Can The Incel Movement Revolutionize Gender Relation

[Angelina]

Again, I'm looking at through a strictly productivity point of view. The longer women spend in school = lower fertility. That simple. It simply makes no sense for a society to just let it's most capable women become a genetic dead end. That is how you get an idiocracy with society just degrading.

Schooling in the UK ends at 21 and women get a grad job at 22. I was working full time at 22 and was earning management position wages at 25, which you could argue is peak fertility.

There is clearly more to it. The only positions that have schooling for that long would be medical school and you’re smart enough to know we do need female doctors.

It's not a good spiral, and it happens everywhere in the world from the US to Asia to Africa. I'm not saying women should be kept in Taliban like conditions, but that the whole structure needs a huge revamp.

I do believe it’s more to it. Most women I know who are single aren’t because of work commitments and believe me I’m a professional woman and have been for since 21/22 and all the women I know who are single at 26 are single for personal reasons and not being able to find the right man for instance. That might tie into your argument as many would argue that if women had limited option and would be in dire poverty if their fathers were to pass away for example, they’d settle down and choose any man, even whom one they don’t like.

But another thing you’re not taking into account though is that men aren’t settling down early as well and whilst it might not impact their fertility, societies in which women marry earlier, are also societies in which men marry earlier and value marriage as well.

There's an stat of where women with a degree in Ethiopia have less than 2 kids while women with no education have about 5-6. You can't really do anything too transformative unless that dynamic is flipped.

I’m in the Middle East and have female managers with 6 kids and a whole lot of grandkids. What the difference? They have help and a government that makes their lives easier. The idea that women can’t have a lot of kids and be educated is a myth and it’s something I’ve noticed since being here. I literally know women with more than 5 kids here with higher positions. It shows that it’s a lot more complicated than education but culture, the economy and the amount of help women get also plays a role.

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tbh it’s the same for educated men and they can have kids well into their 80s, but still they’re choosing to have less kids on average. Collage educated men take their time having children so it’s clearly a culture issue and the economy since these men can have children anytime but choose not to.

 

[Ghengis Kaarhis]

Some niggas want government provided gf’s and wives

 

[Angelina]

Although I disagree with the some of the brothers points. It is fair to say that extreme Hypergamy is also negatively affecting a lot of women not just men.

This is my biggest issue. Most statistics illustrate that financial hypergamy has deceased. Never in history have we had a surplus of breadwinner wives, joint breadwinner families and the list continues. Men are indeed marrying women who make more or about the same.

What’s really changed is women’s requirements of how they want to be treated and what they’d put up with, hence why I find men who want to limit women’s education and finances to be the devil’s spawn.

There are a lot of women that are doing very well with PhDs, 6 figure salary's and comfortable lives. Some of these women are in their late 20s or early 30s. But they can't find a man to settle with.

There are more single men than women. Yet men seem obsessive with limiting women and women’s options. It really falls under the obsession of gaining access.

Why? Because there Hypergamy won't let them. Only 5% of men in the country make 6 figures +, out of all of them take away the ones that are married, the ones she may not like. That lady is left with a tiny pool of men probably 0.01% of men, which makes it practically impossible for her to find a husband.

It really isn’t as drastic or dramatic as you think it is. Hypergamy isn’t as high as it once was. Women do routinely marry men who make less. But it seems that instead of men actually working harder they want to squash women’s potential.

So for every incel out there, there is also ab equivelant of a 30+ woman who can't find the man she wants and is unwilling to settle. So this problem affects both men and women.

It really doesn’t as those women choose not to. Nor are they forcing men to settle with them. Come up with violent or repulsive r-word fantasies.

The things is a lot of it isn’t just money and a lot of men don’t seem to want to understand. No amount of statistics, women telling them or the like can make them open their eyes. Women simply now want to be treated a certain way and some women are willing to stay single for the rest of their lives if that can’t happen.

In the past DV, cheating and the whole list of unsavory behavior was excused and women stayed or went into relationships with men with glaring red flags.

 

[GemState]

Schooling in the UK ends at 21 and women get a grad job at 22. I was working full time at 22 and was earning management position wages at 25, which you could argue is peak fertility.

There is clearly more to it. The only positions that have schooling for that long would be medical school and you’re smart enough to know we do need female doctors.

I do believe it’s more to it. Most women I know who are single aren’t because of work commitments and believe me I’m a professional woman and have been for since 21/22 and all the women I know who are single at 26 are single for personal reasons and not being able to find the right man for instance. That might tie into your argument as many would argue that if women had limited option and would be in dire poverty if their fathers were to pass away for example, they’d settle down and choose any man, even whom one they don’t like.

But another thing you’re not taking into account though is that men aren’t settling down early as well and whilst it might not impact their fertility, societies in which women marry earlier, are also societies in which men marry earlier and value marriage as well.



I’m in the Middle East and have female managers with 6 kids and a whole lot of grandkids. What the difference? They have help and a government that makes their lives easier. The idea that women can’t have a lot of kids and be educated is a myth and it’s something I’ve noticed since being here. I literally know women with more than 5 kids here with higher positions. It shows that it’s a lot more complicated than education but culture, the economy and the amount of help women get also plays a role.

Come on, you know it's because of the Asian/African helots that those dynamics are still possible. Easy to have a boatload of kids when you have Ethiopian and Filipino maids for childcare and Indian drivers.

Nobility in the UK tended to marry at a younger age (particularly noble girls), have children at a younger age, and have more children because of similar dynamics in regards to distribution of labour prior to the 20th century. Unless you're suggesting to bring back those dynamics, it's a fairly moot point

 

[Angelina]

Come on, you know it's because of the Asian/African helots that those dynamics are still possible. Easy to have a boatload of kids when you have Ethiopian and Filipino maids for childcare and Indian drivers.

Nobility in the UK tended to marry at a younger age (particularly noble girls), have children at a younger age, and have more children because of similar dynamics in regards to distribution of labour prior to the 20th century. Unless you're suggesting to bring back those dynamics, it's fairly moot (Though, that is honestly my idea)

My last manager at 6 kids and lot of grandkids. Was around 60. Yes she had a lot of help you’re right but I thought it was amazing.

I do believe women can achieve a lot if their relationships were slightly more egalitarian with regards to help. The data shows that even when women are the breadwinner, they still do more as their partner simply expects them to do it. I truly believe for modern women, the lack of help and selfishness is a big factor. Even divorce lawyers have noticed this and various data. Not taking that into account I believe is a mistake as it is a bit more complicated. It really is a motivating factor as to why many women don’t want a lot of kids. I’ve heard and seen it first hand.

Also, another factor in the ME aside from the help, which you’re right about, is that both men and women marry very early. Every society in which women have a lot of children and marry early, the male counterparts also marry early, so I do believe it’s another mistake to only focus on the women. I do believe regret is a correlation since educated women are much more likely to marry educated women and educated men have less kids than less educated men. In fact those with higher IQ have less kids and governments need to find ways to encourage that class to have more.

 

[MBADD]

No, you’re Somali. You’re ancestors were nomads most probably. They worked the land alongside their husbands. The man looked after the camels and the women looked after the sheeps and cows and built the aqal.

As for loyalty it’s a two way street. Loyalty is based on respect and kindness.

Government? The government also protects you. That’s how I know you’re a low IQ redpiller that’s never seen a war. The police protects you same way it protects me. If you want to do away with law and order just to get a woman, then you’ve fell down a sad and pathetic rabbit hole.

People want men for companionship, love, children, family….a life. If you have such low self esteem that you believe that you can only be wanted as a hated but glorified ATM machine, well that’s sad. Work on yourself as a woman shouldn’t be on the brink of poverty and no education to choose you. With that mindset you’ll always be insecure.

What you’re wishing for also restricts the growth of society. You want society to be a lot more dangerous just so that you can get a woman desperate so that she fears random rapists and there is no government, whilst not understanding that in the past, most men didn’t marry or procreate. They died in petty wars or were simply too poor since there weren’t a safety net.



Just understand in a more primitive setting you’d be suffering a lot as well which is why I find redpillers pathetic.

All the comforts I have benefit you if not more and you can’t even see it as your world view is men vs women and poor me, I’m too repulsive to get a woman to genuinely like me or be loyal.

If you can’t get a woman now, in a world in which financial hypergamy has actually lowered and that’s a statistical fact btw, and not the twisted ones you find in your incel rejects forums, you’d suffer in the past immensely.

In a primitive setting Incels wouldn't exist so whether I'm alive or not is irrelevant I would still prefer that over this sedentary lifestyle where we have to act like Men and Women are equal in every facet.

Incels are created by a society like this thats too comfortable and single mothers pussifying their sons.

In fact The main reason for Incels is ironically women pacifying and emasculating their own sons by making them useless.

I even heard a stat the other day that most degenerate psychopathic men are a result of their narcisstic mothers betatizing their sons at a young age.

So when gabdho complain about lack of suitors they have nobody to blame but their hooyooyin tbh.

 

[Angelina]

In a primitive setting Incels wouldn't exist so whether I'm alive or not is irrelevant I would still prefer that over this sedentary lifestyle where we have to act like Men and Women are equal in every facet.

Incels are created by a society like this thats too comfortable and single mothers pussifying their sons.

In fact The main reason for Incels is ironically women pacifying and emasculating their own sons by making them useless.

They did exist, they lived. They’re were in battle with many surviving and
lonely lives. Who says they don’t exist? Who has fed you this fairy tale?

More men are procreating than ever? What are you talking about?

I even heard a stat the other day that most degenerate psychopathic men are a result of their narcisstic mothers betatizing their sons at a young age.

Narc mothers causes issues for both men and women. So do narc dads in fact degenerate dads even sexually abuse their kids. So they’re just as bad if not worse. That’s degenerates for you eh.

So when gabdho complain about lack of suitors they have nobody to blame but their hooyooyin tbh.

What does that have to do with a lack of suitors. Please explain the logic? Don’t narc dads cause even more everlasting damages?

 

[MBADD]

They do exist, they live. They’re in battle or live lonely lives. Who says they don’t exist? Who has fed you this fairy tale?

Narc mothers causes issues for both men and women. So do narc dads in fact degenerate dads even sexually abuse their kids. So they’re just as bad if not worse. That’s degenerates for you eh.

What does that have to do with a lack of suitors. Please explain the logic? Don’t narc dads cause even more everlasting damages?

I would argue Narcisstic fathers are better suited for sons because at least they will keep them accountable. Absent fathers are the male version of narcisstic mothers. In fact they're the worst type of parent on any side of the gender.

I believe the Worst father whose is present can instill masculinity in their sons unless it was something extreme like sexual abuse. The boy will grow up resentful but at least his fitrah and manhood is in check and maybe to some degree even more than average like David Goggins as an example coming from an abusive father in his household.

But when the father is absent and the mother is Overbearing it cause the boys to have their fitrah messed up, where some turn Gay and most are just straight up Beta males.

Its harder to make a Weak man become stronger than it is to make a strong man be more in touch with his softer side.

 

[Karbaaash]

Didnt bother reading it all but this world is not fair never was it meant 2 be. 80% of all women in history got the chance to reproduce, meanwhile only 40% of the men. So no @DR OSMAN ur very wrong.

 

[Baarisiyomoos]

Sex isn’t a biological need, you won’t die if you go without it. Maybe those men need to work on themselves if no woman is interested in them. If you’re such a loser that you need r*** to be outlawed for a woman to sleep with you, you don’t deserve to pass your shitty genes on.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Angelina @Hodan from HR @mohamedismail I am not going to add a 'religious' dimension to the topic to support my ego or argument like some would(warning signs for u becareful of ppl using religion to streghten their own bias/ego'.

I just know men/women stand equally before god, why would they stand un-equal on earth doesn't follow in god wisdom, I think their some 'men' twisting going on. Plus Khadija is prime example that women can be educated and rich and even the boss of men, she managed the PROPHET as her worker, that's the prophet lol, wat merit men can argue baffles me.

I am not incel sister but I live by the philosophy there is 3 sides to any story, YOURS, HIS, and the truth is somewhere in between is pretty much any conflict resolution tool between humans. Their has to be middle ground between two opposing sides. I don't believe it's right incel ask rape laws be cancelled on the grounds sex is a 'human right' since they argue it's a 'NEED' like food-water loooooooool.

They want a world where women r conditioned to accept any man on the street who says to them 'im horny, i need my biological need' serviced. If u refuse ppl in society will look at u as 'cruel' and demonize u like they would if u didn't give hungry person food or water cuz their linking sexual need to that type of level.

I clearly said for argument sake if these men were sexually oppressed as they claim and we even accepted their argument universally across both genders, what wisdom is it to sexually oppress a woman in return who doesn't want u? One oppression 4 another Oppression isn't an answer.

My position if u care to know that some women have gone crazy on requirement/expectation level to their own self detriment and also society. As for men they need to lift up their game sex isn't a 'right', if u don't u will be removed from the gene-pool is correct. I agree 100% they don't have any rights on a female body, it's not their body, their rights ends with themselves.

 

[Hodan from HR]

In the animal world, reproduction is considered a depreciating act. Energy will be lost. Resources and time are also needed to get the best outcome. Not only does the female animal risk her health and body but if she chooses to breed with a weak male (lacks genetic fitness and ability to accumulate resources), the baby dies young.


So yeah, if human are considered intellectually superior, you can imagine the things that go in the average woman's mind when she meets a man who could "potentially be the one". Things like intelligence, personality and commitment also get into the equation because it takes more years for a human baby to reach adulthood, but that does not mean we ignore the baseline which is genes and resources.

Also men's testosterone levels are declining. Instead of fixing up, working on their diet, stop watching corn, join the military, build shiet.. it is easier to blame women for having "high standards" I guess. Incels can guilt trip and use force all they want but from a biological standpoint, no sane woman wants to be attached to weak sissy man. That's why women may regret never having children of their own. It is not that we never wanted to, the quality of available men is just not good.


Strong women are attracted to strong men. Educated women are attracted to educated men.

Now you know.
Don't take it personal.
We do it for the babies..

 

[MBADD]

In the animal world, reproduction is considered a depreciating act. Energy will be lost. Resources and time are also needed to get the best outcome. Not only does the female animal risk her health and body but if she chooses to breed with a weak male (lacks genetic fitness and ability to accumulate resources), the baby dies young.


So yeah, if human are considered intellectually superior, you can imagine the things that go in the average woman's mind when she meets a man who could "potentially be the one". Things like intelligence, personality and commitment also get into the equation because it takes more years for a human baby to reach adulthood, but that does not mean we ignore the baseline which is genes and resources.

Also men's testosterone levels are declining. Instead of fixing up, working on their diet, stop watching corn, join the military, build shiet.. it is easier to blame women for having "high standards" I guess? Incels can guilt trip and use force all they want but from a biological standpoint, no sane woman wants to be attached to weak sissy man.


Strong women are attracted to strong men. Educated women are attracted to educated men.

Now you know.
Don't take it personal.
We do it for the babies..

It goes both ways those Men desire feminine women just as much as Women desire Masculine men.

 

[DR OSMAN]

In the animal world, reproduction is considered a depreciating act. Energy will be lost. Resources and time are also needed to get the best outcome. Not only does the female animal risk her health and body but if she chooses to breed with a weak male (lacks genetic fitness and ability to accumulate resources), the baby dies young.


So yeah, if human are considered intellectually superior, you can imagine the things that go in the average woman's mind when she meets a man who could "potentially be the one". Things like intelligence, personality and commitment also get into the equation because it takes more years for a human baby to reach adulthood, but that does not mean we ignore the baseline which is genes and resources.

Also men's testosterone levels are declining. Instead of fixing up, working on their diet, stop watching corn, join the military, build shiet.. it is easier to blame women for having "high standards" I guess? Incels can guilt trip and use force all they want but from a biological standpoint, no sane woman wants to be attached to weak sissy man.


Strong women are attracted to strong men. Educated women are attracted to educated men.

Now you know.
Don't take it personal.
We do it for the babies..

Becareful if I were u about ideas floating around, it only takes a politician and media to normalize it for the mainstream appetite to 'debate' and sanitize to the public as a 'moral' thing lol.

U could find a world where women in the future grow up being told 'sex is ur obligation to any man' in public and if u refuse u bring 'shame' to our name/family lol and she won't know any better, since everyone is doing it but it had 'dubious origin' and by that time it's to late to deconstruct. Ideas nowaday r being linked to science(factual) and religion to give it a 'holy' dimension. It's quite sickening but that's what happening world wide. I honestly think the mis-use of science n religion by ppl for their ideas or opinion where it brings 'harm' should be prosecuted.

 

[Hodan from HR]

Becareful if I were u about ideas floating around, it only takes a politician and media to normalize it for the mainstream appetite to 'debate' and sanitize to the public as a 'moral' thing lol.

U could find a world where women in the future grow up being told 'sex is ur obligation to any man' in public and if u refuse u bring 'shame' to our name/family lol and she won't know any better, since everyone is doing it but it had 'dubious origin' and by that time it's to late to deconstruct. Ideas nowaday r being linked to science(factual) and religion to give it a 'holy' dimension. It's quite sickening but that's what happening world wide.

You are right. People have used science and religion to spread their horrible agendas..


But in my opinion, animal behavior is pure. A female bird choosing the male that builds a good nest in the safest location to mate with, is not driven by greed. She does that to ensure the chicks have higher survival rate, esp since she is the one laying and incubating the eggs until they hatch..

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hodan from HR this need for 'control or image seeking or they wanna be loved and feel special' is what I suspect is fuelling incels not the sex, if it was purely sexual need their is prostitute or sex tourism as u noted. I don't think it's the sex at all, but a far more sinister-darker motive behind it. I can understand the need for control in fuedal/heirachal cultures like the west-east asian cultures, it's due to their culture which has shaped their mind that humans can only interact thru master/slave obedience which they craft 'naming schemes' but it's essentially the same idea.

But this very un-somali especially nomadic culture, since freedom/independence is cherished by both genders and has always been, but they do suffer an 'image and faan' issue though which is far more important to them as a cultural value then their say west-east asian cultures, especially the old urban cultured areas not so much in nomad but it's still there also.

 

[Netflix]

Most Incels want to help men who just don't get it. It doesn't matter how hard you try if the physical attraction isn't there. In their opinion, those men should give up on women and focus on other things instead.

There are a lot of guys who don't understand a man can be objectively ugly and will give terrible advice.

99% of men can't stand being called ugly, and you expect them to embrace the Incel label. The Incel Movement will never become mainstream, lol (it is not a movement, but that's another subject altogether).

It is not a good idea to take seriously the words of sexually frustrated people online. The vast majority of Incels wouldn't harm a fruitfly in real life.

Being Incel is not all about failing to attract women. It's about consistently getting the short end of the stick in life. Btw, I'm not talking about average-looking fellas here, but butt-ugly men.

Let this sink in:
Utilizing the state-of-art deep learning technique to quantify facial attractiveness, we find that funds with facial unattractive managers outperform funds with attractive managers by over 2% per annum.

Two fucking percent!

For the gaslighters, no one will ever address this issue. I'm well aware of how this looks.

Source: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4322134

 

[Khaem]

A lot of men who never touched a women talking rn. Unbelievable things I'm reading.

"Sex is a biological need" just say you're b¡tchless

 

[DR OSMAN]

A lot of men who never touched a women talking rn. Unbelievable things I'm reading.

"Sex is a biological need" just say you're b¡tchless

Lots of ideas that sound fringe today or underground, only needs media to present it for public debate/appetite before politicians gouge it's appeal level and voter return on investment by tabling it as a law. Scary but true. By the time it becomes law and ppl are socially conditioned into it, it's one helluva a task to deconstruct it what has become norm. For example eating 3 times a day is a social norm today, even tho many scientists have proven u only eat when hungry and that's it, even if it's 1 time a day.

But deconstructing 3 times a day meal is so hard cuz it's the norm. It could turn into public norm women shunned/shamed in the future when any man just pulls her over and says I need my sexual biological rights serviced now and if she refuses he could say I'll get u arrested cause ur breaking the law. This may sound radical to u in this world ur in now, but in a world wheree u grow up and know no better then what is the NORM, u won't even think it's wrong since everyone is doing it. Then reformers/activist may arise and be persecuted or killed to stop the practise. This is what u see constantly thru out history.

 

[Soul Kaizer]

Sex is not a biological imperative.

Historically sex has been gatekept from majority of men.

As modern humans moved into Europe more than 45,000 years ago, the number of mothers may have outnumbered fathers by around 100 to 30, according to Stoneking. His study appears in the journal, Investigative Genetics.

Source:https://amp.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/24/women-men-dna-human-gene-pool