution of power. So in theory you'll see more spreading of wealth in a federal system than a unitary one where most of the development is centered in one area. There are exceptions to this rule though.

You can see the difference in Somalia before and after the civil war. Where before the civil war most of the development money was used on Mogadishu and now you see development in other cities with a federal system.

But in reality Somalia isn't really under a federal system, it is at best a confederation. A confederation is when almost all of the power is held within regional governments with a weak almost ceremonial central national government.

This video explains this very well.

 

[Von]

Im down with Federalism like Australia federalism but in Somalia, some folks can be governed while others have to be ruled
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Constitution

 

[Deactivated]

Just don't sell your Gobols futo.

 

[RasCanjero-]

Federalism in Germany would be an example of a competitive federalism.

The federal government only takes the first 15% of corporate taxes and leaves the rest to the states.

All of them compete on taxes, corporate laws and living standards.

Deals with foreign countries could make them more competitive but would leave open opportunities for foreign powers to infiltrate the country

 

[Deactivated]

Federalism in Germany would be an example of a competitive federalism.

The federal government only takes the first 15% of corporate taxes and leaves the rest to the states.

All of them compete on taxes, corporate laws and living standards.

Deals with foreign countries could make them more competitive but would leave open opportunities for foreign powers to infiltrate the country

Somalia will have the weirdest and most unique political system on earth.

This much ancient blood wasn't to follow some textbooks.

 

[Von]

Somalia will have the weirdest and most unique political system on earth.

This much ancient blood wasn't to follow some textbooks.

its probably going to hold back Somalias full potential and keep the country off balance . smh.

 

[RasCanjero-]

Somalia will have the weirdest and most unique political system on earth.

This much ancient blood wasn't to follow some textbooks.

Ancient blood isn't going to help us with S&P and Fitch; strong institutions are.

Give the states as much autonomy they need to stay competitive otherwise it would be just like giving them more rope to hang themselves with.

 

[GeKo]

Yh it works if im not mistaken kerala state in southern india is autonomous to the rest of the country and the government is basically communist. Its the state with the highest gdp per capita in india with living standards not too far off European countries

Isn't that the state that was compared to Somalia?
"Living standards not too far off European" where are you getting this from lol.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Well a federal system gives more power to local regional governments than a unitary system where all the power is concentrated in the national government.

The distribution of money and development usually follows the distribution of power. So in theory you'll see more spreading of wealth in a federal system than a unitary one where most of the development is centered in one area. There are exceptions to this rule though.

You can see the difference in Somalia before and after the civil war. Where before the civil war most of the development money was used on Mogadishu and now you see development in other cities with a federal system.

But in reality Somalia isn't really under a federal system, it is at best a confederation. A confederation is when almost all of the power is held within regional governments with a weak almost ceremonial central national government.

This video explains this very well.

Somalia is a confederation right now because the federal gov is so weak. No federal state is actually challenging the powers enumerated in the constitution for the federal gov. It is just an outcome of continued federal failure.

How open would you be to a confederal arrangement for Somaliland? Would you need an escape clause to be in the arrangement? It could fix a lot of issues.

 

[merka]

Somalia is a confederation right now because the federal gov is so weak. No federal state is actually challenging the powers enumerated in the constitution for the federal gov. It is just an outcome of continued federal failure.

How open would you be to a confederal arrangement for Somaliland? Would you need an escape clause to be in the arrangement? It could fix a lot of issues.

I'm open to a confederal arrangement but it would be an arrangement between Somaliland and Somalia as equal partners under a "Somali Union".

Ideally they would have the same currency, free trade and travel between territories and be under a military alliance.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

I'm open to a confederal arrangement but it would be an arrangement between Somaliland and Somalia as equal partners under a "Somali Union".

Ideally they would have the same currency, free trade and travel between territories and be under a military alliance.

OK, but would you want something like article 39 of Ethiopia's constitution, or would you agree to the permanence of the union? Confederations seem to collapse often e.g Senegambia. Would you agree to a permanent union like Switzerland or want a way out?

 

[felloff]

I believe somaliland and somalia should be under a Confederacy with a currency agreement of exchange ability like Brunei and Singapore.

 

[merka]

OK, but would you want something like article 39 of Ethiopia's constitution, or would you agree to the permanence of the union? Confederations seem to collapse often e.g Senegambia. Would you agree to a permanent union like Switzerland or want a way out?

I would be for an exit clause.

I'd also be for a time limit for the clause. For example it would be valid for 50 years and if the parties still agree to be in the confederation it will be made permanent.

 

[felloff]

Each state should manage and create their own SOE's imagine Juba railways or Jubatel or Punt Electric etc

 

[Deactivated]

I would be for an exit clause.

I'd also be for a time limit for the clause. For example it would be valid for 50 years and if the parties still agree to be in the confederation it will be made permanent.

Why are Somalis vilianizing federalism.

Somalia will have a unique Khaab Dhaaran system that only works for us.

I’m glad you are seeing the light.

 

[SomaliWadaniSoldier]

Somaliland should leave, under one condition:
Khatumo & Makhir stays with Somalia, in return they get Awdal State beside recognition. Iam open to such compromise if both parties dont want a new powersharing agreement.


Take it or leave it O people from Maamulka Sland