BREAKING NEWS: Long time Communist Cuba leader Fidel Castro dead at age 90

[merka]

We're in a sea of reds ileen Lemme quick say acudubillah buncha commies.

Careful sis you're close to the border. Soon you'll be a comrade like the rest of us. :siilaanyosmile:

 

[Nin xun]

Only reason why I was pushed so far left was cuz I dont trust them multinationals

Beenta iska sxb, you want seize the memes of production too.
:siilaanyosmile:

 

[Bernie Madoff]

You're PM is a boy.

No our PM aint boy i rate him for what he said salute to JT

 

[Bahal]

Beenta iska sxb, you want seize the memes of production too.
:siilaanyosmile:

 

[merka]

 

[Canuck]

Can you imagine these retards here? They support Fidel Castro and blame Siad Barre for "starting a war".

Because they are from amusement park somaliland and simply can't differentiate between the regime(barre) and country Somalia, people hate their regimes and criticize it but normal people never hate their country. Ironically with UAE 's involvement in berbera closed the door of separation, let them bark.

 

[Haze]

While this is a conflicting issue for many, my stance has always been the humanist one. Castro showed that regardless of adversity, all men have a right to self determinism. In this I will always respect him and those who fought for his cause, regardless of the extenuating circumstances as his greater message was one for humanity to heed, and his greatest successes, the success of all human-beings. Tyranny has always been rampant, and it is with the collective human conscience that we must resist it. It is also with the collective human conscience that we must acquiesce to fundamental truths when they are presented to us, whether we understand them or not.
What Castro did is irreverent. He defied power in the face of overwhelming odds, and came out on top all the while touting the fundamental truth that is self determination. So for that, we should respect him to some capacity at the very least.

 

[Jujuman]

You think those 15000 Cuban soldiers randomly signed up to die in a semi arid plateaue in the Horn of Africa? Or were they following their soviet daddy's orders?


Also does this mean you would pardon the Cubans if they abandoned communism or do only your Arab daddies get that priveledge?

If you were aware of Cold War history in it's larger context, you'd know that Castro largely followed his own interests which was seen most evident when he sent troops to Angola to resist the Angolan right wing faction and South African incursion - this happened largely outside of Moscow's control.

The Ogaden War was one of the rare occasions post '62 where Moscow and Havana saw a mutual common interest. It certainly wasn't "Soviet Daddy" as you make out.

Albania, China, Yugoslavia and Cuba largely followed their own foreign policy. They were Communist but definitely weren't like the Satellite states of the Eastern bloc.

I believe it was a justified aggression as Ogaden is a land inhabited mostly by the Somali people.

 

[Jujuman]

Siyaad barre refused to only keep Somali galbeed. He wanted to take over all of Ethiopia

And that was the fatal mistake he made.

 

[McLovin]

If you were aware of Cold War history in it's larger context, you'd know that Castro largely followed his own interests which was seen most evident when he sent troops to Angola to resist the Angolan right wing faction and South African incursion - this happened largely outside of Moscow's control.

The Ogaden War was one of the rare occasions post '62 where Moscow and Havana saw a mutual common interest. It certainly wasn't "Soviet Daddy" as you make out.

Albania, China, Yugoslavia and Cuba largely followed their own foreign policy. They were Communist but definitely weren't like the Satellite states of the Eastern bloc.

I believe it was a justified aggression as Ogaden is a land inhabited mostly by the Somali people.

If this is true then Cuba had no imperative to intervene in the war, they were only seeking to further their ideology along with soviet union, the cunts


Imo it stopped being justified aggression the moment he entered ethiopian areas of harer, sidamo and bale. Shouldve entrenched himself in the Ogaden where the terrain would've been in our favour and ussr wouldn't have felt obligated to pick a side.

 

[Canuck]

Ethiopia always wants to annex our country

 

[McLovin]

View attachment 9376 Ethiopia always wants to annex our country

Have you analysed this text or are you taking it in face value? Let's look at the context. First there is no mention of an annexation of all somali territories because 1 they were under italian and British maamul and 2 there was no such thing as a somali country when this speech was made.

What I got from this is he was addressing a crowd of Ogadeni somalis who he was afraid of getting swept away in the wave of rising somali nationalism. Believing that a somaliweyn is not "viable standing alone" is not the same as saying ALL of Somalia is better off under our control. It means let us keep the ogaden and we can keep doing business. Which you can agree with or not.


And lastly this is not a good justification or the war of defense that you make it out to be because Haille Sellasie was already deposed by the Derg regime and the "threat" of annexation was not there anymore. Even better a fellow socialist took power who had no intention on taking over the Somali people so this existential narrative is not supported neither is Siad Barre preemptive strike into a country who had no intention of bothering us

 

[Canuck]

Have you analysed this text or are you taking it in face value? Let's look at the context. First there is no mention of an annexation of all somali territories because 1 they were under italian and British maamul and 2 there was no such thing as a somali country when this speech was made.

What I got from this is he was addressing a crowd of Ogadeni somalis who he was afraid of getting swept away in the wave of rising somali nationalism. Believing that a somaliweyn is not "viable standing alone" is not the same as saying ALL of Somalia is better off under our control. It means let us keep the ogaden and we can keep doing business. Which you can agree with or not.


And lastly this is not a good justification or the war of defense that you make it out to be because Haille Sellasie was already deposed by the Derg regime and the "threat" of annexation was not there anymore. Even better a fellow socialist took power who had no intention on taking over the Somali people so this existential narrative is not supported neither is Siad Barre preemptive strike into a country who had no intention of bothering us

He used the term "all Somalis peoples are linked to Ethiopia", denied the Somalia state. His death did not change anything, it was their country policy to get our ports. They need us economically. Also you ignored the fact that Ethiopia attacked us in1964 war and started the war. Plus it is matter of honour to fight for ancestor land.

 

[McLovin]

He used the term "all Somalis peoples are linked to Ethiopia", denied the Somalia state.

Doesn't matter. He was deposed

His death did not change anything, it was their country policy to get our ports.

Pretty sure they valued eritreas more but let's go with your theory

Also you ignored the fact that Ethiopia attacked us in1964 war and started the war.

Are you going to pull out your sources because mines say otherwise

"...Somalia's unwillingness to recognize political boundaries drawn by British, French, and Italian colonists, in conjunction with Ethiopia.

In 1960-64, for example, guerrillas supported by the Somali government battled local security forces in Kenya and Ethiopia on behalf of Somalia's territorial claims. Then, in 1964, Ethiopian and Somali regular forces clashed"

Plus it is matter of honour to fight for ancestor land

So this is what it boils down to at the end. Atleast you're being honest here. I agree British should not have partitioned our ancestral land without our consent but at the time we were stupid warring tribes too busy with eachother to have significant negotiating sway. We fought and we fought bravely but it's time to put these chauvinistic ambitions down and focus on the mkre important task that is nation building. I could swear no one would care about Ogaden anymore about if they didn't find the oilblocks

 

[Canuck]

Doesn't matter. He was deposed

Pretty sure they valued eritreas more but let's go with your theory

Are you going to pull out your sources because mines say otherwise

"...Somalia's unwillingness to recognize political boundaries drawn by British, French, and Italian colonists, in conjunction with Ethiopia.

In 1960-64, for example, guerrillas supported by the Somali government battled local security forces in Kenya and Ethiopia on behalf of Somalia's territorial claims. Then, in 1964, Ethiopian and Somali regular forces clashed"



So this is what it boils down to at the end. Atleast you're being honest here. I agree British should not have partitioned our ancestral land without our consent but at the time we were stupid warring tribes too busy with eachother to have significant negotiating sway. We fought and we fought bravely but it's time to put these chauvinistic ambitions down and focus on the mkre important task that is nation building. I could swear no one would care about Ogaden anymore about if they didn't find the oilblocks

It was not ambitions but part of identity as Somalis even our flag represented Ogaden. Second, Eritrea's small port can not be compared to ours at (Red Sea and Indian Ocean). Somalia 's location is very important for it is the link between Asia and Africa.
Third Somalia didn't made guerrilla but it was already there (the nomads Somalis who stood up for themselves)

 

[Bahal]

Let's not forget the Ethiopian invasion of Somalia in 1982.

 

[McLovin]

(the nomads Somalis who stood up for themselves)

Whatever you wanna call it. Ethiopia had a right to exercise its sovereignty over its borders from armed rebels. Are you denying the right of all countries to protect their borders? And you are making it seem like an all out war it was only a few border clashes with no significant military casualties and ended in ceasefire. Certainly doesn't make the 77 war a defensive one.

You don't have proof that post Emperor Ethiopia intended to take the Somali ports willy nilly when they could not even consolidate power on a tiny Eritrean coast. So this is mostly paranoia on your part. Just be honest and admit it, the Ogaden war may have had noble intentions but at the end it was an oppurtunist attempt to take advantage of a country going through a power crisis and score some regions off of it but instead we took too much and it ended with foreign intervention and our subsequent defeat.

 

[McLovin]

Let's not forget the Ethiopian invasion of Somalia in 1982.

We are talking about the defensive justification that led us to take part in the 77 war. So far I can't find any

 

[Igor]

The USSR besides it's reign of terror during Stalin ...

Very doubtful ... There's a lot of lies.

 

[Igor]

I'm surprised ... But I like that we start to think.