Can A Science Framework Solve Somalia Politics

[DR OSMAN]

What do you guys in the science section say, since you all focus on 'innovation' topics and seeing what's added to a certain field in society. I never see you guys provide scientific solutions for Somalia political woes. The political section isn't about 'solutions' it's more 'fadhi ku dirir' and comedy shit. Let's keep this section purely about Somalia politics with an 'innovation' touch to it using established 'sciences' as our 'framework' only.

I will honestly enjoy this thread as I can grow my knowledge, the 'fadhi ku dirir' area is OK but not 24/7. I can't stay in that sort of shit because it's just 'back n forth' stuff and no 'growth'. I've seen Somalis at cafe after 'years' of spending time on this and noone has 'changed' his views whatsoever. No growth or change has come to them, NOR the person they were debating, nor the nation. Hence we must keep these this section clean of 'fadhi ku dirir' and keep it pure purely scientific solutions to our 'woes'.

Remember we can't reach our goals of 'innovation in somali industries' if the nation isn't politically stable, you can only reach that once the nation is stable politically. In-fact when u become politically stable, you become 'security' stable also. So it solves 'two major' problems in the nation, while opening up a 'great' new sector for us to begin working on 'innovation' in the fields we love. By ignoring this major area of life, you are basically never going to see your interests ever shown in Somalia since they will be stuck in political rife and security woes, they won't have time for your nonsense when bullets are flying and there is no political solution.

 

[DR OSMAN]

So please add whatever solution you think can work. Please remember some key rules only.

1. Somalinimo is the 'hadaf' and 'policy'. If we work on anything else, it's pointless and time wasting. The nation see this as their identity and they actually believe in it world wide when you see them as a social group.

2. Tribe. This is fine if you talk about this but don't mix it up with 'somalinimo' since no tribe owns 'somali' card. You can talk about tribe dynamics but remember it's 'local' to your affairs and never 'cross' your clan shit into 'somali shit'. You can be clannist taking care of you clan business but if your on the somali table, switch mind-sets or just leave the table.

3. Religion. Should religion be separate from politics? is religion more pure by itself as a stand-alone instiution or should we mix it in politics? take careful consideration to the fact politics 'divide' ppl and if religion is involved, it could turn into a socio-political-religious war. It could even harm people view of religion since there are many 'burcad diimeed'.

4. Economics. Provide the model remember it's not about business this one. Your supposed to be discussing people(ALL SOMALIS), sectors(ALL SOMALIA), investors(LOCAL OR FOREIGN) and how to bring them together and where to direct them in the nation. Since it's economy it has to demonstrate growth year by year. GDP or Living Standards are other important metrics.

5. Foreign Policy. Our relationship with Africa our continent, our regional neighbors(arabia and africa), our 'trade' partners, our 'military' partners, world powers. Other aspects like scholarships, health tourism or anything unique to our people and the world.

6. Politics. Democracy, Kingdom, Sultanate, Dictatorship, Emirates. Do we want traditional form of politics using our cultural norms and creating a systemto support our ancient culture. Do we want a colonial democracy legacy from 1969?

 

[DR OSMAN]

I set the agenda on all the key areas we need to discuss. We are the 'burbur' generation, so if we don't get to work now, in 20-30 years when it's our time to lead we have nothing to look back too except 'fadhi ku dirir' or 'jabhad' history which our father generation is apart. We won't even remember 'syl' history since that generation which is mostly our 'grandfathers era' by that stage.

I would also like the 'burbur' generation that are mostly 'arab influenced' in arabia to also 'sit down'. I want this to be 'cross diaspora' of all burbur generation kids or else those cunts will run back to 'arabia' and get funders and begin political instability. We need to include them into the conference. It cannot be just a 'western diaspora' project any longer. We also need to incorporate the African 'diaspora', since we have a big generation there who became leaders in politics, economics, business.

We will ask the local burbur kids to bring their BEST N BRIGHTEST as we need the LOCAL touch also involved so it's all inclusive to all clans, diaspora, interest groups. It will result in a final solution.

So the Brain drain is nonsense, we have the brains, the problem is 'different idealogies' since each back his DIASPORA. Each Somali diaspora want's to turn Somalia into a Somalia that follows their diaspora roots be it western, arabian, or african. Do you think those 'ali saleman' kids in OMAN have no relatives in PL? they fkn do sxb, they want to ensure the SOMALIA they see follows ARAB MODEL. Why u think arabs took them in and made them something so one day they can influence their nation to support arab. Same goes for the west, they take refugees like that so they rebuild them and when they go home they know they will be 'westernized'.

But I hope to raise up a generation also 'neo traditionalists' like me who have abadoned western, arabian, african models of governance and supports 'pure somali rooted' governance, even if it doesn't exist we can create it very quickly by mimicking the culture. I abadoned the western diaspora I won't lie to you, I am brave enuff to know democracy is unworkable with a nation full of baboon IQ and lack of financial independence. Infact I support the OMAN system for Somalia or the DUBAI system. So I could swing from western and arab personally myself but at the end of day I will support whatever the scientific model and measurements and results are. Basically it's all going to be measured the points against 'somalinimo haday cawinayso' which IS our HADAF.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I can see why GAAS said 'dalka ma joggo dadki lala hadli laha' remember that? he said 'cawaanki' ayaa jogga keliya. I can see why now!, I proposed the model, the talking points, the mechanism and these Somalispot guys just DISAPPEAR into fadhi ku dirir and MO G AND ILKAQAYS. You see what GAAS MEANT. This is the whole nation sxb. Way quusteen dadki wax yaqanka ah.

Gaas called out his generation and basically GAVE UP. I am calling out my generation and nearly on the verge of giving up. How long can we continue in this?

 

[DR OSMAN]

Reconciliation Method has to be scientific also. What method u suggest?

1. This is the easiest one to resolve. Looted Govt assets. We will send a fact finding mission to all government 'asset' areas and document where it is, who took it, where they are now(possibly shareholders in telecoms or overseas or a wadaad today), investigate his 'friend networks', his 'tribal influence', reach a decision if his a 'spoiler'. This will be 'across all' tribes regardless as the rule is 'government asset' where-ever it is.

2. Publish and Announce the findings to Somali-wayn. That these 100 'qiyanul' wadan are holding u back and causing tribal conflict among u, while u defend them thinking it's tribal beef. It's not his just scared he will be 'named and shamed' and isolated from Somalia We can reach a verdict to 'exile' or 'jail' or 'forgive' but 'eliminate' their influence anywhere in Somalia. They have no agenda for you sxb nor your clan nor for the nation.

3. Private properties looted. This isn't a government 'problem' it's a citizen 'problem'. It's crime basically between citizens, how this is resolved we will need to look at world wide models where 'looting' of private property occurred between citizens and how the government can handle it. Is it a 'tribal matter' and letting 'elders' deal with it? is it 'citizenry matter' letting the citizen handle it in 'local court'. This one is a very difficult one and 'strong scientific method' is needed.

4. Lost lives. This is not resolvable. We can't bring the dead back to life. We must cut our losses and accept we all suffered 'losses' like 'world war 2' for europeans. Unless of course you have better model for this, I am willing to adapt. Rwanda would be interesting to investigate but that wasn't government 'massacre' it was 'hoto jabhad' who did the tutsi genocide. It's quite different. We will need to use this for 'darods' especially the ones who were in the south at the time since it's pretty identical the effects.

5. Hargeisa 1988. Well this is big tough one. Government has a right to protect it's borders and cities from any threat inside or outside the nation. Plus Siyad didn't target one clan, he targetted all 'jabhad'. An example when SSDF was operating he 'genocided' Mudug nomads to kill off our 'suppy lines' of soldiers. He didn't attack other PL regions like nugaal-bari not that I am aware of. Plus when SSDF gave up the war and reverted to government supporters, he never attacked them again. I am sure the same would be given to USC/SNM if they did the same. I honestly do not see any wrong doing by siyad. Why doesn't Israel apologize to GAZA for bombing it holding a JABHAD attacking from civilian areas?

That's why u need to bomb the whole place with JABHAD, they hide inside the civilians and do hit n runs. Look at shabab, they know their so strong cause you won't BOMB THE CITY. If u did they would surrender. I support the bombing campaign of Hargeisa, I would've done the same thing. No love for me about moryanimo, you became 'jabhad' because you couldn't politically convince of anything siyad waryaa, which I think he was convinceable, all humans are if you approach is scientific.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I am going to hand in my father for 'interrogation' WA ABAHAY II DHALAY. He was diplomat in China as first secretary, marki dalka burburay, where did that money in the embassy go. We will investigate every embassy. Wixi abahay lagu hukumo, I will tell him, it's best for Qaranka. I think Ambassadors call the shots in Embassies, so my dad should receive a leaner sentence in comparison, but they all played a role after the nation collapsed, those embassy funds were 'looted' also and they bought investment properties. But one good note for my father, ma dhex galo siyasada manta. Tusbax buu wata, so that indicates he is bit better then WARLORDS ABDIQAYBDIID, ALI KHALIF

Anyways there are some people who took money from Somalia govt and never 'did' anything with it. Like the ambassador guy above my dad ironically an ISAAQ was packing 5 times more money then him but his 'broke' today and has nothing even tho my dad kept advising him to invest, he didn't. So just because u have nothing today and were in the old govt doesn't mean u didn't loot anything. This requires intense investigations, correlations, what funding each ministries or embassies received.

See if your not prepared to do this following the scientific method, you can't join this TEAM adeer. I am preparing my team for 20-30 years later, I won't spend my time just reporting the news of the govt of today ANYMORE and not having a plan when it's my generation time to rule. I am beginning work in this scientific section now to prepare for that time when I am 50-60 and our generation lines up from the west, because I know how to speak to them, isku jiil baan nahay.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Damn the Moryanimo in 1990 was terrible.

First the outgoing government and all their workers need intense interrogation. Start with President, VP, Ministers. I suspect the 'ministers' are multi millionaires 'back then' because I know a lowly First Secretary got at least 100k out of it which is equivalent to a 1 million today. But I am not sure if this was his 'back payments' that's why it needs investigating deeply. Ministers-Deputy Ministers-Directors would received more funds and split it 'three ways' like the 'embassy' guys split the money is my suspicion but I have no proof and needs 'fact finding' mission.

Then you got the 'warshado' and government assets inside the nation to account for. 95% of this will be hawiye since 95% of the nation was developed in South. Nothing big existed to loot in the PL. But their will be some PL who were working with the government of siyad who were in different positions that looted is my opinion. But I think the last cabinet of SIYAD wasn't heavily majerten, but they would've had majerten directors so their still involved but not at the same EXTENT.

Lama oran karo 'somali dhan ayaa burburiyay dalka' crimeska waa kala daran yihin aduunka, xitaa illahi dhinacisa 'dambiga kala wayne' ma sinna. I know for a fact there was no looting before SIYAD govt was about to fall, everyone FEARED SIYAD AS THEY WUD BE SACKED. It's when he was about to fall there was alot of embassy people abroad who were told by internal workers not to RETURN and save themselves.

We must at least deal with the ones who are still ACTIVE in the nation, kuwasi horta meel aan iska saarno, at least the previous ones don't even interfere anymore and are busy with cibaado. Its the ones who are big criminals and SENATORS ayaan ka naxsan ahay. I can estimate Ali Khalif Net worth with mareeray warshad he looted and omar carte who looted somali airlines and sold it in jeddah. Ali khalif net worth back then was 8 million at that time compared to my father measly 100k. I know my dad 100k went to a property which is 1 million now. Ali khalif wuxu geliyay 'property' iyo 'shirkado.

So mathamatically 100k translate to 1 million today, I can prove it easily with the property and how much dad put in and what it's worth now. What about Ali Khalif 8 million ka waran, u want me to do the maths for u? What about omar carte kelebka somali airline dhan iibsaday oo hargeisa lagu soo daaweysto. HARANTA KALA DARANA, BEELUHU KALA FOGGA, MA NIIN MORYAAN AH AYAA WAX WAYDINAYSA DHINACA SIYASADA WTF, ISAGO AAN CIIBAADO KU JIRIN.

Anyways 8 million mareeray net worth. 91. If Ali Khalif put that into 20 properties at that time which was 100k maximum in the west properties. U do the maths how much their worth now. The guy is hovering around 30 million easyyyyyyyyyy but he put it in somtel also which means HIGHER GROWTH. I would estimate him around 30-50 million today, waa haram lacagtasi lakin oo la hubo.

If U guys don't do something about these MORYANS. Someone will to save Somalia the GRIEF. I mean literally, it doesnt take much going to 'rahanwayn' camps and saying 'odaygasi ALI KHALIF AMA QAYBDIID GURIGISA MARKU KA SOO BAXO KU DHUFO. I DONT MIND MORYANKU OO DAHIRO OO DALKA KA FARISTO OO YIRAHDO I HAD MY TIME WAAN KU KHASAARAY AND FORGIVE ME. I RESPECT THEM, I HATE THE LORDILORD AND SIRLANCE TYPE, ONLY A BULLET CAN SOLVE THIS.

Then from 2004 till 2019, all people who were in the government and found guilty of corruption, they need another 'law' applied to them, because their looting 'donor' funds because there is no 'tax funds' lol. They are basically using your NAME with NGO or OTHER NATIONS and pocketing it for themselves or splitting it with 'saxibadooda' ama 'kooxasigooda'. This is old politics sxb, it came after siyad last govt dhaqankani which my dad says WHY DO THEY COPY US. Hence that's why I want us to set up a new style and arrangment NOW so in 20-30 years, they will be suprised by OUR GENERATION NOT EXPECTING US TO COPY THEM INTO FAILURE.

 

[DR OSMAN]

In all Honesty, Govt workers of Siyad barre wax wayn kama dhicin Somalida, it was the last few years only 89-91 period. Only 2 years bay ahayd, which is not much in terms of 'funding' his government ministries and embassies, but they did LOOT and the only reason was because they knew the govt was collapsing. They wouldn't loot if the government was still strong. Marka dhaqankani corruptionka wuxu yimada marku dawlada 'dacif' yahay ma aha marku awood lee yahay. It's a shame but we need to make the govt strong as hell inside like siyad did with SEVERE PUNISHMENTS.

Lakin 'jabhada usc' has a lot to answer for after 91 since most of the nation wealth was inside SOMALIA, ma jirin wealth badan dhinaca bananka. We didn't have large foreign reserves or international investments. Everything was inside the SOUTH. Especially Hamar to Kismayo but more so HAMAR. We can apply a corruption metrix and weigh up 89-91 period with the siyad workers, then 91 period till 2000 period. Everything waxay uu bahan tahay measurement iyo la soo ogaado meeqo lacag ay markasi ku fadhisay iyo manta meeqo ay noqon karta depending on the person who looted and how he invested either property or business. Basically 95% was in the south. 5% external only 89-91 period you would u have seen possibly looting over those 2 years.

I will work out PIE CHART ONCE I HAVE THE DATA IN FOR ALL ASSET WORTH IN 91, WHAT IT'S WORTH NOW IF INVESTED AT THAT TIME INTO BUSINESS AND PROPERTIES. I could work out how much Somalia lost with a financial figure while applying it to 'shaksi and then clan'.

I only suspect my dad did haram because why am i mentally ill? illahi meeshad jeceshahay ka 'goya' hadad haram samaysid, meel aad ugu faqanaysid ma jirto. My dad loves his kids, so guess what I become psychotic. Alla haranta naga dhowr and that was only 2 years 89-91 period with corruption. Imagine kuwa 91ka oo southka dhan dhacay iyo carurtoooda. Iska daa kuwa xaq darada dadka dilay. I am talking about just corruption guys ayaa sidan loo galaya.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Imagine the ali khalif guys? isagu beeshisa jecel yahay lakin illahi ka 'goyay' hada beeshisa malin walbo la dilaya, at least abahay carurtisa keliya uu daran not BEESHA sida ali khalif. Illahi meeshu tuuga galo ama jecel yahay ayuu ka 'goya' iska tuura moryanka somaliyay, why die for it or have ur children suffer for it in the future. Kaba daran kuwa siyasad iyo dano dibadeed ku dhex qariya kitabka alle, alla maxaa dalkani balaayo ku dhici doonta. Kuwa wadaadyasha ayaa ugu daran hada oo dhinaca diinta alla ku wareejiyay 'cadifadooda'. abahay maba geli jirin inu waxasi iyo xeerkasi gaadho.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I found out my personal family, they are clear of corruption. See I am young and am not 'familiar' with the history. But everyone waa inu ka shakiya his own family iyo haday dambi galeen waagi hore. Anyways my dad was rotated and replaced in 89 way before 91 war, so he wasn't the last 'appointee' or 'staff' in the embassy.

The last appointee and staff was a dhulbahante ambassador and apparently 400k was passed onto him from Somalia govt and no1 can account for it. His dead tho. So his family needs investigating and where that money is.

I also have to clear the 'cidagale' ambassador, he was also replaced with my father. When he left the ambassador, isaga iyo teamkisa oo abahay ku jiro basically LEFT also. That's weird in Somali politics, if you replace the TOP guy, his team below gets replaced also PLUS all the workers lol. It's nothing like the western system where all the workers STAY because they are not POLITICAL but SHAQAALE.

Anyways that 'cidagaale' guy waa halal also who was my dad ambassador, they both decided it was unsafe to return to Somalia as it was 89 and USC was on the MOVE in the south, they decided it was best to relocate for safety to Australia. End of story. That's my family. Now go do that with all families in each embassy, similar level interrogation and give us the FACTS of all.

Embassy matters are not BIG matters though in comparison to what happened inside the nation since Somalia didn't have large presence internationally in terms of 'assets or money' beyond people's 'salaries' and workers in embassy and a few 'embassy buildings' not many either as most were RENTED OUT. We are talking a nation that is only 30 years old at the time, so they didn't really MATURE OR DEVELOP MUCH to LOSE MUCH. But they got a good experience out of this destruction alhamdulilah, it's better it happened now, then say 500 years into the future.