China furious over Panama deal

[The truth seeker]

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@Aseer

 

[Aseer]

I dont like china but even I have to admit that we have entered the chinese century no matter what america or the west tries doing to stop it, the only thing I am looking forward to from china is the EV industry you should look into that as well thats one of the industries I believe will help them dominate the west, Chinese manufacturing is superior.

 

[Aseer]

Btw @The truth seeker watch this video it explains it better than me

 

[The truth seeker]

Btw @The truth seeker watch this video it explains it better than me

China under xi doing horrible there economic boom has ended, BRI has been a failure, and he has turned the country into a pariah of Asia cherry on top is there population is getting way to old

We going back to Cold War dynamics America and China are natural superpowers idiot leaders won’t change that however the rest of the west is done economically

 

[Hotchick12]

China under xi doing horrible there economic boom has ended, BRI has been a failure, and he has turned the country into a pariah of Asia cherry on top is there population is getting way to old

We going back to Cold War dynamics America and China are natural superpowers idiot leaders won’t change that however the rest of the west is done economically

he’s trying to get his economy into high tech manufacturing, china will dominate the semiconductor industry

 

[The truth seeker]

he’s trying to get his economy into high tech manufacturing, china will dominate the semiconductor industry

Japan and Taiwan dominate the semi conductor industry EV and renewable energy two highly competitive fields China has the edge

Tech race is between America , China , and South Korea Japan lost its edge in recent years not surprising since those countries are always at the top of the ecnomcic charts

All this being said xi is a fool if Jiang Zemin or Hu Jintao were still around China would be the worlds largest economy

 

[Taintedlove]

Btw @The truth seeker watch this video it explains it better than me

That gattsu guy is so funny

 

[Idilinaa]

I dont like china but even I have to admit that we have entered the chinese century no matter what america or the west tries doing to stop it, the only thing I am looking forward to from china is the EV industry you should look into that as well thats one of the industries I believe will help them dominate the west, Chinese manufacturing is superior.

That's what underpins Trumps behavior. It's just desperation politics, he intuitively knows America is loosing it's global standing and is headed towards a decline.

Listen from 11:00

 

[The truth seeker]

That's what underpins Trumps behavior. It's just desperation politics, he intuitively knows America is loosing it's global standing and is headed towards a decline.

Listen from 11:00

China and America are locked in a new Cold War don't know what decline this guy is talking about he sounds like he’s full of shit Americas share of global GDP has consistently stayed 25 percent for the past 40 years and it’s millitary is the the worlds most advanced and well funded its population isn’t aging as fast or declining like the EU or China

What is true is that the western bloc is becoming less important as Asian economies are growing at breath taking speed america isn’t like britan or France who are nothing without empire it’s natural resources are worth the most after Russia it’s the worlds largest producer of food and oil

Panama is de facto American controlled anyway its national currency is pegged to the dollar

 

[Aseer]

That's what underpins Trumps behavior. It's just desperation politics, he intuitively knows America is loosing it's global standing and is headed towards a decline.

Listen from 11:00

What he said about chinese EV's is very true they are the most advanced of their kind and way cheaper and more efficient than western made ones, take the likes of BYD which he mentioned or other Chinese EV producers that I am watching like NIO, Xpeng, Li etc. Are mostly still outcompeting western EV's in the likes of europe (Mostly BYD at the moment) although progress is not that fast due to tariffs it just goes to show how far the west is behind in this crucial sector, I have personally even been seeing BYD vehicles popping up more recently But yes overall china understands the future lies in EV's, Chips, AI and all things tech hence their aggressive funding of these projects.

 

[Aseer]

@The truth seeker @Idilinaa I'm sure you guys were aware of the Deep Seek scandal that happened a month back when china released a way more cost efficient but superior AI model to americas Chat GPT, And how it absolutely crashed the US stock market causing 1 Trillion dollars in losses with US Tech stocks taking the biggest hit especially NVIDIA

What is DeepSeek and why did US tech stocks fall?

Why doubts have been raised about sustainability of US artificial intelligence boom

www.theguardian.com

What really scares me is what china could make if their startup DeepSeek got the same funding as ChatGPT

 

[The truth seeker]

@The truth seeker @Idilinaa I'm sure you guys were aware of the Deep Seek scandal that happened a month back when china released a way more cost efficient but superior AI model to americas Chat GPT, And how it absolutely crashed the US stock market causing 1 Trillion dollars in losses with US Tech stocks taking the biggest hit especially NVIDIA

What is DeepSeek and why did US tech stocks fall?

Why doubts have been raised about sustainability of US artificial intelligence boom

www.theguardian.com

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What really scares me is what china could make if their startup DeepSeek got the same funding as ChatGPT

Wake up call for American firms especially the one ones from California face a burdensome regulatory environment and insane taxes the rest of silicon valley will move to Austin Texas Oracle, HP ,Tesla and many other companies have already made the move

America is still is miles ahead in aerospace and VC funding trump has already committed trillions in spending for more data centers and AI infrastructure this tech war will be interesting Biden was for sure asleep at the wheel

 

[Idilinaa]

@The truth seeker @Idilinaa I'm sure you guys were aware of the Deep Seek scandal that happened a month back when china released a way more cost efficient but superior AI model to americas Chat GPT, And how it absolutely crashed the US stock market causing 1 Trillion dollars in losses with US Tech stocks taking the biggest hit especially NVIDIA

What is DeepSeek and why did US tech stocks fall?

Why doubts have been raised about sustainability of US artificial intelligence boom

www.theguardian.com

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What really scares me is what china could make if their startup DeepSeek got the same funding as ChatGPT

What he said about chinese EV's is very true they are the most advanced of their kind and way cheaper and more efficient than western made ones, take the likes of BYD which he mentioned or other Chinese EV producers that I am watching like NIO, Xpeng, Li etc. Are mostly still outcompeting western EV's in the likes of europe (Mostly BYD at the moment) although progress is not that fast due to tariffs it just goes to show how far the west is behind in this crucial sector, I have personally even been seeing BYD vehicles popping up more recently But yes overall china understands the future lies in EV's, Chips, AI and all things tech hence their aggressive funding of these projects.

It reached a loss of 5 trillion now due to Trump further exacerbating. China is making them bleed money

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/14/us-stock-market-loses-5-trillion-in-value-in-three-weeks.html

What you said is correct. The glaring difference between China and the US is that they heavily invest in their human capital, both in terms of technology, industrial base and education(funding education, R&D, and industrial training to build a skilled local workforce.)

That's why China has exponentially higher numbers of domestic/local skilled and educated work force than United States who has to roll out visas to attract them from abroad(The U.S. relies on importing talent through visas (H-1B, O-1) rather than developing enough local experts.)

America rather invests in outsourcing labour and production, military industry and they will never cut down on their military spending. Not even Donald Trump wants to do it.

China prioritizes local manufacturing and has developed a complete supply chain for almost everything.

America outsourced much of its industrial production, relying on foreign factories (especially in China).

The end result is that: China builds and keeps wealth internally. America loses wealth to outsourcing.

One thing also i heavily rate the Chinese with , is that they are the truest form of Patriots, not the performative kind that you see from these braindead Rednecks who scream "Murrica" but the real kind in practice.

Not only do they invest in their people, Chinese students & researchers study abroad (mostly in the U.S.), absorb knowledge, and return home to develop China.

The U.S. educates foreign talent, but many leave, taking expertise back to their home countries.

China strategically gains intellectual property & innovation. America trains its competition.

Basically they are in constant "Brain Gain" mode.

 

[Aseer]

Wake up call for American firms especially the one ones from California face a burdensome regulatory environment and insane taxes the rest of silicon valley will move to Austin Texas Oracle, HP ,Tesla and many other companies have already made the move

America is still is miles ahead in aerospace and VC funding trump has already committed trillions in spending for more data centers and AI infrastructure this tech war will be interesting Biden was for sure asleep at the wheel

China really took some big strides under bidens administration but yeah I agree with you it will be very interesting to see how this tech race will play out with trump around, I am sure if they play their cards right they can keep china at bay.

 

[Idilinaa]

One thing also i heavily rate the Chinese with , is that they are the truest form of Patriots, not the performative kind that you see from these braindead Rednecks who scream "Murrica" but the real kind in practice.

China’s patriotism is practical, its government ensures national progress and economic strength

Many Americans confuse patriotism with slogans, flags, and military pride, rather than building their nation’s actual strength.

China’s patriotism translates into policies that uplift the country. America’s patriotism is often symbolic, not structural.

You can see this reflected in their spending what their priorities are. China's prioritizes it's people & country whilst America's priorities are in it's global power projections.

China invests in infrastructure & technology, bridges, roads, green energy, and AI.

America overspends on the military, more than the next 10 countries combined ($800+ billion annually).

 

[Idilinaa]

Also @Aseer did you listen to @15:13 he says that China and its allies are now the richest block they hold 35% of global GDP , whereas the US G7 block holds 28%

The game has changed so much that, that every country in Asia, Africa and Latin America now looks towards China , who to borrow money from, who to go to , to cut a deal with, who to go to sell your exports, who to go to invest in your railways. They used to go to Washington, London, Paris, now they still go there but they are increasingly moving towards Soa Paulo, Beijing etc and they ask can you give us a better deal?, they get the better deals and go that way.

American politicians like Trump refuse to come to terms with it, the American empire is over.

 

[The truth seeker]

China’s patriotism is practical, its government ensures national progress and economic strength

Many Americans confuse patriotism with slogans, flags, and military pride, rather than building their nation’s actual strength.

China’s patriotism translates into policies that uplift the country. America’s patriotism is often symbolic, not structural.

You can see this reflected in their spending what their priorities are. China's prioritizes it's people & country whilst America's priorities are in it's global power projections.

China invests in infrastructure & technology, bridges, roads, green energy, and AI.

America overspends on the military, more than the next 10 countries combined ($800+ billion annually).

Americas military industrial complex has enormous economic benefits and is why there still a tech leader it would be down right foolish to cut spending

America is wealthy is can Afford things other countries can’t superpowers can’t be a paper tiger like Western Europe or Russia

America has the worlds largest road network ,is home to two of the worlds busiest airports , and miami and Everglades are the worlds busiest cruise ports it’s infrastructure is solid

 

[The truth seeker]

Also @Aseer did you listen to @15:13 he says that China and its allies are now the richest block they hold 35% of global GDP , whereas the US G7 block holds 28%

The game has changed so much that, that every country in Asia, Africa and Latin America now looks towards China , who to borrow money from, who to go to , to cut a deal with, who to go to sell your exports, who to go to invest in your railways. They used to go to Washington, London, Paris, now they still go there but they are increasingly moving towards Soa Paulo, Beijing etc and they ask can you give us a better deal?, they get the better deals and go that way.

American politicians like Trump refuse to come to terms with it, the American empire is over.

Other countries have caught up in terms of economy nothing really new been happing for the past 30 years G7 peaked in 1995 that organization is entirely American dominated nowdays


Africa and Latin America have been looking for China deals for the past 20 years the west does not have a monopoly there independent nations and can do what they want Zimbabwe has a minerals deal with xi while Congo is trying to strike a deal with Trump


America is a super power not a empire don’t know where you got that from the last one was the British empire and it expired in 1997


Its gonna be a long four years if we keep fear mongering like this

 

[Aseer]

Also @Aseer did you listen to @15:13 he says that China and its allies are now the richest block they hold 35% of global GDP , whereas the US G7 block holds 28%

The game has changed so much that, that every country in Asia, Africa and Latin America now looks towards China , who to borrow money from, who to go to , to cut a deal with, who to go to sell your exports, who to go to invest in your railways. They used to go to Washington, London, Paris, now they still go there but they are increasingly moving towards Soa Paulo, Beijing etc and they ask can you give us a better deal?, they get the better deals and go that way.

American politicians like Trump refuse to come to terms with it, the American empire is over.

China really is moving ahead while USA degenerates with its useless western allies leeching off its back and what you and the video just outlined, Honestly the only reason why I am against somalia cooperating with china is because of how they are treating other african countries (Debt traps and exploitation) which I dont blame them cause I realised china deals respectfully with countries that respect themselves and have something to offer in return, which USA also does but to a lesser degree. Honestly if somalia gets its act together I can envision a future of mutual cooperation with china but thats just me dreaming.

 

[Idilinaa]

Americas military industrial complex has enormous economic benefits and is why there still a tech leader it would be down right foolish to cut spending

America is wealthy is can Afford things other countries can’t superpowers can’t be a paper tiger like Western Europe or Russia

America has the worlds largest road network ,is home to two of the worlds busiest airports , and miami and Everglades are the worlds busiest cruise ports it’s infrastructure is solid

Not really the U.S. Military-Industrial Complex is wasteful, Not productive. They would lead you to believe it benefits the economy, but in reality, it drains resources away from productive sectors like infrastructure, education, and technology.

$800+ billion per year is spent on military hardware, bases, and war, not on improving American lives.

The U.S. military's spending is not even efficient, trillions have been wasted in failed wars (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.).

You say: "America has the world's largest road network" but many roads, bridges, and public transit systems are collapsing.

The American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) gives U.S. infrastructure a C- rating

ASCE's Infrastructure Report Card Gives U.S. 'C-' Grade, Says Investment Gap Trillion, Bold Action Needed

www.asce.org

Meanwhile, China builds high-speed rail, new highways, and modern cities at a rapid pace.

You cite “two of the world’s busiest airports” and cruise ports but that does NOT reflect overall infrastructure quality.

America’s train system is decades behind Europe and China. Many American cities lack proper public transportation, forcing car dependency.

China’s cities are modernizing while American cities like Detroit and Baltimore are falling apart. Having a busy airport means nothing if the roads and bridges leading to it are collapsing.

America's wealth is an illusion and ticking time bomb. U.S. Economic Strength is Built on Debt. The U.S. national debt is over $34 trillion, it keeps borrowing to fund its military while neglecting domestic needs.

That's another major difference between the US and China. China’s economy is built on tangible productivity; America relies on financial speculation and debt.