Be honest reer SSpot

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

Clan federalism is the cure to clan conflict that occurred in Somalia or else it will be repeat of clan power-struggle, if we ignore clan, we will repeat the same mistakes that led to the civil war. We didn't fight each other over districts or north vs south, it was pure clan driven and any govt that isn't addressing the clan factor is doomed to repeat the same mistake.

I agree we fought each other over clan loyalty, power and greed, we killed each other in mass and destroyed the nation bringing in foreign vultures who are still feeding on us to this day. We have managed to crawl back 30 years later using mitigating agreements such as 4.5 and Federalism.

Even though I am against 4.5 it was a necessary evil, it should remain until we replace it 1m1v.
The districts should be vested with the power to carry out 1m1v. I am pro-federalism but I believe the districts should have more power than they currently have now, district councils should name their own gudoomiye etc and they should have the power to carry out elections.

That way Wasiir Gamal clan won't have to wage war and kill your clan due to Deni's miscalculation and our nation won't fall into civil war circle and deadly clan competition.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

People talking about dictatorship and confederalism are equally retarded, to me you and @reer are two sides of the same coin.

Federalism is what was agreed on, and beyond that I believe in more devolution of power not to the FMS but to the district. Currently the FMS account gets funding from the FGS, I want district accounts to get funding from the FGS, since it is within the nation I see no conflict to nationalism. This is opposed to confederalism who want to basically seperate the country into mini countries, so we have 5 failed states instead of 1.

Akhi you are from cabuudwaaq, Galnus. There is nothing in common between us. You are as alien to me as someone from Korea. Marka you do you and I will worry about myself. Next step is confederation with limited FG role. Perhaps reduced to foreign affairs and defence.

 

[reer]

Akhi you are from cabuudwaaq, Galnus. There is nothing in common between us. You are as alien to me as someone from Korea. Marka you do you and I will worry about myself. Next step is confederation with limited FG role. Perhaps reduced to foreign affairs and defence.

he is a federalist. that means qoorqoor and galnusistan number one for him. ha u dhaanteeyo madaxweynihiisa.

 

[Jiron]

our problem is less political and more qabiil related, it doesn't matter what system we agree on, it will find a way to ruin it. We must address this issue as a collective group and have an honest discussion. I think we can and I think we will, it's imperative

 

[Periplus]

I see the benefits of dictatorship but knowing how power hungry Somalia’s political elite are, we’re gonna end up with someone worse than Barre.

The status quo is better than having any of our politicians get ultimate power and lead us for life.

 

[reer]

I see the benefits of dictatorship but knowing how power hungry Somalia’s political elite are, we’re gonna end up with someone worse than Barre.

The status quo is better than having any of our politicians get ultimate power and lead us for life.

barre >>> amisom.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

@TekNiKo @reer

sure federalism no one follows it to the T, but if you think no one follows it try applying for funding to a development project in our deegaan, you will get rejected by the FGS you have to go through the state level to meet the requirements, its a matter of fact !

 

[TekNiKo]

@TekNiKo @reer

sure federalism no one follows it to the T, but if you think no one follows it try applying for funding to a development project in our deegaan, you will get rejected by the FGS you have to go through the state level to meet the requirements, its a matter of fact !

Everything that UN and IC donate go to Baraxleey, Cadaado and Dhusomareeb.

Mx, Dir, Abgaal and Murusade get zilch. Thats my only opposition.

 

[reer]

Everything that UN and IC donate go to Baraxleey, Cadaado and Dhusomareeb.

Mx, Dir, Abgaal and Murusade get zilch. Thats my only opposition.

fgs is a 1st ajnabi and 2nd hawiye organization. farmajo is a figurehead. most beesha 6aad money goes through fgs. you have yourself and your tol and not much more.

 

[TekNiKo]

fgs is a 1st ajnabi and 2nd hawiye organization. farmajo is a figurehead. most beesha 6aad money goes through fgs. you have yourself and your tol and not much more.

Absolutely, this is the black pill of Somali poltiics, Beledxaawo and CW have understood this but Balanbale and Garbaharray are still waiting for handouts! Shaqaysta nacalaa this is Cabudwaaq we are tired or waiting for Hawiya we will develop.

 

[Deleted L]

Some of ya'll want Somalia to return to being under one-man dictatorship and think federalism and multiparty elections are wrong for our country. Some folk here would believe everything that happened over the last 31 years vindicates the defenders of the old MOD regime even though in reality it was this fascist dictatorship that made the Somali Republic destroyed, collapse and broken into at least two parts

I know @reer isn't the only person who thinks this

The real solution to Somalia’s long term problems is a cultural change and if history taught us anything is that cultural influence and ideas play a big role. If we can get an informed group of people to organize and if we can change the school curriculum to be Anti-Tribalist which would change the mindset of the children today, Somalia could have potential. Sadly I don’t see that happening and I don’t think it will ever happen.

 

[wheel]

I wouldnt mind a dictatorship but its clearly the wrong path because it would never work. Because there is no one powerful base of support that such a regime could rely on.
You'd need a strong base, a united, large and financially powerful clan that dominate the capital city and can supply the regime with money, militia that will allow him to control the rest of the country. Hawiye is too fractured and too small, like Darood. And if a minority member of a clan takes power and tries to play one side against eachother will also likely lead to doom.
The other solution if we rely on foreign/slave soldiers like Ismail bin sharif of Morroco who held his country together with a highly devoted slave army.

The reign of Moulay Ismail marked a high watermark for Moroccan power. His military successes are explained by the creation of a strong army, originally relying on the 'Guichs' (especially the Udaya) and on the Black Guard (or Abid al-Bukhari), black slaves who were totally devoted to him. As a result, the central power could be less reliant on tribes that often rebelled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismail_Ibn_Sharif

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Guard

 

[InaShaqalle]

@wheel why would you support something you yourself believe won't work? Bit of a contradiction ain't it

 

[NordicSomali]

it should splinter into tiny bits

 

[wheel]

@wheel why would you support something you yourself believe won't work? Bit of a contradiction ain't it

I wouldnt mind it if there was a good chance it'd work.

 

[NordicSomali]

I wouldnt mind it if there was a good chance it'd work.

for 30yrs it hasn’t worked

 

[InaShaqalle]

I wouldnt mind it if there was a good chance it'd work.

Dictatorship will never work in the long term. Nothing more than temporary band aid

 

[somalipatriot]

Somalia needs a dictator

a democratic somalia is an oxymoron.

I vote for MJ dictator since they’ve shown to be good in politics

Every Somali is eligible we all share the same ethnicity and tribe were one of the most homogeneous groups on earth consisting only of clans/subclans don’t let qabiil poison your mind politics is based on merit

 

[FBIsomalia]

Some of ya'll want Somalia to return to being under one-man dictatorship and think federalism and multiparty elections are wrong for our country. Some folk here would believe everything that happened over the last 31 years vindicates the defenders of the old MOD regime even though in reality it was this fascist dictatorship that made the Somali Republic destroyed, collapse and broken into at least two parts

I know @reer isn't the only person who thinks this

Who care what small clans think. Federal will stay.

 

[nomadmutant]

Whatever rotational system of government is called. From one clan to the next.