Class struggle in Somalia? What is the relationship between rich and poor somalis?

[Yukon_Niner]

Of course you wouldn't mind Communism, you xayawaan goof.

You're a Leftist coon who repeats the white man's phrases, adopts his ideologies, and identify yourself using his terms

Everything I've ever said about you is right. "I wouldn't mind Communism" kulaha

Caqli dameer bad haysata doqonyahow. At least give refute by showing me I'm wrong.

Kkkkkk "u a coon" quit that bullshit little one, there's only one person out of both of us who uses white supremacist talking points and regularly visits right-wing forums to confirm how inferior he is. Forget using phrases and believing in their ideologies (which you do too). You fear them, legit the worst shit I've heard since those alt-right Somali morons. It's bad enough you think ilhan is dooming Somalis.

Yeah....you're not gonna get away with using terms like bourgeoisie and proletariat in Somalia

Lefty Somalis trying to import this cancerous ideology into Somalia

From a person who once said the Marxist are pushing Bantu migration into Somalia. What's next? The Jewish elites?

Though I rarely talk ideology I'll take that shit over whatever retarded crap you've learnt off right-wing forums.

 

[Sheikh]

The difference is in Somali society a wealthy Jeberti is contributing to society, promoting peace, handling and taking care of his business affairs etc. While his counterpart a wealthy Hawiye would be paying child soldiers as his ''Militias'' and go ape shit on governments rebelling and buying guns from abroad to sack governments and cause chaos. A social high class in Somalia is a one way street

 

[Kaafiye]

Caqli dameer bad haysata doqonyahow. At least give refute by showing me I'm wrong.

Kkkkkk "u a coon" quit that bullshit little one, there's only one person out of both of us who uses white supremacist talking points and regularly visits right-wing forums to confirm how inferior he is. Forget using phrases and believing in their ideologies (which you do too). You fear them, legit the worst shit I've heard since those alt-right Somali morons. It's bad enough you think ilhan is dooming Somalis.

From a person who once said the Marxist are pushing Bantu migration into Somalia. What's next? The Jewish elites?

Though I rarely talk ideology I'll take that shit over whatever retarded crap you've learnt off right-wing forums.

Dude is literally using the terminology "bourgeoisie" and "proletariat" and then in the same breath accuses me of adopting the White man's ideology!

It's like you're a cartoon character. You're too stupid to see your own fucking contradictions.

To this day, I've never met 1 self-respecting Muslim who uses such terminology

And yes, I will stand by my kinsman who's a millionaire every single time. I have uncles who are millionaires, and they are more entitled to my love and support than some fucking stranger who shares my tax bracket

Karl Marx was a bahaal and so are you. Get the f*ck out of here with your "class war" bullshit

I don't believe in a class war. It's a bullshit conspiracy theory as idiotic as believing that the Jews orchestrated 9/11. Or that a group of Zionist bankers are secretly behind the scenes.

You're a goof who hasn't outgrown his teenage phase of believing in conspiracy theories.

But yeah, go ahead with your dreams of guillotining the rich

 

[Kaafiye]

"I fear them" kulaha

Pointing out the obvious isn't fear of anyone. If an American could rightly predict Pearl Harbor a few weeks before it happened, that's not fear. That's a prediction

And yes, I do fear for the safety of my Somali brothers and sisters who cannot defend themselves against racist attackers.

I'm not living in some fantasy world where I think bad things don't happen. We've already witnessed massacres of Muslims in places such as mosques, as well as the massacres of all sorts of groups in a country as violent as America.

Yet you brush that aside and consider it an unfounded fear, because you're a who can't think 3 steps ahead. Imagine being concerned about the safety of the Somali minority, and then having another Somali mock you for being "fearful"

Every single post you make confirms what a despicable piece of human garbage you are

 

[Kaafiye]

And by the way, the Prophet (SAW) had a wife who was very wealthy. She was a business owner and would've been considered a millionaire by the standards of that era

Yet this idiot clown thinks that poor Muslims would align themselves with poor Meccans who share their tax bracket instead of a rich Muslim woman like Khadijah

Burn Karl Marx's books. It is a philosophy of ignorance and any Muslim who takes Marx seriously should be mocked for the clown that they are

 

[Kaafiye]

And this clown accusing me of visiting far-right forums and adopting their beliefs....

I also visit Commie forums. I visit Christian forums. I even visit Nigerian forums out of pure curiosity. Although I haven't done so in a while.

Imagine taking such a non-controversial point and formulating your own bullshit theories on that

I've also been accused of being "too soft" on Israel and Jewish people, simply because I hold them in high regard. Did I take that viewpoint from these far-right forums too? You really think these fucking Neo-Nazis on far-right forums have any love for Jewish people?

Are you really gonna run with that? Do I also hate the Igbo tribe because some idiot on a Nigerian forum has some beef against that particular group? Do I believe in the Holy Trinity?

Get the f*ck out of my face.

 

[Kaafiye]

Always remember this you fucking half-wit

I'm an old-timer on this forum. Maybe you're not used to dealing with people who will call you out on your bullshit.

But just remember one thing bro:

I fucking own you. And you will never be allowed to propagate your bullshit Communist beliefs without me calling you out on it. Sit down and learn from someone who's smarter than you. It is not your place to argue

 

[Showbiz]

Class system like the one they have in England is not good it’s a shitty type of dominance that will probably never end and you can’t climb up the social class ladder even rich working class football players and pop stars kids would still be working class like the beckhams kids although they would be in rich circles, the only chance your kids can become middle class or upperclass is if a working class man became wealthy and married a higher class girl

 

[Octavian]

the country is too broke for a class system some are wealthier then other

 

[Yukon_Niner]

Dude is literally using the terminology "bourgeoisie" and "proletariat" and then in the same breath accuses me of adopting the White man's ideology!

It's like you're a cartoon character. You're too stupid to see your own fucking contradictions.

To this day, I've never met 1 self-respecting Muslim who uses such terminology

And yes, I will stand by my kinsman who's a millionaire every single time. I have uncles who are millionaires, and they are more entitled to my love and support than some fucking stranger who shares my tax bracket

Karl Marx was a bahaal and so are you. Get the f*ck out of here with your "class war" bullshit

I don't believe in a class war. It's a bullshit conspiracy theory as idiotic as believing that the Jews orchestrated 9/11. Or that a group of Zionist bankers are secretly behind the scenes.

You're a goof who hasn't outgrown his teenage phase of believing in conspiracy theories.

But yeah, go ahead with your dreams of guillotining the rich

You accused me of doing it first while doing it yourself. And I don't even use the terminology bourgeoisie and proletariat, read properly you smooth brains and at the very least don't be a hypocrite.

Speaking of people too stupid to see their own stupid contradictions what pushed you into blaming the "Marxists" for the mythical Bantu migration into Somalia ? Kkkkkkk you sound like a moron who coopted stormfront talking points to feel attacked.


I have rich relatives in Somalia, in fact I stayed with them multiple times in their giant house with shit your average person in Somalia couldn't even afford. This was I'm stark contrast to the varying amount of kids you'd see on the street begging for food and money every time you ventured outside on the unpaved mud roads that lead to a nice neat house owned by a politician that was situated not far from s bunch of corrugated iron shacks owned by people in poverty. Gee I wonder why communism wouldn't look so good.

Karl Marx was a sociologist, political theorist and a philosopher. His works changed the world, labour movements are why places like the UK have the NHS. Whether he was good or bad is up for debate but Karl Marx was a greater man than you would ever be. Don't delude yourself at the very least the man was intelligent.


Class war is bullshit (something that has happened over the century's) but Marxist pushing mass migration of Bantus into Somalia isn't it? I mean I knew you were and idiot but this is beyond what I imagined. Did the Marxist orchestrate 9/11 too? Kkkkkkkkk

What you failed to comprehend (seeing as your reading comprehension is horrible) is I'm not a communist. At worst I'm a social democrat, I just view communism as a better alternative for Somalia seeing as it's already joked as being the libertarian capitalists dream. But do go on, just look at how great Somalia is definitely better than when it was under a socialist government.

"I fear them" kulaha

Pointing out the obvious isn't fear of anyone. If an American could rightly predict Pearl Harbor a few weeks before it happened, that's not fear. That's a prediction

And yes, I do fear for the safety of my Somali brothers and sisters who cannot defend themselves against racist attackers.

I'm not living in some fantasy world where I think bad things don't happen. We've already witnessed massacres of Muslims in places such as mosques, as well as the massacres of all sorts of groups in a country as violent as America.

Yet you brush that aside and consider it an unfounded fear, because you're a ***** who can't think 3 steps ahead. Imagine being concerned about the safety of the Somali minority, and then having another Somali mock you for being "fearful"

Every single post you make confirms what a despicable piece of human garbage you are

Oh yes because they definitely liked us before they had a Somali congresswoman. It's definitely Ilhan Omar's fault. If you truly feared attacks on the Somali community you'd be advocating for them to get guns, put guards at their masjids and stay vigilant but nope let's just rag on the only Somali in any form of higher power in the US.

Hell you may as well start telling Jews to get out of politics because people hate them.

Forget 3 steps ahead you're in a different reality dameeryahow and if I'm human garbage you're the greasy oil they find at the bottom of the garbage can on a hot summers day. You don't give a shit about Somalis so don't masquerade your lies as something born out of good intentions.

And this clown accusing me of visiting far-right forums and adopting their beliefs....

I also visit Commie forums. I visit Christian forums. I even visit Nigerian forums out of pure curiosity. Although I haven't done so in a while.

Imagine taking such a non-controversial point and formulating your own bullshit theories on that

I've also been accused of being "too soft" on Israel and Jewish people, simply because I hold them in high regard. Did I take that viewpoint from these far-right forums too? You really think these fucking Neo-Nazis on far-right forums have any love for Jewish people?

Are you really gonna run with that? Do I also hate the Igbo tribe because some idiot on a Nigerian forum has some beef against that particular group? Do I believe in the Holy Trinity?

Get the f*ck out of my face.

A non-white guy goes on white supremacist forums, parrots their beliefs while talking about how a Somali congresswoman is gonna doom us.

I mean I don't know why you're mad I'm just pointing out you're being a little . You even said you go on their forums, forums which are filled with delusional people and you took them seriously.

Not only are you a little , you're a moron too.

Always remember this you fucking half-wit

I'm an old-timer on this forum. Maybe you're not used to dealing with people who will call you out on your bullshit.

But just remember one thing bro:

I fucking own you. And you will never be allowed to propagate your bullshit Communist beliefs without me calling you out on it. Sit down and learn from someone who's smarter than you. It is not your place to argue

See this is why people can't be bothered to respond. Stick it into one post until you reach the limit you fucking little shitstain and what exactly do you own? You can't even own your stupid beliefs, you can't even come up with a proper response and you spam the fucking thread like a child.
I've been here since 2017, the few times I've seen you pop out was to complain about ilhan.

By the way, for a self-proclaimed smart guy it's taking you quite a while to realise I'm not a communist. But who am I to argue? I'm just a communist man of lesser intelligence who doesn't realise the whiteys are gonna get him because of Ilhan

 

[Habane]

Because of the poor state of Somalia and Somaliland with the lack of state institutions in the former and extreme weakness in the state institutions of the latter; we have corruption and business men creating cartel-like monopolies.This is the case especially in Somaliland where a handful of men control all major businesses and industries.

But as long as one of those dudes is from their clans and he once in a while gives them some pocket money charity, the ignorant masses are content.Going against monopolies and the games of the rich isn't communism in fact, our religion denounces such men and their greedy actions. Extreme tribalism and hatred between muslims is also against our religion.

Imam Malik

said: "Monopoly occurs in everything, including food products, jute, woolen or safflower products and the like; whatever, if withheld, would harm people, the withholder should be prevented from so doing, but if he is not harming (consumers) or their commerce, there is nothing wrong with it.
Imam Yahya an-Nawawi

said: "The wisdom behind prohibiting monopolistic practices is to prevent the harm that would befall people as a result. Scholars are in agreement that if a person possesses items that people are in dire need of, and they can not find anyone else to supply it, he is to be forced to sell it in order to lessen the harm and remove difficulty from people."

Prophet Muhammad

has made explicit and specific statements about it. For example, he said: "Whoever withholds food (in order to raise its price), has certainly erred!" [Muslim] Also: "Whoever strives to increase the cost (of products) for Muslims, Allah, the Exalted, will seat him in the center of the Fire on the Day of Resurrection." [Ahmad and al-Hakim]

Agreed monopoly, wherein buyers or sellers agree to monopolize an industry. Ibnul Qayyim

said: "Many scholars, such as Abu Haneefah and his companions, have disallowed those who divide real estate and other things for a fee, to unite under a coalition [or cartel], for if they do so, and people are in need of their services, they will increase their rate." Ibn Taymiyyah

said:"'Also, buyers should be prevented from agreeing to purchase what one of them purchases until nothing is left in the market." Ad-Dusooqi, the Maliki jurist

describes another form of price-fixing that occurs in auctions: "It is not lawful for a buyer to secretly agree with others not to raise the price of a product for him in an auction."

 

[Kaafiye]

What the f*ck does a rich relative living in Somalia have to do with someone being dirt-poor in the same region?

So if my Uncle from the West brings his money to buy a mansion in Bosaso, while the city has immense poverty....that's somehow him exploiting the poor? That's somehow a good argument in favour of Communism? I can't believe this worthless excuse of a man is actually defending pure envy and trying to pass it off as a political philosophy. What do you propose you worthless charity case? That we seize his properties and redistribute it?

What then was the reason for him even moving there? You're so fucking stupid not to see the inevitable results of what'll happen when you play these dumb Commie games. Nobody with any measure of wealth will ever spend 1 dollar in Somalia, because he knows animals like you will attempt to seize it due to your bullshit Marxist beliefs

And don't give me that bullshit that "I'm not a Communist"

Your posts on this forum were clear and easy to see. Scroll up. It's right on this very thread. Don't be a coward and disown your Communist beliefs as soon as you're called out on it

And yes, class war is indeed bullshit and most of the conflicts human beings engage in are about something other than class. Anyone who has an ounce of sense could see that

Marx also believed that human beings lived a pleasant life before the age of Feudalism. He thought men lived free and prosperous lives until the rich came along and spoiled the party. Marx believed that in the future, men will have no specialization. That a man could be a farmer on Monday, a newspaper critic on Tuesday, a medical professional on Wednesday, and a logger on Thursday. And that humans won't work out of necessity and we could all live free and prosperous lives without the concept of money

This is the goof you take seriously. This is the clown that you praise. And you wonder why I laugh at you

 

[Kaafiye]

And about Somalia being a "libertarians dream"

Somalia having a lack of a central government doesn't mean it lacks armed men on the ground. It doesn't mean there aren't corrupt militia groups, warlords, terrorist groups and all kinds of different people trying to enforce their will

Again, you're fucking embarrassing yourself when you claim Somalia is an example of a "libertarian dream"

You know who says that shit? Racist cadaan men who have no idea what's going on in Somalia. Yet you listen to their descriptions of your own country because you're a boot-licking who listens to whatever the cadaan man says, uncritically.

You don't have the right to be condescending when you're stupid. That makes no sense at all

 

[Kaafiye]

Yes, abolishing Police Officers and replacing it with armed men guarding masjids and community centers really makes a lot of sense

You prove your own idiocy with every single post you make. You live in this bullshit fantasy dream where you excuse Ilhan Omar for calling for disbanding the Police Department, claiming that Muslims will be able to defend themselves against racist attacks

Your stupidity is too much to describe. Delete your entire existence you half-witted moron.

I'm for Police protection. Somalis are a small minority and they need the protection of Officers against racist vigilantes. Anyone who's opposed to that is an evil son-of-a- who wants to see Somalis (and minorities in general) hurt

Imagine taking this concern that I have for Somali people and claiming that I'm making alt-right talking points. The fact that I want Somalis cooperating with Officers and getting them to protect us



This is why I own you. I only have to show your own statements and how out-of-touch they are.

 

[Yukon_Niner]

@Kaafiye yet again can you please follow the forum etiquette and quit spamming the thread. put it into one reply you daft c*nt.

 

[Kaafiye]

@Kaafiye yet again can you please follow the forum etiquette and quit spamming the thread. put it into one reply you daft c*nt.

I'll break my responses up in any manner I want you dumb c*nt

Continue to twerk for Vladimir Lenin and Karl Marx you clown. I can't believe this guy actually tried to switch up and disown his own beliefs in front of me.

That makes you even more of a . The fact that you can't own up to your own beliefs when confronted

 

[Life]

Somalia has been poor for ages, if they don't care about economic disparities between the rich and the poor now, they won't care later, unless someone makes it a priority and launch a campaign to highlight it.

 

[Kaafiye]

Somalia has been poor for ages, if they don't care about economic disparities between the rich and the poor now, they won't care later, unless someone makes it a priority and launch a campaign to highlight it.

Income inequality isn't a bad thing

If I moved to Galkacyo with my money, then I drastically contributed to the income/wealth inequality in that city. But no one could argue that I made the city worse simply due to my mere presence there.

If anything, I'm benefiting my neighbours

 

[Yukon_Niner]

I'll break my responses up in any manner I want you dumb c*nt

Continue to twerk for Vladimir Lenin and Karl Marx you clown. I can't believe this guy actually tried to switch up and disown his own beliefs in front of me.

That makes you even more of a *****. The fact that you can't own up to your own beliefs when confronted

Yes continue making posting three messages so no one can be bothered to reply to you and so you can claim you won. Truly an amazing tactic. Though I would like to go through multiple posts and show you specifically what is stupid about what you said, I have neither the energy nor the time for someone who won't even be able to comprehend it.

Here is the definition of a communist

The noun:

a person who supports or believes in the principles of communism.
"I was very left-wing but I was never a communist"

The adjective:

adhering to or based on the principles of communism.
"a French communist writer"

I neither agree nor support the principles of communism. Yet again if you had a speck of intelligence you'd know I wasn't a communist (though I'm gonna chalk this up to your habit of calling your enemies communists and Marxists) because I don't fit the definition and I've stated my political beliefs various times to users like @Apollo and @Jimmer which is in my user history.

So I ask, why lie? It doesn't take much of an investigation to figure out I'm not a communist.

Social democracy - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

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My view is a social democracy is the best socialist form of a government (not the best form of government in general). You're free to argue against it.

I can own up to my beliefs, yours are compromised of fearing white supremacists, hating Marxists and thinking everyone left of you is a communist. they don't even make sense and you yourself can't defend them. I'll always know I'm not a big enough I'll hate on a Somali because cadaan people hate them.

 

[Radical]

What the f*ck does a rich relative living in Somalia have to do with someone being dirt-poor in the same region?

So if my Uncle from the West brings his money to buy a mansion in Bosaso, while the city has immense poverty....that's somehow him exploiting the poor? That's somehow a good argument in favour of Communism? I can't believe this worthless excuse of a man is actually defending pure envy and trying to pass it off as a political philosophy. What do you propose you worthless charity case? That we seize his properties and redistribute it?

What then was the reason for him even moving there? You're so fucking stupid not to see the inevitable results of what'll happen when you play these dumb Commie games. Nobody with any measure of wealth will ever spend 1 dollar in Somalia, because he knows animals like you will attempt to seize it due to your bullshit Marxist beliefs

And don't give me that bullshit that "I'm not a Communist"

Your posts on this forum were clear and easy to see. Scroll up. It's right on this very thread. Don't be a coward and disown your Communist beliefs as soon as you're called out on it

And yes, class war is indeed bullshit and most of the conflicts human beings engage in are about something other than class. Anyone who has an ounce of sense could see that

Marx also believed that human beings lived a pleasant life before the age of Feudalism. He thought men lived free and prosperous lives until the rich came along and spoiled the party. Marx believed that in the future, men will have no specialization. That a man could be a farmer on Monday, a newspaper critic on Tuesday, a medical professional on Wednesday, and a logger on Thursday. And that humans won't work out of necessity and we could all live free and prosperous lives without the concept of money

This is the goof you take seriously. This is the clown that you praise. And you wonder why I laugh at you

You're talking to an actual communist now. feel free to continue on with insults and swearing if it helps your argument, I for one will keep it respectful

I'm sure you agree that these are issues and a lot of them are actually going to remain with us for as long as we have a capitalist system. Some of these things are:

>racism/gang violence
>terrorism
>political ignorance
>extreme poverty

Many of these social and systemic problems are as a result of capitalism, but many others are also due to the fact that we live in a class divided society, where one class rules, and the others are forced to serve and be exploited. Capitalism helps to perpetuate that class divided society through generations

A perfect example of how capitalism keeps these issues well alive is by looking at the African American population in US (land of the free)
As I'm sure you're unaware, economic warfare has long been the choice tool of racial oppression for Black Americans. From slavery to segregated businesses, to encouraging a crack epidemic, to still being forced to live in low-income housing that perpetuates and exacerbates the problems of the Black community like poverty and gang violence. And also the obvious one, police brutality, it's obvious how Somalis are also a victim of this
This is much worse in countries that are going through the depravity caused by colonialism and neocolonialism
Just because you have a higher standard of living than 3rd world countries doesnt mean the system is perfect and doesn't need to change, far from it.

Extreme poverty is often the root of many forms of violence. Through socialism, oppressed poor people will have both political and economic power to create change in their communities. Once you deal with the root cause of the issue, the healing can begin through well funded social programs such as education, mental health services etc. while everyone has their basic needs met to survive so no one will have to resort to committing acts of violence just to eat their next meal.