China destroys domes of famous mosques as cultural whitewash continues

[Omar del Sur]

Trust me source?

Well it's official the khutbas have to align with Chinese social values and which is Marxism.As for your other point with specific rules that applies to every country in the world and it's reasonable

Which is Marxism? It's not that simple.

There's Xi Jinping Thought, Mao, etc. Just saying Marxism doesn't really cover it.

And Marxism in what way? It's wanted that they preach fighting for the oppressed? Abolition of private property?

China is a counter to Western hegemony and plays a big role in why Pakistan and Turkey are not basically colonies of the West.

 

[Omar del Sur]

So what practically should Turkey and Pakistan do? They should cut themselves off from China and become colonies of the West?

 

[0117]

Which is Marxism? It's not that simple.

There's Xi Jinping Thought, Mao, etc. Just saying Marxism doesn't really cover it.

And Marxism in what way? It's wanted that they preach fighting for the oppressed? Abolition of private property?

China is a counter to Western hegemony and plays a big role in why Pakistan and Turkey are not basically colonies of the West.

*Chinese socialist thought (not marxism)

This isn't compatible with Islam and the implications of this is a CCP version of Islam which the state dictates which ayaats/hadiths can be discussed and interpreted to fit their ideology.

Why bring western hegemony into an argument about China oppressing and changing how Islam is taught?

 

[0117]

So what practically should Turkey and Pakistan do? They should cut themselves off from China and become colonies of the West?

What do you expect them to do?
They'll continue to trade and co operate but you can't just use this to turn a blind eye to how Muslims are being oppressed there.

 

[Omar del Sur]

What do you expect them to do?
They'll continue to trade and co operate but you can't just use this to turn a blind eye to how Muslims are being oppressed there.

What are the strategic implications of inciting Muslims against China?

Let's forget about morals, idealism, etc.- just momentarily.

Purely in strategic terms- inciting Muslims against China would put Muslims in a strategically weaker position to resist Western imperialism.

If Muslims, for instance, did a China boycott and went after China like France what would happen?

So we all gang up on Imran Khan and Erdogan over their ties to China?

And then what?

Either

A- Erdogan and Imran Khan cease working with China. Pakistan and Turkey basically become Western colonies.

B- Erdogan and Imran Khan get overthrown and replaced with pro-Western leaders. Pakistan and Turkey basically become Western colonies.

I am not an idiot. We should be pious but we shouldn't be naïve. An anti-China campaign would serve Western neocolonial interests.

Western imperialism is the way bigger problem. Don't get me wrong- once a multipolar world is established and once Western imperialism is defeated and is out of the way- insha'Allah that is when an anti-China campaign starts if necessary.

In the meantime, it would be a gigantic strategic blunder for Muslims to seriously wage an anti-China campaign. We should be moral, pious, decent people. But this is also a chess game. There is halal, haraam, etc. in fiqh. But a chess game has its own rules as well. There are actions that go against how to properly conduct the campaign, there are moves that shouldn't be made. I am well aware that China isn't perfect. But an anti-China campaign like the current anti-France campaign would be a strategic blunder for Muslims.

Western imperialism is at war against Muslims and the Islamic way of life. Western imperialism is a way bigger problem than China. There can be an order in which one has to wage the campaigns. If you don't understand strategy, you might not understand these things. Taking down China would be taking down the number one bulwark against Western hegemony. Muslims would basically be left at the mercy of Western imperialists- and not only at the mercy of imperialism but at the mercy of radicalized Westerners who have adopted neo-nazi white supremacist ideology. I don't care how much people have been influenced the Western narrative. My position is that the first campaign should be against Western imperialism and then a later campaign may be against China once Western imperialism is out of the way. But the bigger threat should be dealt with first.

EDIT: My message to anyone reading is to watch this if they haven't watched it already


if you want to understand why I am not willing to budge on my viewpoint, watch that video^

 

[BlackJack]

From the standpoint purely of moving in an Islamic direction

which countries have been doing better?

Turkey
Pakistan

or

Sudan
Saudi

I would rather that Muslim leaders get along with Xi Jinping than that they are signing deals to normalize ties with Israel.

I’d rather normalize ties with Israel instead of getting along with a dictator that is actively murdering Muslims.

 

[Omar del Sur]

I’d rather normalize ties with Israel instead of getting along with a dictator that is actively murdering Muslims.

 

[BlackJack]

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Stop quoting me with Memes you Chinese bot.

 

[0117]

What are the strategic implications of inciting Muslims against China?

Let's forget about morals, idealism, etc.- just momentarily.

Purely in strategic terms- inciting Muslims against China would put Muslims in a strategically weaker position to resist Western imperialism.

If Muslims, for instance, did a China boycott and went after China like France what would happen?

So we all gang up on Imran Khan and Erdogan over their ties to China?

And then what?

Either

A- Erdogan and Imran Khan cease working with China. Pakistan and Turkey basically become Western colonies.

B- Erdogan and Imran Khan get overthrown and replaced with pro-Western leaders. Pakistan and Turkey basically become Western colonies.

I am not an idiot. We should be pious but we shouldn't be naïve. An anti-China campaign would serve Western neocolonial interests.

Western imperialism is the way bigger problem. Don't get me wrong- once a multipolar world is established and once Western imperialism is defeated and is out of the way- insha'Allah that is when an anti-China campaign starts if necessary.

In the meantime, it would be a gigantic strategic blunder for Muslims to seriously wage an anti-China campaign. We should be moral, pious, decent people. But this is also a chess game. There is halal, haraam, etc. in fiqh. But a chess game has its own rules as well. There are actions that go against how to properly conduct the campaign, there are moves that shouldn't be made. I am well aware that China isn't perfect. But an anti-China campaign like the current anti-France campaign would be a strategic blunder for Muslims.

Western imperialism is at war against Muslims and the Islamic way of life. Western imperialism is a way bigger problem than China. There can be an order in which one has to wage the campaigns. If you don't understand strategy, you might not understand these things. Taking down China would be taking down the number one bulwark against Western hegemony. Muslims would basically be left at the mercy of Western imperialists- and not only at the mercy of imperialism but at the mercy of radicalized Westerners who have adopted neo-nazi white supremacist ideology. I don't care how much people have been influenced bythe Western narrative. My position is that the first campaign should be against Western imperialism and then a later campaign may be against China once Western imperialism is out of the way. But the bigger threat should be dealt with first.

EDIT: My message to anyone reading is to watch this if they haven't watched it already


if you want to understand why I am not willing to budge on my viewpoint, watch that video^

You missed my point bro. Everything you said about western imperialism being a bigger issue then China is factually true.Despite this, YOU can't deny the oppression China is doing to Muslims across the country as fake and not true!

Accept the idea that a stronger China would mean a weaker western hegemony which is better for the Muslims across the world AND accept that within China Muslims are being marginalised and oppressed.

 

[Omar del Sur]

A thousand people can tell me I am wrong and that I need to strive in the way of Mike Pompeo and join in on a US-backed anti-China campaign that is designed to defend Western hegemony..... but I absolutely do not care. If people are in favor of the Saudi-Sudan route, so be it. I am in favor of the Turkey-Pakistan route and I think those are better models. They are getting results.

Ten thousand people can tell me whatever.

"As China grows more powerful, some U.S. politicians are labeling China in ever more negative ways in hopes of undermining its international reputation and legitimacy. This is to guard the U.S. against any potential or existing challenges to its hegemony."

U.S. identity politics and the anti-China campaign

As the world's sole superpower launches baseless attacks, international stability is the collateral damage, and all nations are paying a price.

news.cgtn.com

I am not an idiot. Furthermore, the reaction against me only shows that I've struck a sensitive point.






"The Trump Administration's Air Strikes in Somalia Are On the Rise Again—and Civilians Are Paying the Price"

The Trump Administration's Air Strikes in Somalia Are On the Rise Again—and Civilians Are Paying the Price

"Civilians are still dying." In the midst of the pandemic U.S. air strikes in Somalia are exacting a deadly toll. To what end?

time.com

US admits killing civilians during air attacks in Somalia

US admits killing civilians during air attacks in Somalia

Assessment report by United States Africa Command confirms two civilians were killed and three injured in 2019.

www.aljazeera.com

The US bombs and kills people in Somalia and people want to wage a campaign that directly defends US imperialist interests? It seems like a strange move to me. People are free to think what they want but I think differently.

Pound for pound- how many Somalis has the US killed and how many has China killed? Which side is pushing lgbt, feminism and garbage like Cuties on African countries?

But people want to serve as attack dogs for the US.

"As long as the white man sent you to Korea, you bled. He sent you to Germany, you bled. He sent you to the South Pacific to fight the Japanese, you bled. You bleed for white people, but when it comes to seeing your own churches being bombed and little black girls murdered, you haven't got any blood. You bleed when the white man says bleed; you bite when the white man says bite; and you bark when the white man says bark. I hate to say this about us, but it's true. How are you going to be nonviolent in Mississippi and Alabama, when your churches are being bombed, and your little girls are being murdered, and at the same time you are going to get violent with Hitler, and Tojo, and somebody else you don't even know?"

-Malcolm X, Message to the Grassroots

I mean if you want to defend the interests of the side that is bombing and killing Somalis, that bombed and invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, that caused chaos in Libya.... I mean.... you realize that Somalia is a target, right?


myself, I know which side I'm on