Cave paintings found in Cabaydh, Ceerigaabo district, Sanaag

[random12345]

From what I've read, the group mentioned is a pre-Hawiye group that is part of Digil. Hawiye don't live in Lower Shabelle.

All Hawiye are from Mudug, anywhere else they only came recently(less than 200 years ago).

Merca region was said to be their capital.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Merca region was said to be their capital.

All anthropologists agree that it's not the modern day Hawiye who originally come from Mudug that was mentioned, rather its a group who are part of Digil/Raxanweyne.

 

[random12345]

All anthropologists agree that it's not the modern day Hawiye who originally from Mudug that was mentioned, rather its a group who are part of Digil/Raxanweyne.

Yet "hawiya" was said specifically?

 

[DrippinglyWet]

From what I've read, the group mentioned is a pre-Hawiye group that is part of Digil. Hawiye don't live in Lower Shabelle.

All Hawiye are from Mudug, anywhere else they only came recently(less than 200 years ago).

If where talking chronoligcly Ahmed "Hawiye" irir came to Somalia with his brother Aji (Dir) and his father Irir, theyre landing region was around the Awdal region to spread islam, the hawiye clan settelde in the north for a while Before expanding to the galbeed and followed the Fertile lands

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Yet "hawiya" was said specifically?

So? It's Digil/Raxanweyne. Hawiye lived in the North and were historically part of Adal. After it collapsed 500 years ago, they moved to the central regions. Even today, the Hawiye live next to Harar in a region called Babile, but they've been assimilated by Oromos.

 

[DrippinglyWet]

So? It's Digil/Raxanweyne. Hawiye lived in the North and were historically part of Adal. After it collapsed 500 years ago, they moved to the central regions.

Sultanate of Mogadishu? Which happend around the 11th it was especially said the rulers where from the hiiraab clan.

 

[random12345]

So? It's Digil/Raxanweyne. Hawiye lived in the North and were historically part of Adal. After it collapsed 500 years ago, they moved to the central regions. Even today, the Hawiye live next to Harar in a region called Babile, but they've been assimilated by Oromos.

Who ever says the raxenweyn is Hawiye? Hawiya was said specifically which is proof enough

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Who ever says the raxenweyn is Hawiye? Hawiya was said specifically which is proof enough

Taking random quotes from 800 years ago and interpreting it how you like is not the way you do things. Anthropologists have stated that there was a pre-Hawiye group that was much larger with more clans. As for the 'Hawiya' living in Lower Shabelle, they're part of Digil/Raxanweyne confederation and are not related to the modern day Hawiye.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Sultanate of Mogadishu? Which happend around the 11th it was especially said the rulers where from the hiiraab clan.

Please bring forth your proof.

 

[Arman]

We wuz the og Hindus. Is it any coincidence Indians are hairy? Just a bunch of white ppl copying us as usual.

 

[random12345]

Taking random quotes from 800 years ago and interpreting it how you like is not the way you do things. Anthropologists have stated that there was a pre-Hawiye group that was much larger with more clans. As for the 'Hawiya' living in Lower Shabelle, they're part of Digil/Raxanweyne confederation and are not related to the modern day Hawiye.

Who's interpreting anything though? When Hawiya is said specifically, how can you claim that it actually meant raxenweyn? Two Arabs said this, one being a cartographer and the other being a geographer.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

That only applies to the Darod tribes that crossed over to Jubaland and NFD.
Hawiye and Rahanweyn have been in the south way longer though. Ibn Battuta
mentions the Hawiye inhabiting the Lower Shabelle area almost 700 years ago.

Hawiye is very old, much older than Darod or Isaaq, and Dir is even older than Hawiye. This is why at the higher levels genealogy abtirsi breaks down among the Hawiye. Hawiye subclans have real abtirsi, but anything above that is subject to political manipulation.
Going by abtirsi, Hawiye is a tiny minority in Hiraan, but politically speaking no one will take you seriously if you said that.

 

[Bohol]

Hawiye is very old, much older than Darod or Isaaq, and Dir is even older than Hawiye. This is why at the higher levels genealogy abtirsi breaks down among the Hawiye. Hawiye subclans have real abtirsi, but anything above that is subject to political manipulation.
Going by abtirsi, Hawiye is a tiny minority in Hiraan, but politically speaking no one will take you seriously if you said that.

True. Hawiye is one of the oldest Somali tribes alongside Dir. It is obvious they have been in the south for longtime compared to
others so we can't say they magically came from the north when there is not much evidence to that.

 

[TheWeekday]

So? It's Digil/Raxanweyne. Hawiye lived in the North and were historically part of Adal. After it collapsed 500 years ago, they moved to the central regions. Even today, the Hawiye live next to Harar in a region called Babile, but they've been assimilated by Oromos.

Stop pulling things out of your ass.Hawiye have nothing to do with Adal.


The only clans mentioned in Futuh were Habar Magaadle(Habar Awal and Garxajis forces combined),Marexaan,Gerri and Dir.The rest of the Somalis including your precious Harti and your Habar Habusheed neighbours(i.e. Habar Jeclo) were not even mentioned.Hawiye have no recorded history of belonging in the North and these myths of tombs of their ancestors residing in SL is nothing more then a recent fabrication

 

[DrippinglyWet]

Please bring forth your proof.

Please bring forth your proof.

Sultante of Mogadishu was ruled by The Yacuub (abgaal) dynasty and Fakr din which have direct patrilleanal with the them.

 

[random12345]

Stop pulling things out of your ass.Hawiye have nothing to do with Adal.


The only clans mentioned in Futuh were Habar Magaadle(Habar Awal and Garxajis forces combined),Marexaan,Gerri and Dir.The rest of the Somalis including your precious Harti and your Habar Habusheed neighbours(i.e. Habar Jeclo) were not even mentioned.Hawiye have no recorded history of belonging in the North and these myths of tombs of their ancestors residing in SL is nothing more then a recent fabrication

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At this moment the companions of the imam screamed out, saying, ‘The infidels have tricked us; they are after the livestock,’ whereupon the imam split his forces into two divisions: one he entrusted to Garad Ahmusa, composed of the Somali spearmen of the Marraihan, the Gorgorah and the Hawiya; around one-thousand of them from among the most famous spearmen. And from the soldiers bearing shields, the same number."

 

[TheWeekday]

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At this moment the companions of the imam screamed out, saying, ‘The infidels have tricked us; they are after the livestock,’ whereupon the imam split his forces into two divisions: one he entrusted to Garad Ahmusa, composed of the Somali spearmen of the Marraihan, the Gorgorah and the Hawiya; around one-thousand of them from among the most famous spearmen. And from the soldiers bearing shields, the same number."

Fake.

I have read the book in Arabic and this was no where to be found.

The source of this fake shit was some Hawiye propaganda site from 2009
https://operationoverload.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/references-to-the-karanle/

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Stop pulling things out of your ass.Hawiye have nothing to do with Adal.


The only clans mentioned in Futuh were Habar Magaadle(Habar Awal and Garxajis forces combined),Marexaan,Gerri and Dir.The rest of the Somalis including your precious Harti and your Habar Habusheed neighbours(i.e. Habar Jeclo) were not even mentioned.Hawiye have no recorded history of belonging in the North and these myths of tombs of their ancestors residing in SL is nothing more then a recent fabrication

All four Koombe subclans (Geri, Harti, Jiraan, Xarla) were in the Fatah. As were the Bartire and Yabarre of the Jidwaq and perhaps the largest Somali contingent, the Marehan.

The Reer Garaad of the Geri Koombe are the direct descendants of the Imaam's family. Garaad Mataan Othman Khalid married the sister of the Imaam. Imaam Nur ibn Mujahid, Ina Nuur Marehan, married the widow of the Imaam. The only Somali clans with documented lineal connections to the Imaan are the Reer Garaad of the Geri and the Ina Nuur of the Marehan.

This old man is the Garaad of the Geri Koombe, the Imaam is probably his 16th great uncle.

 

[TheWeekday]

All four Koombe subclans (Geri, Harti, Jiraan, Xarla) were in the Fatah. As were the Bartire and Yabarre of the Jidwaq and perhaps the largest Somali contingent, the Marehan.

The Reer Garaad of the Geri Koombe are the direct descendants of the Imaam's family. Garaad Mataan Othman Khalid married the sister of the Imaan. Imaam Nur ibn Mujahid, Ina Nuur Marehan, married the widow of the Imaam. The only Somali clans with documented lineal connections to the Imaan are the Reer Garaad of the Geri and the Ina Nuur of the Marehan.

This old man is a the Garaad of the Geri Koombe, the Imaam is probably his 16th great uncle.

Imam aint even Somali let alone some Jeberti.f*ck outta here with your nonsense warya

Imam Axmed ethnic origins were not mentioned once although I do believe he was probably an Ethio-Semite specifically Harla but the Geri's leader was indeed the Imam's closest friend due to his extreme piety and dedication to the cause.Mareexan on the other hand was the Somali clan most despised by the Imam due to their leader with a strange Habesha name who beheaded his messenger.

Do you know what was the Imam's response to this extremely disrespectful act? He asked the puppet sultaan(from the Walashma dynasty) if he can behead this "treacherous Somali"

The nigga's name was Hiraabu Theodoros ben Adam



He did not even like Habar Magaadle due to raiding the trade routes toward the coast which were vital for Adal's income and in turn their survival as a political entity.But after punishing us we were still the first to arrive to join the Imam who praised our skills as bravehearts and warriors as he was extremely pleased to see our 200 horsemen and 2000 footsoldiers

We even have a subclan of SM called Makaahil whose mother was some kind of Abysinnian noble woman that was captured as a concubine during the wars

 

[random12345]

Imam aint even Somali let alone some Jeberti.f*ck outta here with your nonsense warya

Imam Axmed ethnic origins were not mentioned once although I do believe he was probably an Ethio-Semite specifically Harla but the Geri's leader was indeed the Imam's closest friend due to his extreme piety and dedication to the cause.Mareexan on the other hand was the Somali clan most despised by the Imam due to their leader with a strange Habesha name who beheaded his messenger.

Do you know what was the Imam's response to this extremely disrespectful act? He asked the puppet sultaan(from the Walashma dynasty) if he can behead this "treacherous Somali"

The nigga's name was Hiraabu Theodoros ben Adam



He did not even like Habar Magaadle due to raiding the trade routes toward the coast which were vital for Adal's income and in turn their survival as a political entity.But after punishing us we were still the first to arrive to join the Imam who praised our skills as bravehearts and warriors as he was extremely pleased to see our 200 horsemen and 2000 footsoldiers

We even have a subclan of SM called Makaahil whose mother was some kind of Abysinnian noble woman that was captured as a concubine during the wars

Scholars on Ahmed Guray:

(1)Edmond Joseph Keller: Led by the charismatic Somali leader Ahmad Gran (Imam Ahmed Ibn Ibrahim El-Ghazi), a coalition of Muslim invaders consisting mainly of Somali and Afar

(2)Chatterji: A Somali chief of Adel, a Muslim state on the Gulf of Aden, named Ahmed ibn Ibrahim by using the new weapon completely overthrew the Ethiopian kingdom

(3)Beckingham: Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al Ghazi, called 'the left-handed' by the Somali,(gran in Amharic), was a Somali in the service of the ruler of Zeila.

(4)Groves: The leader was a Somali chief, Ahmad ibn Muhammad Gran, Muslim ruler of a border state, who with great energy and resource pressed home the invasion of Abyssinia

(5)Whiteway: He was certainly not an Arab: probably he was a Somali, for we find him closely connected with many who were Somalis.

(6)Langer: Ethiopia was overrun by the Moslem Somali chief, Ahmed Gran, who used firearms

(7) Alexander Bulatovich: "In Portuguese sources he is called King of Adal and Emir of Zeila, and they conjecture that he was Somali" -- from Ethiopia Through Russian Eyes: Country in Transition, 1896-1898

(8) In 1541, when a four-hundred- man Portuguese expedition arrived in Abyssinia, a Somali Moslem leader — Iman Ahmed, known as Gran — was threatening to extinguish the kingdom

(9) Elaine Sanceau: Imam Ahmed, once an obscure Somali warrior from Harar had risen to supremacy among the muslim tribes

(10)Andargachew Tiruneh: Harar, led by Gragn who was probably a Somali, overran the length and breadth of the central and northern Highlands from 1529 to 1543

(11)Saheed A. Adejumobi: Ahmed ibn Ibrahim al Ghazi was a Somali Imam and general who defeated several Ethiopian emperors and wreaked much damage on that nation. He is also known as Ahmad Gran (or Gurey).

(12)M. Th. Houtsma: Shortly afterwards there began the great invasion of the Somali chief, Ahmed b. Muhammed Gran

(13)Ahmed Ibrahim Al Ghazi but more commonly known as Gran, was in fact thé Imam Ahmad and probably a Somali

(14)Walter Yust: Between 1528 and 1540 armies of Mohammedans, under the renowned general Mohammed
Gran (probably a Somali), entered Abyssinia from the low country

(15)The tale he told was that the Abyssinian kingdom had been cut in two by an invasion
by a Somali chief known as Granye the Left-handed.
(16)A new Muslim aggressor, the Somali upstart Ahmed ibn Ibrahim, known as Granye ("Lefty"), had reversed Ethiopia's military successes

(17)Harold Edwin Hurst: Ahmed Gran, who, between 1528 and 1540, overran most of the country. The Portuguese were determined to discover and kill the Somali leader

(18) Ahmad Gran b. Ibrahim, a Somali from Harar who conquered much of Ethiopia for Islam in the sixteenth century

(19) intervention of a small Portuguese force preserved the Christian state from complete destruction by the Islamic forces of the Somali leader Ahmad Gran

(20) Imam Ahmad ibn Ibrahim, a religious leader who was probably Somali

(21) Tensions came to a head when Imam Ahmad ibn Ibrahim, a religious leader who was
probably Somali, was named amir of the eastern Islamic city of Harar

(22)Paulos Milkias, Getachew Metaferia: Somali Ahmad ibn Ibrahim (known in Ethiopia as Gragn Mohammed - the left handed) ran over the highland and devastated churches and shrines in the 1530s during the reign of Libne Dengel