Century of humiliation

[Jaffar]

Yeah I know. Itactually remarkable that we were able to rebuild a nation twice from scratch. Second time was after the US and Ethiopia overthrew the ICU government. Im just frustrated by the slow progression when we all know we are capable of much faster state building and development but held back by rampant corruption and political division based of qabyaalad.

if the usa and the Ethiopian didn’t intervene we wouldn’t even have an sfg or a goverment to begin with with back in 2007

 

[Jaffar]

It's BS and you know this. Nobody forced Caydiid and Cali Mahdi to act like animals after for years after Siad left.
Siad left in 1992.
If you are honest you can't blame anything that happened after 1992 on Siad, even if you think he is indirectly responsible it's still dumb to put the majority of the blame on him and not on the people who pretty much physically destroyed our country. They had every opportunity to take power and fix things , they chose clan fighting instead

Siad barre created the seeds for this friction he bombed the isaaq that they would never look back to Somalia he made sure he divided the hg and abgaal in order to remain in control, so that they wouldn’t sea their strength . He centralized power so much to xamar that mj and ssdf today want confederal country . I think it all started with Mohammed Siyad barre but he is not the only one to blame the clans are also to blame. His clan followed him to retake xamar. From gedo they tried to regroup . Als the habargridr and abgaal clans are collectively all to blame not just cali mahdi and caydiid the two subclans joined ranks not a single person stand up and said guys we are all hawiye cali mahdi u lead caydid u be. The vice president 5 years later they could say caydid u be the president and cali Mahdi be the vp I don’t usually blame clans for the wars and issues . But for the first time I will abgaal and habargrdir collectively are to blame for the afar bilood war cause they supported the two factions. As if it was Tottenham vs Chelsea and they acted as hooligans with guns and machetes

 

[Jaffar]

Siad barre created the seeds for this friction he bombed the isaaq making sure that they would never look back to Somalia for decades. he made sure he divided the hg and abgaal in order to remain in control, so that they wouldn’t sea their strength . He centralized power so much to xamar that mj and ssdf today want confederal country . I think it all started with Mohammed Siyad barre but he is not the only one to blame the clans are also to blame. His clan followed him to retake xamar. From gedo they tried to regroup . Als the habargridr and abgaal clans are collectively all to blame not just cali mahdi and caydiid the two subclans joined ranks not a single person stand up and said guys we are all hawiye cali mahdi u lead caydid u be. The vice president 5 years later they could say caydid u be the president and cali Mahdi be the vp I don’t usually blame clans for the wars and issues . But for the first time I will abgaal and habargrdir collectively are to blame for the afar bilood war cause they supported the two factions. As if it was Tottenham vs Chelsea and they acted as hooligans with guns and machetes

 

[moosaid]

Even Syria is starting to recover. My Syrian friend who returned to Syria told me that for the first time, their electricity and water were not cut off.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Blame this subhumanView attachment 378066

 

[Zak12]

Somalia has also recovered and has made significant progress for the past decade. Mogadishu is very much a growing city that is now safe and other towns like Garowe, Bosaso, Hargeisa, Borama and more are the same.

You guys got to remember that Somalia basically had to start from scratch in 2011/2012 since that was when FGS came to existence.

 

[cunug3aad]

if the usa and the Ethiopian didn’t intervene we wouldn’t even have an sfg or a goverment to begin with with back in 2007

They are the reason why we didnt have the proper government then
We could have had a moderate effective sharci state but now we have whatever this nonsense is

 

[Jaffar]

They are the reason why we didnt have the proper government then
We could have had a moderate effective sharci state but now we have whatever this nonsense is

how are they the reason please explain what did Ethiopia do

Ethiopia actually saved the country to be in the hands of the jihadist

 

[cunug3aad]

how are they the reason please explain what did Ethiopia do

Ethiopia actually saved the country to be in the hands of the jihadist

Before 2006 koonfuur was in warlord anarchy for 15 years and then the icu came in kicked out warlords and brought nabad and sharci to xamar

They were not "radical jihadi" like isis they were an actual good islamic group they may have been unprofessional but they just got into power and need a little bit of time to fix the governance. However they did not get that time sinse ethiopia invaded somalia the literal next month under usa direction as part of the war on terror

The only reason people feel neutral and not that sympathetic to the icu is because they were being fed proboganda from their qabiiliste news sources Like i saw a somnet thread where a somali news site accused maxaakim of flogging a menstruating woman for not fasting in ramadan. But it turned out she was flogged for trafficking canabis drug as reported by bbc

I maintain that the invasion and icu collapse is amongst the biggest tragedies to befall the somali people. Because all the groups splintered as a result of the invasion the alshabaab extremists were left to roam freely and they decided to start blowing up themselves. So the ethiopian invasion actually created the jihadists

 

[Aurelian]

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there corrpution is insane, maybe because they export oil. The amount of money that goes into corruption is wild. for example from 2020 onward they lost ~30 billion dollars annually, that is the GDP of entire nation

 

[Jaffar]

how can people in here say sheikh daahir aweys sheikh indho cadde , and xassan turki are moderates hahaha

 

[Afar indhood]

Siad Barre destroyed the bond of Somalinimo for the 21 year duration of his oppressive rule. He's immediately responsible for everything that has been going on in this nation since. He betrayed the nation for his clan. Now, we can't fix anything because we can't trust each other and we don't have any sense of Somalinimo - because he destroyed it eyga eyga dhalay.

 

[Zak12]

how can people in here say sheikh daahir aweys sheikh indho cadde , and xassan turki are moderates hahaha

Most of the ICU were made up of moderates including its head leader. The most damning evidence for that was when Sheikh Sharif Ahmed joined the TFG and became its president.

Now why would America allow many members including the leader of a supposed terrorist group to join the newly founded Somali government? You gotta stop drinking the Bush and Zenawi propaganda.

 

[Jaffar]

Most of the ICU were made up of moderates including its head leader. The most damning evidence for that was when Sheikh Sharif Ahmed joined the TFG and became its president.

Now why would America allow many members including the leader of a supposed terrorist group to join the newly founded Somali government? You gotta stop drinking the Bush and Zenawi propaganda.

sharif ahmed 2007 and sharif ahmed 2009, are just two different people he totally changed his ideology

 

[caano_shaah]

This is why the people love Farmaajo

 

[Jaale Ugaas]

Blame this subhumanView attachment 378066

But not your terrorist uncle. Ciil uh dhimo AUN Jaale Maxamed Siyaad Barre was the last person to keep you and your ilk in line. When the zookeeper died, there was no one left to tend to the animals.