Can someone explain to me the situation in Gedo right now ?

[Jaale Ugaas]

No, because migrations in drought aren’t uniform. Lets operate like nothing is obvious because clearly most Mx are bad faith.

I'd like you to explain why the ogadeni geeljire would come to the supposedly drought ridden area the marehan were supposedly fleeing.

Either the Kumaade elders was lying about the circumstances about why the original conflict happened or there were no ogadenis in geriley and that was another lie from you people.

1. Ogadens have been the main clan in Kismayo(Italian Census)

MX have no real history in Kismayo(Italian Census)

We aren't living in the colonial era are we, post civil war Marehan are the majority in Kismayo.

The Cawrmale have sporadic clashes but never from the supposed Mx plurality and they arent connected to any gobol(Refer to map)

There can't be any clashes if only one side is actually armed. We saw how JL soldiers walked into Qudus and shot two random nomads and left and when questioned why they claimed they were AS.

Marehan in Kismayo are hub'laan like i mentioned beforehand and can't organize themselves to fight either. Also these people are more metropolitan and open to other clans unlike the rest of marehan in JL who are less agreeable.

Turki and Madoobe took Hiraale out of Kismayo using almost entirely Ogaden muscle(See Ex. 1.1-1.2)

So then why did they have to share power with Marehan KBF? You own sources says

3 AS city council seats
3 for MRK and other allied Islamists/former ICU millitas.

Im inclined to believe the UNSC when they say Marehan Islamists share control of Kismayo and

Hiraale admits himself that he was taken out by “Kablalax” and “ONLF” not Mx v. MX lol(Catoosh interview)

I really don't care what he said. I provided evidence from the UNSC that points to the fact he omitted the participation of Marehan forces in his interview.

There are Ogadens to retaliate against in Geriley and the MX came to Diif as Barakac(See previous post)

There are no Ogadenis in Geriley or Gedo to begin with. There is no such thing as salagal district and the land in-between Geriley and the MX-OG border at Diif is exclusively inhabited by Marehan.

The MX used ENDF to get back into Kismayo and still failed to hold it(See Ex. 1.3)

That was when OG was under the
ICU/Islamist millitas umbrella so Marehan joined TFG umbrella that received support from ENDF like every other part of TFG aligned forces.

Difference is ENDF withdrew from Kismayo. The KDF is still there more than a decade later.

Hiraale and his people fled from Kismayo and Berhani not stopping until they reached Baardheere(See Ex 1.4 and Catoosh interview

Berhani is too close to Kismayo to regroup and re organise and he couldn't recruit more manpower from Berhani either. in the video you always link Hiraale mentioned he lost 2 teknikos during the hasty retreat to Bardheere.

It was a good decision after what conspired in Kismayo.

 

[Abaq]

Wouldn't that mean your people are contradicting themselves? According to your elders there was a drought and the MX were forced to come to Ogadenis lands because of it yet for some reason there are supposedly Ogadeni Nomads in Geriley. What your elders claimed is a falsity and there is a reason why JLTV gave prime time to them to spout their lies. I think the word you used -allegedly- is perfect because there is no proof to suggest there was any Ogadenis near Geriley to begin with.

1. We know the demographics of Geriley area and it's purely Marehan.

2. There was supposedly a drought in Marehan lands forcing them to come to Ogadeni lands (really the land that is already settled by Marehan but still claimed by ogaden)

3. The ogadenis supposedly left their barwaaqo and came to the "dought ridden" Marehan lands leaving their own heaven

We have settlements in Kismayo district like Qudus and Berhani and many more as well as MX urban population in Kismayo which is undoubtedly the plurality if not the outright majority.

You act as if Marehan weren't on both sides of the battle. The Khalid Ibn Walid brigades were instrumental in the Islamists takeover of the city. We all know nobody took the ogadenis serious before MX ICU/Shabab joined them.

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It was Marehan Vs Marehan & Ogaden war.


You could say the exact same for every clan but unlike Ogadenis Marehan non Shabab or also divided into.

Local/FGS/JL/AS/Itoobiyan. This is partly the fault of Marehan themselves but also many other factors including outside influence. MX in Kismayo are cut off from Marehan in Gedo and Middle Jubba and Northern Af Madow but Shabab, Ogadenis and the other clans that settle the Jubba valley. They can't purchase weapons or organise millitas because they are surrounded by kab iyo lax on all sides. Hell they can't even hold celebrations for shit like clan flag days because once again Madobe guddomiyaha degmada Kismayo is always keeping an eye on them and playing divide and rule.

If you are from Jubaland, you would know Beerxaani is a tiny hamlet composed of 10 huts that are pretty much all Gaaljecel. Qudus I will concede is Mx but it is tiny. The rest waa daaqsin. Please tell us what Mx deegaan there is in the lower jubba other than Qudus? Mx being a plurality in kismayo is also laughable, I bet there's more cawramale

If you were from Jubaland you would also know that nomads go everywhere. My sub-subclans animals go to Bu'aale sometimes, that doesn't mean we own or claim Bu'aale. Similarly Marehan entered Dhoobley area for daaqsin after heshiis with the local Ogaden but they decided to overstay and dig waterpans before they were forcibly evicted.

 

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I'd like you to explain why the ogadeni geeljire would come to the supposedly drought ridden area the marehan were supposedly fleeing.

Either the Kumaade elders was lying about the circumstances about why the original conflict happened or there were no ogadenis in geriley and that was another lie from you people.

Maybe they were residents or maybe they were on their way from Wajir South but thats what was reported and in your video. Maybe don’t use it.

Western Gedo is also notoriously dry. Probably another reason why you guys are begging it with us.

We aren't living in the colonial era are we, post civil war Marehan are the majority in Kismayo.

Ogadens are majority in Caabudwaaq…

See how easy that is.

There can't be any clashes if only one side is actually armed. We saw how JL soldiers walked into Qudus and shot two random nomads and left and when questioned why they claimed they were AS.

Marehan in Kismayo are hub'laan like i mentioned beforehand and can't organize themselves to fight either. Also these people are more metropolitan and open to other clans unlike the rest of marehan in JL who are less agreeable.

Like I said Cawrmale have skirmishes Marexaan don’t. It really says alot about your numbers.

So then why did they have to share power with Marehan KBF? You own sources says

3 AS city council seats
3 for MRK and other allied Islamists/former ICU millitas.

Im inclined to believe the UNSC when they say Marehan Islamists share control of Kismayo and

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I really don't care what he said. I provided evidence from the UNSC that points to the fact he omitted the participation of Marehan forces in his interview.

Hiraale is a primary source not really much to debate. Turki also brought Godane doesnt really mean Isaaqs were doing the fighting for Kismayo.

KBW allied itself with the winning side theres a reason why nobody remembers their commanders names. My sources clearly show who was doing the fighting.

There are no Ogadenis in Geriley or Gedo to begin with. There is no such thing as salagal district and the land in-between Geriley and the MX-OG border at Diif is exclusively inhabited by Marehan.

It was made official under AY. Do you think when AS is cleared we won’t make it official from Kismayo aswell?

Cabaas will sit their and clap aswell

That was when OG was under the
ICU/Islamist millitas umbrella so Marehan joined TFG umbrella that received support from ENDF like every other part of TFG aligned forces.

Difference is ENDF withdrew from Kismayo. The KDF is still there more than a decade later.

Ethiopia was forced to drawdown they are still in Gedo today maintaining security for almost every town thats free.

Do I need to bring out the conflict maps again lol

Berhani is too close to Kismayo to regroup and re organise and he couldn't recruit more manpower from Berhani either. in the video you always link Hiraale mentioned he lost 2 teknikos during the hasty retreat to Bardheere.

It was a good decision after what conspired in Kismayo.

So why didnt he retreat to somewhere closer than Baardheere if you guys settle the Jubbas. This is actually embarrassing.

 

[Jaale Ugaas]

If you are from Jubaland, you would know Beerxaani is a tiny hamlet composed of 10 huts that are pretty much all Gaaljecel. Qudus I will concede is Mx but it is tiny. The rest waa daaqsin. Please tell us what Mx deegaan there is in the lower jubba other than Qudus? Mx being a plurality in kismayo is also laughable, I bet there's more cawramale

If you were from Jubaland you would also know that nomads go everywhere. My sub-subclans animals go to Bu'aale sometimes, that doesn't mean we own or claim Bu'aale. Similarly Marehan entered Dhoobley area for daaqsin after heshiis with the local Ogaden but they decided to overstay and dig waterpans before they were forcibly evicted.

Welcome back, did you know your my favorite fantasty writer on sspot?

Maybe they were residents or maybe they were on their way from Wajir South but thats what was reported and in your video. Maybe don’t use it.

Western Gedo is also notoriously dry. Probably another reason why you guys are begging it with us.

Except the area highlighted with the same amount of rainfall stretches from Fafaxaduun to Badhaadhe District that strip includes Geriley. So why were Marehan coming from Geriley area when it receives the same level of rainfall as the strip in Badhaadhe district?

Hiraale is a primary source not really much to debate. Turki also brought Godane doesnt really mean Isaaqs were doing the fighting for Kismayo.

KBW allied itself with the winning side theres a reason why nobody remembers their commanders names. My sources clearly show who was doing the fighting

So then why did MRK have to share control of the city with them according the the UNSC, something is not adding up on your end buddy. How embarrassing it must be that Ogadenis did all the heavy lifting only for KBW to swoop and steal your share of the seats.

My sources are from the UNSC a clear unbiased source of information.

Kismayo City Council
Three for AS
Three split between MRK,KBW and other Islamist millitas.
Another seat for local clan elders.

And that's according to your sources lol

Ethiopia was forced to drawdown they are still in Gedo today maintaining security for almost every town thats free.

Do I need to bring out the conflict maps again lol

The amount of Ethiopian troops in Gedo the entire gobol is roughly equal to the amount of Kenyan troops in Kismayo (ATMIS 2 sector). I can say the same for Lower Jubba. There are many conflict maps that paint a different picture.

So why didnt he retreat to somewhere closer than Baardheere if you guys settle the Jubbas. This is actually embarrassing.

Bardheere is the 2nd largest city in Jubaland after Kismayo, it's also the largest Marehan inhabited city in Jubaland after Kismayo, and finally it's the largest Marehan exclusive city in the Juba valley. (Marehan supermajority.)

Why wouldn't he retreat their to build up his manpower again. The ICU was still on the warpath and would soon try and pursue his forces and he needed time to reorganize and resupply his forces so going to the 2nd largest city in the Juba Valley after Kismayo which was also quite a distance away would.

1. Buy him time to re organise his forces and resupply them.
2. Make new political deals to ensure he had support for a renewed offensive.
3. Get more manpower from the city and surrounding districts and also incorporate more clan millitas into his JVA.

Ogadens are majority in Caabudwaaq…

See how easy that is.

It's very easy to close your eyes and plug your ears when you don't like the truth of the matter.

We can agree to disagree but it won't change the reality of the situation.


Marehan are the largest, most important, and most widespread clan in JL, Ogadenis are not.

The people who have benefited from foreign intervention and supported (p.s Kismayo is not the first time they did that, these people were supplying baggage camels to the British who wanted to disarm the Marehan was back in 1913 more than 100 years ago) who were formerly an irrelevant minority in the Juba Valley now emboldened by their foreign backers are attempting to claim they are the pre eminent clan in the Juba Valley. Crazy shit.

It was made official under AY. Do you think when AS is cleared we won’t make it official from Kismayo aswell?

Cabaas will sit their and clap aswell

I really could care less about how Cabaas shakes his ass, when Marehan take control of JL again I hope him and Maxamud Sayid will be the first ones tied up to the pole.

However I did notice Salagal district borders and it would once again be Marehan district bringing our total numbers of supermajority districts to 8 and majority inhabited to 10.

All it would mean is giving even a better foothold in middle Jubba. That would mean one Marehan majority district in middle Jubba and one Marehan supermajority district in middle Jubba. 2/4 districts, half the gobol belonging to Marexaan.

 

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Welcome back, did you know your my favorite fantasty writer on sspot?

Except the area highlighted with the same amount of rainfall stretches from Fafaxaduun to Badhaadhe District that strip includes Geriley. So why were Marehan coming from Geriley area when it receives the same level of rainfall as the strip in Badhaadhe district?

Is that how you think rain works?

So then why did MRK have to share control of the city with them according the the UNSC, something is not adding up on your end buddy. How embarrassing it must be that Ogadenis did all the heavy lifting only for KBW to swoop and steal your share of the seats.

My sources are from the UNSC a clear unbiased source of information.

Kismayo City Council
Three for AS
Three split between MRK,KBW and other Islamist millitas.
Another seat for local clan elders.

And that's according to your sources lol

Again, Turki brought an iidoor doesn’t really say much.

This is the paragraph before the snippet you posted btw. It literally affirms Turki was the one making appointments, his forces were Ogaden, they controlled the Juba Valley, and that it split his commanders(major controversy).

Once again my sources detail that the Islamic militants were divided by qabiil/region. Do I need to link Hiraale again?

The amount of Ethiopian troops in Gedo the entire gobol is roughly equal to the amount of Kenyan troops in Kismayo (ATMIS 2 sector). I can say the same for Lower Jubba. There are many conflict maps that paint a different picture.

This is demonstrably false, lol @ “There are many other maps”

Fun fact; Marexaans used Ethiopia to counter Ogadens in Luuq and Doloow. ENDF has never left this region since.

Bardheere is the 2nd largest city in Jubaland after Kismayo, it's also the largest Marehan inhabited city in Jubaland after Kismayo, and finally it's the largest Marehan exclusive city in the Juba valley. (Marehan supermajority.)

Why wouldn't he retreat their to build up his manpower again. The ICU was still on the warpath and would soon try and pursue his forces and he needed time to reorganize and resupply his forces so going to the 2nd largest city in the Juba Valley after Kismayo which was also quite a distance away would.

1. Buy him time to re organise his forces and resupply them.
2. Make new political deals to ensure he had support for a renewed offensive.
3. Get more manpower from the city and surrounding districts and also incorporate more clan millitas into his JVA.



It's very easy to close your eyes and plug your ears when you don't like the truth of the matter.

We can agree to disagree but it won't change the reality of the situation.


Marehan are the largest, most important, and most widespread clan in JL, Ogadenis are not.

The people who have benefited from foreign intervention and supported (p.s Kismayo is not the first time they did that, these people were supplying baggage camels to the British who wanted to disarm the Marehan was back in 1913 more than 100 years ago) who were formerly an irrelevant minority in the Juba Valley now emboldened by their foreign backers are attempting to claim they are the pre eminent clan in the Juba Valley. Crazy shit.

I really could care less about how Cabaas shakes his ass, when Marehan take control of JL again I hope him and Maxamud Sayid will be the first ones tied up to the pole.

However I did notice Salagal district borders and it would once again be Marehan district bringing our total numbers of supermajority districts to 8 and majority inhabited to 10.

All it would mean is giving even a better foothold in middle Jubba. That would mean one Marehan majority district in middle Jubba and one Marehan supermajority district in middle Jubba. 2/4 districts, half the gobol belonging to Marexaan.

Hadal badan haan ma buuxsho.

I guess we don’t allow you to organize there either feel free to fly in to Sayid Maxamed airport and enjoy August 15 though

 

[amiirad]

I used the video is illustrate my point bud. When we fight, we fight at Diif and Dhobley area. When I said we settle Northern Af Madow district I was specifically talking about our nomadic population, the largest nomadic population in the state is in Gedo and the areas we settle all the border or Gedo and Middle Jubba and Lower Jubba. If you add our Nomads elsewhere in the state like the area around Kismayo district it only boosts our numbers more. Whether you believe it or not cagdheer are among the minority clans in the state. You've benefited massively from a series of unfortunate events that has befallen the Marexaan + an AS buffer state in between. We all know you people were irrelevant before you came and piggybacked on Kenyan force.

In due time, either by force and political necessity or by democracy you people will be exposed.

Justice is never ending in it's pursuit of criminals.


Even the academics now this.


Also don't you claim to settle the entirety of lower jubba and middle Jubba? You are supposedly the majority in 2 gobols and also live (this is what I've gathered from you and you cagdheer friend's posts during my time here, thought we all knows it's false.) and unlike Marexaan Reer Gedo you don't have any internal opposition or division and yet you've been unable to go 20kms past Kismayo in the direction of goobweyn.

Mareexans are rich W curudka darood