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Shimbiris

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I'm a bit interested to see how many of us on this forum who've had their genome sequenced have the East-African and Arabian variants of Lactase Persistence that tend to be found among Somalis and other Horners so, if you're comfortable, please share your results by checking your raw data. Basically, there are three Lactase Persistence evolutions among Humans that allow some of us to keep drinking milk into adulthood without digestive issues:

1. East African variants


  • SNP: rs145946881
  • Gene region: MCM6 (upstream of LCT)
  • Derived (lactase-persistent) allele: C
  • Common in: Horners like Somali, Oromo, Afar, Amharas, Tigrinya, Bejas and other Cushitic and Ethiosemitic-speaking groups


  • SNP: rs41525747 (−13907 G)
  • Derived allele: G
  • Common in: Sudanese and Ethiopian groups (e.g., Beja, some Afar and Oromo).

  • SNP: rs869051967 (−14009 G)
  • Derived allele: G
  • Common in: Beja and neighboring Northeast African populations; sometimes co-occurs with the −14010 C allele.

These three are mostly "proposed" and not iron-clad:

  • SNP: rs41456145 (−13913 C)
  • Derived allele: C
  • Common in: Low-frequency variant in some Ethiopian groups; functional evidence modest but associated with higher LCT expression.

  • SNP: rs4988233 (−14011 T)
  • Derived allele: T
  • Common in: Low frequency in parts of East Africa; evidence limited.

  • SNP: rs527991977 (−13779 C)
    Derived allele: C
    Common in: Detected sporadically in East African datasets; functional support limited.

2. Arabian variant


  • SNP: rs41380347
  • Derived allele: A
  • Common in: Arabian Peninsula (e.g., Yemen, Oman, Saudi Arabia) and Horn/Sudanese populations

3. European variant


  • SNP: rs4988235
  • Derived allele: A
  • Common in: Europeans, some North Africans, South Asians

It seems the East-African, Arabian and European routes all evolved separately. Outside of these genetic routes Humans either developed some sort of microbiome adaption like what has been argued for some East-Asians like Mongols and even perhaps the recent Japanese (see here) or a lot of milk-drinking cultures, contrary to popular belief, just didn't really drink much straight milk. In a lot of cases they'd make yoghurt drinks, yoghurt, cheeses and the like which basically ferments out most if not sometimes all of the Lactose (see here and here) which makes it more comfortably consumable for non-lactase persistent people. This is why, for example, Mediterranean Europeans and more northerly MENAs tend to have a more prolific cheese and yoghurt making culture than Northern Europeans, Arabians and Coastal Cushites like Somalis; our ancestors had much less of a need to bother with fermenting dairy products.

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All you need to do is copy each SNP like "rs41525747" and just CTRL+F through your .txt file/raw data file and see if you have the derived alleles.

I'll go first:

I am fully derived (G) for the second SNP among East-African variants (rs41525747):

rs41525747 2 136608643 GG

The other SNPs sadly don't pop up in my 23andme raw data (weren't sampled) except for the second among the proposed SNPs (rs4988233) where I'm not derived (T) at all:

rs4988233 2 136608747 GG

But I am also fully derived for the Arabian variant:

rs41380347 2 136608651 AA

And I'm obviously not derived at all for the European variant but some of you feel free to check that one as well. Maybe your awoowe or ayeeyo got busy with some Taliyaani or Brit (unlikely as this would probably show up in your autosomal DNA results as such contact with these groups is fairly recent) or you more likely got it via admixture from reer Gibil-Cad who may have the European variant via Iranic and Central Asian roots. An Iranian-Kuwaiti friend of mine is fully derived for the European variant so it's possible via the Gibil-Cad route, in my humble opinion.

In my case, those results I do have mean I pretty much have the genetics for highly likely lactase persistence into adulthood. Meaning I should be able to still digest milk comfortably throughout my adult life via both the Cushitic and Semitic routes. And this holds true. Don't struggle with milk and dairy products at all. Can chug well over a liter in in less than a minute with no issues.
 
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Shimbiris

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how common is this with other horners? also is one gene enough to stay persistent?:cosbyhmm:

As far as I know, yes. And nice! You're just like me. Both the same rs41525747 East-African SNP and the Arabian SNP are fully derived in our cases. @Garaad Awal is apparently also a carrier of the Arabian variant's derived alleles from what I've seen him say elsewhere.

I mean it was clear from our Y-DNA T-L208 (@NidarNidar) and even the recent HV1b1 lineage Garaad Awal pointed out and the autosomal models using G25 and formal stats but I think it's pretty undeniable now that Somalis--whether it's 5% or 10-15%-- definitely carry Arabian ancestry. No other way we're carrying those derived alleles as they originated in West-Asia sometime around 2000-3000 BCE (during the Bronze-Age) and were mediated to us seemingly via Semites/Arabians.
 
rs41525747 GG
rs4988233 GG (somehow? I carry as little Arabian/Zagrosian as any Somali ever)
rs41380347 AA (naturally)

Probably better to take screenshots from 23andMe site in name of veracity.

I've been meaning to ask Somalis to do the same, as studies have us overwhelmingly lactase non-persistent.
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From my access to 20 or so Somali 23andMe files (with consent), the chances of me just stumbling on 20 random files with LP genes at 95% (all but 1, who carried only one i.e. CG) is near zero. 1 over a number in the billions if we are to take these values at face value, especially SO2 LOL.

Please, let's make an archive of sorts @Shimbiris so as to address the travesty that is this picture.
 

Shimbiris

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rs41525747 GG
rs4988233 GG (somehow? I carry as little Arabian/Zagrosian as any Somali ever)
rs41380347 AA (naturally)

Probably better to take screenshots from 23andMe site in name of veracity.

I've been meaning to ask Somalis to do the same, as studies have us overwhelmingly lactase non-persistent.
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From my access to 20 or so Somali 23andMe files (with consent), the chances of me just stumbling on 20 random files with LP genes at 95% (all but 1, who carried only one i.e. CG) is near zero. 1 over a number in the billions if we are to take these values at face value, especially SO2 LOL.

Please, let's make an archive of sorts @Shimbiris so as to address the travesty that is this picture.

Yep! I've been thinking the same. @reer I, like Xareen, noticed the same with studies claiming we're low on Lactase Persistence yet myself and the 9 other Somalis I have left from my old archive from almost a decade ago all prove Lactase Persistent:

Sample 1: Fully derived for the same SNPs as me
Sample 2: Fully derived for the same SNPs as me
Sample 3: Fully derived for the same EA SNP as me and half derived (AC) for the Arabian SNP
Sample 4: Fully derived for the same SNPs as me
Sample 5: Fully derived for the same SNPs as me
Sample 6: Fully derived for the same SNPs as me
Sample 7: Fully derived for the same SNPs as me
Sample 8: Fully derived for the same SNPs as me
Sample 9: Fully derived for the same SNPs as me

I'll check them for the other SNPs as well another time but just off those two SNPs: between you, me, Garaad Awal, reer and them we have 100% Lactase Persistence and basically 100% carriers of the Arabian variant. Only one sample is AC at the Arabian SNP and even he basically carries (just not being AA like everyone else). If we are actually low on lactase persistence, this is statistically impossible. You me, reer and Garaad Awal + these nine simply can't all be Lactase Persistent, especially as basically a random and unrelated sampling of the Somali population.

I'll definitely keep a record of everyone on here who shares their results and once we hit n=100 or 100+ we'll know the true Somali numbers and I'll post about it and maybe forward it to some researchers. Also, as a side note, if your basal MENA:SSA scores are within the norm and you have no known recent outside admixture you probably have just as much Arabian ancestry as anyone else as I once explained elsewhere. Don't be fooled by G25's goofy "variance" it shows for Horners for this ancestry.
 
I'll definitely keep a record of everyone on here who shares their results and once we hit n=100 or 100+ we'll know the true Somali numbers and I'll post about it and maybe forward it to some researchers. Also, as a side note, if your basal MENA:SSA scores are within the norm and you have no known recent outside admixture you probably have just as much Arabian ancestry as anyone else as I once explained elsewhere. Don't be fooled by G25's goofy "variance" it shows for Horners for this ancestry.
Dude can you let me keep my pristine Bronze Age Wawatian LARP going uninterrupted please

just kidding yeah, I know, but with yourself and Garaad, you have recent Arabian admixture so I didn't expect I'd carry it too idk.
 

Garaad Awal

Former African
As far as I know, yes. And nice! You're just like me. Both the same rs41525747 East-African SNP and the Arabian SNP are fully derived in our cases. @Garaad Awal is apparently also a carrier of the Arabian variant's derived alleles from what I've seen him say elsewhere.

I mean it was clear from our Y-DNA T-L208 (@NidarNidar) and even the recent HV1b1 lineage Garaad Awal pointed out and the autosomal models using G25 and formal stats but I think it's pretty undeniable now that Somalis--whether it's 5% or 10-15%-- definitely carry Arabian ancestry. No other way we're carrying those derived alleles as they originated in West-Asia sometime around 2000-3000 BCE (during the Bronze-Age) and were mediated to us seemingly via Semites/Arabians.
E-M84 (found in an Isaaq individual & Raxanweyn), J-P58 found among the Gabooye clans. There are probably more Arabian maternal lineages among us as well. I still disagree with you on your theory of Arabian ancestry spreading to us via South Ethio-Semites unless you changed your POV. The Arabian uniparentals of Somalis isn’t shared with the Highlanders
 

reer

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Yep! I've been thinking the same. @reer I, like Xareen, noticed the same with studies claiming we're low on Lactase Persistence yet myself and the 9 other Somalis I have left from my old archive from almost a decade ago all prove Lactase Persistent:

Sample 1: Fully derived for the same SNPs as me
Sample 2: Fully derived for the same SNPs as me
Sample 3: Fully derived for the same EA SNP as me and half derived (AC) for the Arabian SNP
Sample 4: Fully derived for the same SNPs as me
Sample 5: Fully derived for the same SNPs as me
Sample 6: Fully derived for the same SNPs as me
Sample 7: Fully derived for the same SNPs as me
Sample 8: Fully derived for the same SNPs as me
Sample 9: Fully derived for the same SNPs as me

I'll check them for the other SNPs as well another time but just off those two SNPs: between you, me, Garaad Awal, reer and them we have 100% Lactase Persistence and basically 100% carriers of the Arabian variant. Only one sample is AC at the Arabian SNP and even he basically carries (just not being AA like everyone else). If we are actually low on lactase persistence, this is statistically impossible. You me, reer and Garaad Awal + these nine simply can't all be Lactase Persistent, especially as basically a random and unrelated sampling of the Somali population.

I'll definitely keep a record of everyone on here who shares their results and once we hit n=100 or 100+ we'll know the true Somali numbers and I'll post about it and maybe forward it to some researchers. Also, as a side note, if your basal MENA:SSA scores are within the norm and you have no known recent outside admixture you probably have just as much Arabian ancestry as anyone else as I once explained elsewhere. Don't be fooled by G25's goofy "variance" it shows for Horners for this ancestry.
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Garaad Awal

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Dude can you let me keep my pristine Bronze Age Wawatian LARP going uninterrupted please

just kidding yeah, I know, but with yourself and Garaad, you have recent Arabian admixture so I didn't expect I'd carry it too idk.
I only have a great great grandmother that is Yemeni from my mother side.Have both alleles which means I inherited from my purely Horner father as well
 

Shimbiris

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Dude can you let me keep my pristine Bronze Age Wawatian LARP going uninterrupted please

just kidding yeah, I know, but with yourself and Garaad, you have recent Arabian admixture so I didn't expect I'd carry it too idk.

I don't have any recent Arabian admixture at all in my family unlike our Garaad. My father is a Dishiishe whose mother was a Warsangali whose own mother was of the Habar Yoonis. My paternal grandfather's mother was also Warsangali and my paternal great grandfather's mother was a Reer Khalaf Majeerteen. My mother in turn is paternally Majeerteen (Reer Khalaf) on both sides with her maternal lines being Gedo-region Mareexaan (forgot the sub) and Raxanweyn (Maalin Weyn & the source of my mtDNA N1a1a3) respectively. Not one lick of anything non-Somali in me within the known family history unless you wanna count the Rx since my Maalin Weyn ancestors were actually Af-Maay speakers. My mother even speaks Af-Maay as does her own mother. But that's like being 1/8th Portuguese as a Spaniard. Hardly a really different ethnic group and obviously not Arabian.

At best I show a slight affinity toward Highlanders in some models I've run but that's about it.


Spoiler tag, waryaa. Serious thread!

E-M84 (found in an Isaaq individual & Raxanweyn), J-P58 found among the Gabooye clans. There are probably more Arabian maternal lineages among us as well. I still disagree with you on your theory of Arabian ancestry spreading to us via South Ethio-Semites unless you changed your POV. The Arabian uniparentals of Somalis isn’t shared with the Highlanders

I am agnostic on this. I am coming around more to folks like you, though. I find it more plausible too that we got our 5-15% Arabian from actual Arabians than being basically ~50% Highlander but I don't fully rule that out for various reasons like there being some archaeological evidence of elements coming in from the highlands into our lands; how similar our Arabian looks to theirs; and how models where you use Habeshas or Highlanders in general alongside Arabians have us favoring them as the source. But, as you say, it's hard to fathom that we have all these Arabian lineages and basically zero sign of real Arabian autosomal ancestry that isn't intra-Horn mediated.

And us being basically 50% Habeshaoids is just a bit hard to accept intuitively, won't lie. I think it's completely plausible that we got our Arabian ancestry separately from our highland cousins and the reason the ancestry looks similar is maybe just because most Yemenis back then looked fairly similar to modern Northwestern Yemenis.

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Kekkeke, I thought you'd shared your result. My bad for skimming. But still: Me, 9 samples, Garaad Awal and Xareen is 12 random Somalis all proving lactase persistent. Hard to fathom and statistically nearly impossible if our ethnic group isn't commonly lactase persistent. My samples were a little diverse too. Couple of Hawiyes, some Isaaqs and even some Hartis from what I at least recall.
 
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NidarNidar

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I'm a bit interested to see how many of us on this forum who've had their genome sequenced have the East-African and Arabian variants of Lactase Persistence that tend to be found among Somalis and other Horners so, if you're comfortable, please share your results by checking your raw data. Basically, there are three Lactase Persistence evolutions among Humans that allow some of us to keep drinking milk into adulthood without digestive issues:

1. East African variants


  • SNP: rs145946881
  • Gene region: MCM6 (upstream of LCT)
  • Derived (lactase-persistent) allele: C
  • Common in: Horners like Somali, Oromo, Afar, Amharas, Tigrinya, Bejas and other Cushitic and Ethiosemitic-speaking groups


  • SNP: rs41525747 (−13907 G)
  • Derived allele: G
  • Common in: Sudanese and Ethiopian groups (e.g., Beja, some Afar and Oromo).

  • SNP: rs869051967 (−14009 G)
  • Derived allele: G
  • Common in: Beja and neighboring Northeast African populations; sometimes co-occurs with the −14010 C allele.

These three are mostly "proposed" and not iron-clad:

  • SNP: rs41456145 (−13913 C)
  • Derived allele: C
  • Common in: Low-frequency variant in some Ethiopian groups; functional evidence modest but associated with higher LCT expression.

  • SNP: rs4988233 (−14011 T)
  • Derived allele: T
  • Common in: Low frequency in parts of East Africa; evidence limited.

  • SNP: rs527991977 (−13779 C)
    Derived allele: C
    Common in: Detected sporadically in East African datasets; functional support limited.

2. Arabian variant


  • SNP: rs41380347
  • Derived allele: A
  • Common in: Arabian Peninsula (e.g., Yemen, Oman, Saudi Arabia) and Horn/Sudanese populations

3. European variant


  • SNP: rs4988235
  • Derived allele: A
  • Common in: Europeans, some North Africans, South Asians

It seems the East-African, Arabian and European routes all evolved separately. Outside of these genetic routes Humans either developed some sort of microbiome adaption like what has been argued for some East-Asians like Mongols and even perhaps the recent Japanese (see here) or a lot of milk-drinking cultures, contrary to popular belief, just didn't really drink much straight milk. In a lot of cases they'd make yoghurt drinks, yoghurt, cheeses and the like which basically ferments out most if not sometimes all of the Lactose (see here and here) which makes it more comfortably consumable for non-lactase persistent people. This is why, for example, Mediterranean Europeans and more northerly MENAs tend to have a more prolific cheese and yoghurt making culture than Northern Europeans, Arabians and Coastal Cushites like Somalis; our ancestors had much less of a need to bother with fermenting dairy products.

-------------

All you need to do is copy each SNP like "rs41525747" and just CTRL+F through your .txt file/raw data file and see if you have the derived alleles.

I'll go first:

I am fully derived (G) for the second SNP among East-African variants (rs41525747):

rs41525747 2 136608643 GG

The other SNPs sadly don't pop up in my 23andme raw data (weren't sampled) except for the second among the proposed SNPs (rs4988233) where I'm not derived (T) at all:

rs4988233 2 136608747 GG

But I am also fully derived for the Arabian variant:

rs41380347 2 136608651 AA

And I'm obviously not derived at all for the European variant but some of you feel free to check that one as well. Maybe your awoowe or ayeeyo got busy with some Taliyaani or Brit (unlikely as this would probably show up in your autosomal DNA results as such contact with these groups is fairly recent) or you more likely got it via admixture from reer Gibil-Cad who may have the European variant via Iranic and Central Asian roots. An Iranian-Kuwaiti friend of mine is fully derived for the European variant so it's possible via the Gibil-Cad route, in my humble opinion.

In my case, those results I do have mean I pretty much have the genetics for highly likely lactase persistence into adulthood. Meaning I should be able to still digest milk comfortably throughout my adult life via both the Cushitic and Semitic routes. And this holds true. Don't struggle with milk and dairy products at all. Can chug well over a liter in in less than a minute with no issues.

Arabian
Say rs41380347 2 136608651 AA = TT, still can drink milk no problem.

Horn

rs41525747 2 136608643 CG = this is the money maker.

rs41456145 2 136608649 AA

rs4988233 2 136608747 GG

rs527991977 2 136608515 CC

European
rs4988235 2 136608646 GG

edit: Had a space after on notepad search, fixed it and found the other results.
 
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Shimbiris

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Dude can you let me keep my pristine Bronze Age Wawatian LARP going uninterrupted please

just kidding yeah, I know, but with yourself and Garaad, you have recent Arabian admixture so I didn't expect I'd carry it too idk.

To be honest, I think the only reason our Bronze-Age and prehistoric Nubian ancestors didn't have "Arabian" admixture like Post-Iron-Age Horners and Post-Medieval North-Sudanis do is simply because Arabians were mostly not a thing back then. The Semites had yet to expand down into the Hejaz and Yemen en masse after the Bronze-Age collapse. Before that Arabia seems like it didn't have much of a population and was even receiving Cushitic migrants more than anything by the looks of it.

But once the "Semitic explosion" happened and Semites began expanding far and wide--into Egypt, into the Mediterranean, into Arabia and so forth-- they effectively became part of the MENA ancestry package of Northeast Africa. Before that it looks like the mingling was mainly between Egyptian and probably legit NS speaking Dinka-like folks with some Mota-related mixing once some of our ancestors got to the Horn.

It's funny that, in their own way, North-Sudanis today are made up of mostly the same base components as us:

  • Egyptians
  • NS-related
  • Arabian

They're just missing the Mota stuff and some of them like some Bejas even have that. Then their NS-related ancestry carries with it West-African roots ours lacks. But otherwise Sudan has always been a crossroads between the Middle-East, the Sahara and Sub-Saharan Africa and that shows in the genetic makeup of us and modern North-Sudanis. We are "Sahelians" in the truest sense. I'm just surprised Semites and Arabians mostly took until the Middle-Ages to start directly influencing Sudan given that they came to Horn by the Iron-Age. They were, however, indirectly influencing Sudan and Nubia via Egypt. That Hyksos type admixture definitely made it south in Nubia.

Im not trying to read all of this but all I know is that I love milk!!!
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