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[Rayaale]

Anti arabism is a gateway drug to apostasy.

Now hear me out on this one.
Anti Arab rhetoric =/= kufr

However there are many people out of nationalism or hatred for Arabs forgo the entire deen.

Now i ain't saying you cant criticize Arabs but its just a thing i noticed.

Yeah Abu lahb and Abu jahl were Arabs what’s your point, if you would come across a racist Pakistani or Nigerian you wouldn’t write this, Islam comes from Allah not Arabs

 

[Taintedlove]

I have observed many cases where the persons reason to leave is extreme anti Arab sentiment. Like i said an observation.

Again, that's probably just a symptom of internalizing western political ideals rather than a symptom of anti-arab sentiment. Correlation is not a causation.

 

[Soul Kaizer]

May Allah increase Somalis reading comprehension

 

[Taintedlove]

Yeah Abu lahb and Abu jahl were Arabs what’s your point, if you would come across a racist Pakistani or Nigerian you wouldn’t write this, Islam comes from Allah not Arabs

Exactly, they're all quick to be defensive and racist towards madows, timo jileecs etc but once and arab is racist, even mild criticism is call "murtad" behaviour

 

[livinlavish]

Exactly, they're all quick to be defensive and racist towards madows, timo jileecs etc but once and arab is racist, even mild criticism is call "murtad" behaviour

I hate people like that so much when a Bantu or south Asian violates somalis they be saying the most vile shit but when an arab says something bad all of a sudden they become sheikhs saying shit like "I won't curse my fellow Muslim brother" like at least give the same energy to all of them

 

[Soul Kaizer]

Yeah Abu lahb and Abu jahl were Arabs what’s your point, if you would come across a racist Pakistani or Nigerian you wouldn’t write this, Islam comes from Allah not Arabs

You cant convince people who hallucinated half your statement.

What do you want me to do? Defend a point i have never made?

 

[Rayaale]

Exactly, they're all quick to be defensive and racist towards madows, timo jileecs etc but once and arab is racist, even mild criticism is call "murtad" behaviour

We have many self hating Somalis who worship Arabs, this is a recent thing, our ancestors were proud people who had a strong culture and kept this people at arm’s length.

 

[trf]

You cant convince people who hallucinated half your statement.

What do you want me to do? Defend a point i have never made?

The point you made was that “anti Arabism is a gateway to apostasy” and that many people leave because of a “hatred for Arabs”.

How about the anti blackness in the Muslim ummah being a reason for black reverts to leave? Black people interested in Islam could see how they’re spoken about by these Arabs and decide never to join the faith. This is because you’re equating these filthy people with the faith when Islam is from Allah, not the people.

 

[Soul Kaizer]

How about the anti blackness in the Muslim ummah being a reason for black reverts to leave? Black people interested in Islam could see how they’re spoken about by these Arabs and decide never to join the faith because you’re equating these filthy people with the faith when Islam is from Allah, not the people.

That's also bad too. What you expect me to say? anti blackness is good? pushing away black people from islam is a good thing?

Like i said i have ever said anything to assume i would believe that so i gotta reiterate the obvious.

 

[trf]

That's also bad too. What you expect me to say? anti blackness is good? pushing away black people from islam is a good thing?

I just find it interesting that you never brought it up. Instead “being anti Arab makes you a murtard” is constantly brought up all the time on this forum. Who was being racially abused here? Arabs? Or black people doing charity?

 

[Soul Kaizer]

I just find it interesting that you never brought it up. Instead “being anti Arab makes you a murtard” is constantly brought up all the time on this forum. Who was being racially abused here? Arabs? Or black people doing charity?

If i gotta write a whole dissertation every time i say a opinion so someone with reading comprehension problems could understand then there is no point in speaking.

Anyways lets agree to disagree and end the convo here.

 

[kamek]

The point you made was that “anti Arabism is a gateway to apostasy” and that many people leave because of a “hatred for Arabs”.

How about the anti blackness in the Muslim ummah being a reason for black reverts to leave? Black people interested in Islam could see how they’re spoken about by these Arabs and decide never to join the faith. This is because you’re equating these filthy people with the faith when Islam is from Allah, not the people.

Yeah Abu lahb and Abu jahl were Arabs what’s your point, if you would come across a racist Pakistani or Nigerian you wouldn’t write this, Islam comes from Allah not Arabs

Exactly, they're all quick to be defensive and racist towards madows, timo jileecs etc but once and arab is racist, even mild criticism is call "murtad" behaviour

he means, that he has observed that people who have a very anti Arab stance tend to lean more into kufr/ex-muslim, he never said Islam = Arabs, but rather the people who do this slightly view it that way, and use their anti arabness to sly diss the deen, an example of this is @Hmohamed54 who made a whole thread shitting in Arabs for cousin marriages, and called the practice “disgusting” when it’s something that’s has been ordained by Allah (swt), everyone else in that thread was doing the same and calling them gross, while reiterating that’s it’s asian Muslims. I also noticed someone of you guys might sly diss the nijab/islamic modesty, for Example look at this video.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdYHFtf1/

you see how she included the niqab and insulted it? That’s anti-Islam, but she’s trying to hide it under her anti-arabism, I’ve seen countless videos like this. They kind of view a lot of Islamic practices as “arab culture” and have a dislike of certain islamic pratices, so they insult those practices while pretending their only issue is with arabs.

 

[livinlavish]

he means, that he has observed that people who have a very anti Arab stance tend to lean more into kufr/ex-muslim, he never said Islam = Arabs, but rather the people who do this slightly view it that way, and use their anti arabness to sly diss the deen, an example of this is @Hmohamed54 who made a whole thread shitting in Arabs for cousin marriages, and called the practice “disgusting” when it’s something that’s has been ordained by Allah (swt), everyone else in that thread was doing the same and calling them gross, while reiterating that’s it’s asian Muslims. I also noticed someone of you guys might sly diss the nijab/islamic modesty, for Example look at this video.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdYHFtf1/

you see how she included the niqab and insulted it? That’s anti-Islam, but she’s trying to hide it under her anti-arabism, I’ve seen countless videos like this. They view a lot of Islamic practices as “arab culture” so they insult those practices while pretending they’re only issue is with arabs.

Disliking cousin marriages doesn't make you a "kuffr",yes it's halal and not something haraam but that doesn't mean we have to like it or agree with it. And with modesty I don't think any one here has a problem with it rather they have a problem when people say stuff like the niqab is wajib etc. This is extremism and not part of islam I agree modesty is part of islam but people like twisting the hadiths to make their point stand and this is makes people distant themselves from the religion because of these extremists spreading their ideologies. Look at the gulf countries for example they spread "extremist islam" all over Africa from Nigeria to Somalia and what look what happened. It radicalised the people there and that's how these khawarij groups started. Why do you think Saudi arabia is always so eager to build and fund mosques all over Africa but not build hospitals and schools? I remember a couple of years ago women in Saudi weren't even allowed to drive cars, so let me ask you is that part of Islam or is it arab culture?

 

[trf]

he means, that he has observed that people who have a very anti Arab stance tend to lean more into kufr/ex-muslim, he never said Islam = Arabs, but rather the people who do this slightly view it that way, and use their anti arabness to sly diss the deen, an example of this is @Hmohamed54 who made a whole thread shitting in Arabs for cousin marriages, and called the practice “disgusting” when it’s something that’s has been ordained by Allah (swt), everyone else in that thread was doing the same and calling them gross, while reiterating that’s it’s asian Muslims. I also noticed someone of you guys might sly diss the nijab/islamic modesty, for Example look at this video.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdYHFtf1/

you see how she included the niqab and insulted it? That’s anti-Islam, but she’s trying to hide it under her anti-arabism, I’ve seen countless videos like this. They kind of view a lot of Islamic practices as “arab culture” and have a hatred of dislike certain islamic pratices, so they insult those practices while pretending their only issue is with arabs.

The niqab is a cultural garment. Not an obligation within islam and it was an Arab that posted that, not a Somali. Cousin marriages are also not an obligation but I agree we shouldn’t mock it. Yeah I’m sure some apostates leave after developing a hatred for Arabs but still this wasn’t about that.

Somalis and other black people are rightfully criticising them for their anti blackness. Anti Arabism shouldn’t have even been brought up.

Instead of warning Somalis or other African Muslims of anti Arabism leading to apostasy (which hasn’t been proven), how about we warn Arabs that their anti blackness could push black people away from Islam?

 

[kamek]

Disliking cousin marriages doesn't make you a "kuffr",yes it's halal and not something haraam but that doesn't mean we have to like it or agree with it. And with modesty I don't think any one here has a problem with it rather they have a problem when people say stuff like the niqab is wajib etc. This is extremism and not part of islam I agree modesty is part of islam but people like twisting the hadiths to make their point stand and this is makes people distant themselves from the religion because of these extremists spreading their ideologies. Look at the gulf countries for example they spread "extremist islam" all over Africa from Nigeria to Somalia and what look what happened. It radicalised the people there and that's how these khawarij groups started. Why do you think Saudi arabia is always so eager to build and fund mosques all over Africa but not build hospitals and schools? I remember a couple of years ago women in Saudi weren't even allowed to drive cars, so let me ask you is that part of Islam or is it arab culture?

I never said disliking cousin marriages is kufr, I too dislike cousin marriages, i much rather prefer people marry non-relatives, pay attention to the words I used “disgusting“ “gross”, thats kufr, you can’t call something halal allowed in Islam that the prophet (saw) did himself disgusting and gross. When it comes to modesty I was referring to people who in general sly diss modesty, not just in regards to niqabs but hijabs too, you’ll see alot of people glorify when their country was more western like ( Somalia included) and go on about how it was before “Arabism“ or the more bold ones go “before Islam”,and that women in the video was insulting the niqab, I was referring to her and other people who do this, the users on this thread not insulting the niqab has nothing to do with what I said, if it doesn’t apply let it fly, I was just trying to clear up the misunderstanding you guy had with him.

The rest of what you wrote is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the topic, but anyways have a nice day saxib.

 

[kamek]

The niqab is a cultural garment. Not an obligation within islam and it was an Arab that posted that, not a Somali. Cousin marriages are also not an obligation but I agree we shouldn’t mock it. Yeah I’m sure some apostates leave after developing a hatred for Arabs but still this wasn’t about that.

Somalis and other black people are rightfully criticising them for their anti blackness. Anti Arabism shouldn’t have even been brought up.

Instead of warning Somalis or other African Muslims of anti Arabism leading to apostasy (which hasn’t been proven), how about we warn Arabs that their anti blackness could push black people away from Islam?

The anti Arab to kufr pipeline is not unique to Somalis, we’re talking generally, as in people from all the Muslim world, I wasn’t just talking about the niqab, I only mentioned it because that’s what the video includes, see how I said “Islamic modesty” too? Does that not include the hijab.

i agree with the rest of what you wrote, I was just trying to clear up a misunderstanding.

 

[Daisybilaawe]

As a Muslim seeing other Muslims being oppressed hurts like what's happening in sudan UAE are funding Arab militas to kill innocent civilians or the genocide in gaza. But before any of that comes Somalia first we still have Somalis being oppressed in the Somali galbeed and whole villages being burnt to the ground but no one speaks about this even some Somalis. So that's why before I speak about what's happening in Palestine or Sudan ima speak about my own people first and donate to them first since "Charity starts from home". I won't be supporting the Zionists in killing Palestinians but I won't be out there protesting for Palestine risking my job etc.
Its always gonna be Free Somali Galbeed first before Free Sudan or Free Palestine bcus if we don't speak about it who will

Remember "Ummah" only applies to Gulf/Arabian Nations not the rest.

 

[Daisybilaawe]

The anti Arab to kufr pipeline is not unique to Somalis, we’re talking generally, as in people from all the Muslim world, I wasn’t just talking about the niqab, I only mentioned it because that’s what the video includes, see how I said “Islamic modesty” too? Does that not include the hijab.

i agree with the rest of what you wrote, I was just trying to clear up a misunderstanding.

Isn't this a Dangerous Border to attempt to trespass?

In what world is Anti-Arab eventually Kufr? Wouldn't that just be making Arabs or should I say Arabism synonymous with Islam which is the very problem and root cause of all of this.

 

[Daisybilaawe]

Anti arabism is a gateway drug to apostasy.

Now hear me out on this one.
Anti Arab rhetoric =/= kufr

However there are many people out of nationalism or hatred for Arabs forgo the entire deen.

Now i ain't saying you cant criticize Arabs but its just a thing i noticed.

I usually agree with your take but opinions like these just make Islam look like an Arab Supremacist Religion.

 

[Dagdag]

Cuqdaad levels off the chart trying to score points of women and kids being murdered by thousands and people in west bad mouthing them and giving negative PR. Have feeling it’s same people who have nothing to say about Jews and their atrocities