CIA: Israel participation in the Somali Civil war

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

During apartheid, the ANC received support and help from various nations. It had members and HQ in different countries. We're they also a proxy

you can’t compare rebels who destroyed their country to the ANC fight against apartheid

 

[Barkhadle1520]

During apartheid, the ANC received support and help from various nations. It had members and HQ in different countries. We're they also a proxy

Dadkaan Kacaanka cabudaya waa ajiib wlhi

One day they will say SNM had dajjal helping them

 

[Barkhadle1520]

you can’t compare rebels who destroyed their country to the ANC fight against apartheid

SNM defended their people from genocidal maniacs, thats even better than those who beg for liberation

 

[Neptune]

you can’t compare rebels who destroyed their country to the ANC fight against apartheid

Post civil war activities is an entirely different conversation. Somalis had their qualms with the government for different reasons and to imply that they were just fighting as foreign agents is ridiculous.

 

[Idilinaa]

We destroyed ourselves. We need to take accountability and stop blaming others for our own failures.

Yes, internal accountability is crucial. No society can heal or rebuild without first looking inward and addressing its own flaws and failures.

But we also can’t pretend we operated in a vacuum. External forces absolutely shaped and in many ways inflamed our internal divisions.

We didn’t colonize ourselves . We didn’t fund and arm warlords. We didn’t create proxy militias through neighboring states.

So when people say “we destroyed ourselves,” it becomes a dangerously incomplete truth , one that erases decades of external manipulation and foreign intervention.

Self-reflection doesn’t mean self-blame at the expense of context. Accountability and historical accuracy must go hand in hand.

And recent history shows that when foreign interference is dialed back like in the Ogaden after 2018, or in broader Somali regional spaces in recent decades, Somalis don’t collapse into chaos. They build. They organize. They reconcile. Given the space and sovereignty to do so, they rise.

 

[Idilinaa]

SNM was not created by Ethiopia beenta iska jooji

Did Ethiopia fund the SNM to destabilize Somalia ? Yes.
Did Ethiopia create it ? No.

There is a big difference, the relationship SNM had with Derg was that of mutual benefit.

It is true , SNM was initially formed in London, but it was organized, trained, armed, and directed in Ethiopia. It wasn’t a grassroots movement that emerged from inside Somalia, it was built up abroad, under the supervision of a hostile neighboring regime.


And let’s be honest there was no real “mutual benefit.” The Derg saw SNM (and others like it) as tools to destabilize Somalia, not as partners. SNM didn’t operate as an equal they were exploited to serve Ethiopia’s regional interests. That’s the core of what being a proxy means.


So yes, while Somalis created the SNM, its function, support system, and theater of operation were all deeply tied to a foreign power’s agenda. That can’t be downplayed.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Post civil war activities is an entirely different conversation. Somalis had their qualms with the government for different reasons and to imply that they were just fighting as foreign agents is ridiculous.

Mengistu was using them all as proxy’s shameful stuff to run to Somalias historical enemy

All of those rebel groups regardless of what region or tribe they come from helped destroy Somalia

 

[Barkhadle1520]

It is true , SNM was initially formed in London, but it was organized, trained, armed, and directed in Ethiopia. It wasn’t a grassroots movement that emerged from inside Somalia, it was built up abroad, under the supervision of a hostile neighboring regime.


And let’s be honest there was no real “mutual benefit.” The Derg saw SNM (and others like it) as tools to destabilize Somalia, not as partners. SNM didn’t operate as an equal they were exploited to serve Ethiopia’s regional interests. That’s the core of what being a proxy means.


So yes, while Somalis created the SNM, its function, support system, and theater of operation were all deeply tied to a foreign power’s agenda. That can’t be downplayed.

Its function was not to destabilize the country, they just had a common ennemy and that was your kuffar commie uncle who was shelling masakin

 

[Idilinaa]

During apartheid, the ANC received support and help from various nations. It had members and HQ in different countries. We're they also a proxy

Oh absolutely! By that logic, the ANC must have been a full-blown puppet of every country that gave them shelter or support. Forget the decades of grassroots struggle, mass uprisings, or the fact that they had overwhelming domestic legitimacy... clearly, it was all just Moscow and Lusaka pulling the strings like a Netflix spy thriller.


Next thing you know, Mandela was just a KGB hologram and the Soweto Uprising was staged by foreign directors.

See how ridiculous that sounds? You can't compare a liberation movement with deep local roots and popular support to groups that were literally formed, trained, commanded, and politically directed by hostile neighboring regimes with their own agendas.

 

[Neptune]

Mengistu was using them all as proxy’s shameful stuff to run to Somalias historical enemy

I don’t respect any of those rebel groups regardless of what region or tribe they come from

If you're fighting an entire government and their military apparatus, of course you will take the necessary support needed to overthrow them.

 

[Neptune]

Oh absolutely! By that logic, the ANC must have been a full-blown puppet of every country that gave them shelter or support. Forget the decades of grassroots struggle, mass uprisings, or the fact that they had overwhelming domestic legitimacy... clearly, it was all just Moscow and Lusaka pulling the strings like a Netflix spy thriller.


Next thing you know, Mandela was just a KGB hologram and the Soweto Uprising was staged by foreign directors.

See how ridiculous that sounds? You can't compare a liberation movement with deep local roots and popular support to groups that were literally formed, trained, commanded, and politically directed by hostile neighboring regimes with their own agendas.

You're also ignoring the decades of anti Siad sentiment among Somalis. There were also underground local grassroots movements focused on getting rid of him. In fact there definitely is a parallel between the fight against apartheid and Kacaan, but maybe you cannot see it.

 

[Neptune]

Did you guys know Somalia gets support from thousands of Burundian troops? I think we may also be a proxy for Burundi

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

after seeing what Somalia has become over the last 34 years there’s no way you can still support those rebel groups

 

[Neptune]

after seeing what Somalia has become over the last 34 years there’s no way you can still support those rebel groups

It's very easy to say this in hindsight, but they didn't know the future. It wasn't expected certain characters would go crazy and extend the civil war. All they knew was that Siad needed to go. Why not also put the blame on him? Ego wouldn't let him step aside, ponder on that as well.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Did you guys know Somalia gets support from thousands of Burundian troops? I think we may also be a proxy for Burundi

Did you guys know the US trains SNA troops? I think Somalia may also be a proxy of the US Wait a minute..

 

[Barkhadle1520]

after seeing what Somalia has become over the last 34 years there’s no way you can still support those rebel groups

Yeah you're right..

Maybe we should've just watched the bombs drop and just not do anything about it.. Damn, it's totally our fault for taking up arms, should've watched them kill us all that would have certainly fixed everything

 

[Idilinaa]

Its function was not to destabilize the country, they just had a common ennemy and that was your kuffar commie uncle who was shelling masakin

Oppose a “Kuffar commie uncle” by aligning with an actual kuffar commie who hated Islam and actively persecuted Muslims? Make it make sense.

Mengistu’s regime didn’t just oppose Somalia it targeted Islam itself. He had his church patriarchs issue decrees against Muslims, mosques were demolished, Qur’ans desecrated, and Islamic schools were shut down.

Refugees who fled to Somalia testified that prayer was banned and Islamic texts were literally used as building material for government offices.
''Korans destroyed, koranic schools closed, prayers forbidden, and mosqes destroyed. Their materials were desecrated by the army who used them to construct state buildings

This is who you shared “common interests” with?

Let’s not pretend SNM was a religious resistance. It was founded in London by a secular Christian Somali named Abdi Doude. Egal, one of its key figures, was an open drinker and secularist. SSDF was even more communist than the government they were fighting , they admired Marxist-Leninist states and wanted to put a Lenin statue in Mogadishu.

And let’s not forget USC’s Aidid , he was literally in a Hindu cult.

So let’s stop the revisionism. Their opposition wasn’t about faith, it wasn’t about freedom, and it definitely wasn’t about justice. It was personal ambition dressed up in politics propped up by foreign powers that hated Somalia’s sovereignty more than they loved anyone’s “freedom.”


Cracking down on foreign proxies isn’t authoritarianism. It’s called defending your country.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Yeah you're right..

Maybe we should've just watched the bombs drop and just not do anything about it.. Damn, it's totally our fault for taking up arms

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[Neptune]

Did you guys know the US trains SNA troops? I think Somalia may also be a proxy of the US Wait a minute..

From Kismayo to Saylac, the entire region survives on US aid contributions. You can't say no to your lifeline. Not a proxy, more akin to a puppet state. Everything is for sale in the current Somalia.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Oppose a “Kuffar commie uncle” by aligning with an actual kuffar commie who hated Islam and actively persecuted Muslims? Make it make sense.

Mengistu’s regime didn’t just oppose Somalia it targeted Islam itself. He had his church patriarchs issue decrees against Muslims, mosques were demolished, Qur’ans desecrated, and Islamic schools were shut down.

Refugees who fled to Somalia testified that prayer was banned and Islamic texts were literally used as building material for government offices.
''Korans destroyed, koranic schools closed, prayers forbidden, and mosqes destroyed. Their materials were desecrated by the army who used them to construct state buildings
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This is who you shared “common interests” with?

Let’s not pretend SNM was a religious resistance. It was founded in London by a secular Christian Somali named Abdi Doude. Egal, one of its key figures, was an open drinker and secularist. SSDF was even more communist than the government they were fighting , they admired Marxist-Leninist states and wanted to put a Lenin statue in Mogadishu.

And let’s not forget USC’s Aidid , he was literally in a Hindu cult.

So let’s stop the revisionism. Their opposition wasn’t about faith, it wasn’t about freedom, and it definitely wasn’t about justice. It was personal ambition dressed up in politics propped up by foreign powers that hated Somalia’s sovereignty more than they loved anyone’s “freedom.”


Cracking down on foreign proxies isn’t authoritarianism. It’s called defending your country.

It was a liberation movement, but the people that were on the ground doing the fighting were muslims, and they were mujahideen no doubt about that

This is what your uncle gave to muslims, without mentioning the burning of scholars

The SNM was not perfect, but without the SNM what would we be today ? No matter how much you slander them this will remain a fact


There is everything to be proud in the people that fought for our liberation, in contrary what can you guys be proud of except raping and killings ? We all know how and who founded Puntland and FGS as well lmao

Also why should I care about what happened to Reer Ogaden lmao, we both know what they were up to in waqoyi