Can You Refute This, Anti-"Wahhabis"?

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  1. Omar del Sur

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    I have a question for the anti-"Wahhabi" crowd.

    Please show me something in Kitab At-Tawheed which goes against Quran and Sunnah.

    I'm sure you're going to have to give some kind of responses but if this thread reaches 100 pages and someone reads all 100 pages, I do not believe they will ever see anyone in this thread showing something in Kitab At-Tawheed which goes against Quran and Sunnah.

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    buy the book here


    if you have the book, I would like to know if you can show me anywhere where the book goes against Quran and Sunnah

    and if you don't have the book, you shouldn't talk about "Wahhabism"

    I post this expecting a bunch of responses which will change the subject and I just do this to show that the anti-"Wahhabi" crowd can't actually refute the challenge

    this is the challenge:

    Please show me something in Kitab At-Tawheed which goes against Quran and Sunnah.
     
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  2. Tukraq

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    following a sect by a man called Wahhab is bidiac, I follow Quran and the prophet not a guy who lived a couple hundred years ago and is a nobody
     
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  3. MuMaMe

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    Who pays your salary
     
  4. Omar del Sur

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    I don't follow a sect by a man with that name either.

    Two questions.

    Have you ever read Kitab At-Tawheed?

    Can you show me something in Kitab At-Tawheed which goes against Quran and Sunnah?
     
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    Two questions.

    Have you ever read Kitab At-Tawheed?

    Can you show me something in Kitab At-Tawheed which goes against Quran and Sunnah?
     
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    Have you not seen those who claim themselves to be pure? Rather, Allah purifies whom He wills, and injustice is not done to them, [even] as much as a thread [inside a date seed].

    -Sura An-Nisa', Ayah 49
     
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    Look how they invent about Allah untruth, and sufficient is that as a manifest sin.

    -Sura An-Nisa', Ayah 50
     
  8. Tukraq

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    well if you don't Wahhabis do
     
  9. Omar del Sur

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    Can you answer the questions?
     
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    prophet left us Quran and sunnah, not kitaab at tawheed, docent matter if it dosent go against, we don't need anything new
     
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    There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.

    -Sura Al-Ahzab, Ayah 21
     
  12. Omar del Sur

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    Maybe the anti-"Wahhabi" crowd would be talented in politics, given their seeming aptitude for dodging questions.

    Anti-"Wahhabi" crowd responding to my questions:

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  13. Omar del Sur

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    Have you ever read Kitab At-Tawheed? Are you discussing a book you've never read?
     
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    Give tidings to the hypocrites that there is for them a painful punishment -

    -Sura An-Nisa', Ayah 138

    Those who take disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do they seek with them honor [through power]? But indeed, honor belongs to Allah entirely.

    -Sura An-Nisa', Ayah 139
     
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    Can you answer the questions?
     
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    It shocks me that people think it's okay to slander a man before doing their research. If you don't know about Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab, you shouldn't discuss him.

    https://islamqa.info/en/answers/228...on-or-about-that-of-which-he-has-no-knowledge

    The basic principle concerning the Muslim’s speech is that it should be truthful and honest; he should not speak on the basis of speculation, or about that of which he has no knowledge


    The Muslim should strive to speak the truth and be honest, and his words should be useful, whether they are about worldly matters or matters of the hereafter.

    He should not speak too much about that which is of no benefit and serves no purpose, and he should avoid speaking on the basis of speculation or speaking of that of which he has no knowledge
     
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    RedStar The Bad Ali of Jigjiga

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    @Omar del Sur don’t bother with these people

    They haven’t read Kitab at Tawheed and they don’t know why they’re against it either. They just love to argue.
     
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    RedStar The Bad Ali of Jigjiga

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    You are so thick it hurts me to read your nonsense
     
  19. Ayubi

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    I hate this “Wahabi” claim too. First let me start of by saying, Wahabi doesn’t exist! It’s not a sect, fiqh or a movement. Nobody calls themselves ”wahabis” and I haven’t seen any Scholar or sheikh use that title. If so please show me the evidence. In reality, Wahabi is a Slogan used by people to demonize you for having a different opinion.

    People should actually read his work rather than listening to propaganda that is often said by Shias and those who engage in bid’ah. This “wahabi” slogan is said by many ignorant Muslims.


    Muhammad ibn Abdul wahhab (May Allah have mercy on him) was a great scholar who called upon Tawhid and rejecting Shirk. The so called founder of this movement was a Hanbali in fiqh (one of the 4 schools of fiqh).

    And a Muslim shouldn’t use words like Wahabi because the word Al wahhab is one of the 99 names of Allah. He should refrain from using the name of Allah in matters of Hatred.

    Here are videos that would be informative:







    Informative articles:

    https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/36616

    https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/9243

    https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/10867
     
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    What do you mean?
     
  21. TekNiKo

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    Mu-hammed bin Abdul Wahab Najdi at-Tamimi

    Attributed Shirk towards Adam (AS) in order to prove his perverted tawhid.
    He said:
    رواه ابن أبي حاتم.
    وله بسند صحيح عن قتادة قال: شركاء في طاعته، ولم يكن في عبادته
    Ibn Abi Hatim reports with a “SAHIH CHAIN” from Qatadah that he said:
    They (Adam and eve) did “Shirk” in obedience (to Allah), but not in worship

    [Ibn Abdul Wahab al-Najdi in Kitab ut Tawheed, Page No. 57-58]

    Look how cleverly the Najdi calls the baseless report having “SAHIH” chain!
    In English translation of Kitab at-Tawhid it says in Footnote:

    The above quoted Hadith is said to be “WEAK”.

    Hafiz Ibn Kathir (rah) and Al-Albani ranked it weak “DA’IF” (Publisher) [Page No. 157]

    Now Ibn Abdul Wahab Najdi had himself become Mushrik for attributing Shirk towards Adam (a.s)

    as Ibn Kathir and Albani has proven it by declaring the report as “DA’IF”!

    Admirers of Najdi are ignoring the clear shirk which Ibn Abdul Wahab Najdi himself did, so I would like to reveal another Jahalat of this pseudo reviver from his so called acclaimed book:

    “Kitab at-Tawhid”
    He made a whole chapter title as:

    باب: التسمي بقاضي القضاة ونحوه

    Translation: To be named as “Qadhi ul Qudhaat”

    (Judge of Judges)

    And then he used the hadith of “: رجل تسمى ملك الأملاك، لا مالك إلا الله” i.e. Prophet (Peace be upon him) forbade the name “Malik al-Amlak (King of the Kings) because there is no King but Allah ”

    [Kitab at-Tawhid, Page No. 54]

    This is again height of ignorance shown by this pseudo self-assumed reviver of deen. By Including Qadhi ul Qudhaat into category of Shirk he has declared overwhelming Muhaditheen as “Mushrikeen”

    For the time being I will show 1 proof.

    Imam al-Hakim (rah) right in mentioning the chain of narrators said:

    أخبرني قاضي القضاة أبو الحسن محمد بن صالح

    Translation: Narrated by “QADHI UL QUDHAAT (Judge of Judges)” Abul Hasan Muhammd bin Salih… [Mustadrak al Hakim (3/580)]

    So this Najdi Ibn Abdul Wahab was not only ignorant in sciences of Quran and Hadith but even simple Arabic.

    He attributies lie to Prophet by forging hadith

    As they are afraid to reply so I will add third blunder made by Ibn Abdul Wahab Najdi in same book Kitab at-Tawhid …this is now total operation of that pseudo Mawhid.

    Analysis # 3: On Page no.52 of Kitab at-Tawhid towards the end, Ibn Abdul Wahab Najdi quotes:

    Ahmed reports that Tariq bin Shihab narrated that Allah’s Messenger (Peace be upon him) said: ….(till the end of hadith, please note that even in matn of hadith he added: How was that possible “O MESSENGER OF ALLAH”)

    Then he gave reference as “(Ahmed)” on next page…Ibn Abdul Wahab Najdi attributed lies to Prophet as this hadith is not narrated by Prophet (Peace be upon him), secondly he hypocritically changed the matn (content) of hadith itself to somehow put Prophet inside, third and he also gave wrong reference as this hadith does not exist in Musnad Ahmed as well, so Najdi cooked up 2 lies!

    (a) Attributing hadith to Prophet (Peace be upon him) and also forging the matn of hadith to somehow strengthen personal viewpoint.

    (b) Referencing it to Ahmed although it is not present in Musnad Ahmed.

    Now according to Sahih hadith a person who attributes a lie to Prophet (Peace be upon him) will occupy his seat in hell fire.

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    Sahih Bukhari,Volume 8, Book 77, Number 611:

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    The Prophet said, “Adam and Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. ‘O Adam! You are our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.’ Then Adam said to him, ‘O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to you directly) and He wrote (the Torah) for you with His Own Hand. Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty years before my creation?’ So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted Moses,” the Prophet added, repeating the Statement three times.

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    Mu-hammed ibn Abdul-wahhab Najdi

    Attributed Shirk to Adam and Hawwaa

    he said:

    Kitaab At-Tawheed, Chapter: 48

    Quote:
    [(Allah , says: ” It is He Who created you from a single being and made from it its mate, in order that he might dwell with her. When he united with her [in intercourse], she bore [i.e. becomes pregnant with] a light burden and she continued to carry it. When she grew heavy, they both prayed to Allah, their Lord: “If You give us a righteous child, good in every respect, we vow we shall be of the grateful ones.” But when He gave them a righteous child, they ascribed to others a share in that which He had given them: But Allah is Exalted High above the partners they ascribe to Him” (Qur’an 7:189-190 )

    Allah , Most Glorified, Most High, informs us in these verses that He created mankind from a single human being, Adam (as ) and that He created from him a wife, Hawwa`, in order that they might live together in peace and harmony and that He created in them the desire for sexual intercourse and made it permissible to them, in order that they might enjoy complete stability and repose and that their progeny might continue to multiply. And when she became pregnant, they both called upon Allah , asking Him to give them a healthy, strong, righteous child and swearing that if He did so, they would be eternally be grateful to Him. But when Allah answered their supplications and gave them that which they had requested, they named him `Abdul Harith, thus ascribing others as partners with Allah ; and Allah is far above that which they attributed to Him. )]

    وجاء في الكتاب الأصلي :
    قول الله تعالى: ( فلما آتاهما صالحاً جعلا له شركاء فيما آتاهما ) (114) الآية.
    قال ابن حزم: اتفقوا على تحريم كل اسم معبَّد لغير الله؛ كعبد عمر، وعبد الكعبة، وما أشبه ذلك، حاشا عبد المطلب.
    وعن ابن عباس رضي الله عنه في الآية قال: لما تغشـاها آدم حمـلت، فأتاهما إبليس فقال: إني صاحبكما الذي أخرجتكما من الجنة لتطيعاني أو لأجعلن له قرني أيل، فيخرج من بطنك فيشقه، ولأفعلن ولأفعلن ـ يخوفهما ـ سِّمياه عبد الحارث، فأبيا أن يطيعاه، فخرج ميتاً، ثم حملت، فأتاهما، فقال مثل قوله، فأبيا أن يطيعاه، فخرج ميتاً، ثم حملت، فأتاهما، فذكر لهما فأدركهما حب الولد، فسمياه عبد الحارث فذلك قوله تعالى: ( جعلا له شركاء فيما آتاهما ) (115) رواه ابن أبي حاتم.
    وله بسند صحيح عن قتادة قال: شركاء في طاعته، ولم يكن في عبادته. وله بسند صحيح عن مجاهد في قوله: ( لئن آتيتنا صالحاً ) (116) قال: أشفقا ألا يكون إنساناً، وذكر معناه عن الحسن وسعيد وغيرهما.

    This story is untrue, for example:


    – Ibn Katheer said in his tafseer (Arabic version 2/287) :
    ( These effects received from the people of the Book -Jews and Christians-)

    هذه الآثار متلقاة عن أهل الكتاب

    – Ibn Hazm
    said (Al-fisal) :
    ( the story that is attributed to Adam which said that he when Allah answered his supplications and gave him that which he had requested and he named his son “Abdul Harith”, this story is a fabricated Myth.
    and this story don’t have any correct origin , but it descended from heaven about Mushriks )
    وهذا الذي نسبوه إلى آدم من أنه سمى ابنه عبد الحارث خرافة موضوعة مكذوبة… ولم يصح سندها قط، وإنما نزلت الآية في المشركين على ظاهرها

    – Al Qurtubi
    said (سورة الأعراف -آية190) :
    (this story Do not count it who has a heartلا يعوِّل عليها من كان له قلب)
     
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