Be honest reer SSpot

[InaShaqalle]

Some of ya'll want Somalia to return to being under one-man dictatorship and think federalism and multiparty elections are wrong for our country. Some folk here would believe everything that happened over the last 31 years vindicates the defenders of the old MOD regime even though in reality it was this fascist dictatorship that made the Somali Republic destroyed, collapse and broken into at least two parts

I know @reer isn't the only person who thinks this

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

Walaal we need a monopoly of power. Waa in la iska adkaada if my Somali is correct. Farmaajo is too miskeen in my opinion we need a dictator that is ruthless. We need a man that will arrest kill any soldier that does isbaaro, kill rapists, kill terrorists, and traitors without asking mug. Opposition makes a 3 world country weaker. China developed with a one party state and India is a fucking shithole. Rwanda is now showing Africa democracy is what only works for miskeen cadaans who aren't armed to the core. If you give Somalis full on democratic rights, there will never be a strong government. Like it or not, nobody liked Siyaad but he kept us animals in the zoo like the zookeeper he was. BTW I'm not a kacanist just stating facts here.

 

[Zapfox1]

Federalism is the only way we won’t have a nation wide civil war again due to it meaning everyone just fucks off back to where they are from. But a one man dictator is also needed at times to control the zoo animals we know as Somalis

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

Federalism is the only way we won’t have a nation wide civil war again due to it meaning everyone just fucks off back to where they are from. But a one man dictator is also needed at times to control the zoo animals we know as Somalis

Federal doctorship it is then. Every qabiil with their own dictator but the ultimate dictator in Xamar. Nobody can go against his foreign policy or cry to the international community. I seem tribalistic being Darood saying this but trust me, most Daroods are the federalists anti central dictatorship but that ideology is what started the war and it is what's continuing the stalemate. The American system of power sharing is nice and all but we can't have it until we build an army and stop currption.

 

[Qeelbax]

Somalia needs a dictator

a democratic somalia is an oxymoron.

I vote for MJ dictator since they’ve shown to be good in politics

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

How long will that dictator last? Maybe another 30yrs max before he gets toppled. I have a solution if the 68er’s will listen.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

Dictator ? hell no
centralism ? don't care
federalism ? its what we agreed on so yes.
further devolution of power to the district level ? hell to the motherfucking yes

 

[InaShaqalle]

Dictator ? hell no
centralism ? don't care
federalism ? its what we agreed on so yes.
further devolution of power to the district level ? hell to the motherfucking yes

That's nice dude but why do you support a wannabe dictator who is a fanboy of his late uncle, a real dictator? Gee could it be because he's MX

 

[Zapfox1]

That's nice dude but why do you support a wannabe dictator who is a fanboy of his late uncle, a real dictator? Gee could it be because he's MX

He's following geedoo farmaajo even though he barely done anything for his gobol and people. Cbb and N&N will jump off a cliff if farmaajo told them too just because he's the same clan as them

 

[DR OSMAN]

@InaShaqalle We need de-centralization also, we want each town responsible for they're own development without central tyranny, it can lead to competition and ways to base-line performing districts vs non performing districts.

Put power back into the hands of the ppl at a village level, then only person to blame for they're lack of progress is themselves.

 

[Zapfox1]

@InaShaqalle We need de-centralization also, we want each town responsible for they're own development without central tyranny, it can lead to competition and ways to base-line performing districts vs non performing districts.

Put power back into the hands of the ppl at a village level, then only person to blame for they're lack of progress is themselves.

When security isn't an issue anymore, both shabelle and Juba regions will do far better than PL due to better resources. Only SL or galmudug would compete with you guys

 

[DR OSMAN]

@InaShaqalle PL has a PPP model to development. Public/Private/Partnership model and some-times donor contribution when needed. This means development requires that village to get it's house in order and set up councils that can be responsible for the management of funds allocated. They split the cost of the development across the district paying a portion/pl govt paying and sometimes donor contributions. But the driver is the 'district', if they don't get themselves organized and contribute no-one helps them in PL.

 

[Lord]

IF you really want to understand why Somalia is the way it is, look no further than UMRICA and their allies. These mf systematicly destroyed us. Also I'm pretty sure now around 150 people rule the world

 

[Lord]

@InaShaqalle We need de-centralization also, we want each town responsible for they're own development without central tyranny, it can lead to competition and ways to base-line performing districts vs non performing districts.

Put power back into the hands of the ppl at a village level, then only person to blame for they're lack of progress is themselves.

Honestly does it really matter, I understand you can make the country a little better but REALLY how much can we achieve?

 

[DR OSMAN]

Honestly does it really matter, I understand you can make the country a little better but REALLY how much can we achieve?

Rome wasn't built in a day either. Progress takes time where-as destruction takes minutes. Each district should at the very least have the following.

1. A local council that is reliable to manage development
2. Council, Diaspora and the local community members setting up development plans each 5 years.
3. Selecting projects by it's importance level and investment returned value.
4. Collecting funds locally and diaspora and then asking PL or SFG govt to pay it's portion and if necessary getting donor priority.
5. Tackle each identified area over 5 years.

I think that is the best model of development. An organized community is always more successful then a non functioning community.

It's important we measure our projects based on investment return. For example will it address water coverage outcomes, health outcomes, electricity outcomes, educational outcomes, infrastructure outcomes.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

How long will that dictator last? Maybe another 30yrs max before he gets toppled. I have a solution if the 68er’s will listen.

People talking about dictatorship and confederalism are equally retarded, to me you and @reer are two sides of the same coin.

Federalism is what was agreed on, and beyond that I believe in more devolution of power not to the FMS but to the district. Currently the FMS account gets funding from the FGS, I want district accounts to get funding from the FGS, since it is within the nation I see no conflict to nationalism. This is opposed to confederalism who want to basically seperate the country into mini countries, so we have 5 failed states instead of 1.

 

[Lord]

Rome wasn't built in a day either. Progress takes time where-as destruction takes minutes. Each district should at the very least have the following.

1. A local council that is reliable to manage development
2. Council, Diaspora and the local community members setting up development plans each 5 years.
3. Tackling those plans step by step by seeking funds locally and thru diaspora
4. Speaking to PL or SFG govt to pay it's portion and if necessary getting donor priority.

I think that is the best model of development

I like many of ur ideas, but animals that don't adapt die out or live in misery.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

Rome wasn't built in a day either. Progress takes time where-as destruction takes minutes. Each district should at the very least have the following.

1. A local council that is reliable to manage development
2. Council, Diaspora and the local community members setting up development plans each 5 years.
3. Selecting projects by it's importance level and investment returned value.
4. Collecting funds locally and diaspora and then asking PL or SFG govt to pay it's portion and if necessary getting donor priority.
5. Tackle each identified area over 5 years.

I think that is the best model of development. An organized community is always more successful then a non functioning community.

Districts should have power to election Senators, Peoples house representatives, security, tax, special geographic interest powers, and account where FGS can deposit directly into bypassing FMS.

We have to identify the underlining issue in Somalia, 4.5 mitagted it, federalism just took some of it from Mogadishu and created mini-mogadishu all over the country, the solution can only be worked on when we accept the problem is clan loyalty and we have to establish what people identify with not fake clans like kaballa. Districts is the closest administrative boundary that clans can actually form majority, not in provinces and not in FMS.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

That's nice dude but why do you support a wannabe dictator who is a fanboy of his late uncle, a real dictator? Gee could it be because he's MX

 

[DR OSMAN]

Districts should have power to election Senators, Peoples house representatives, security, tax, special geographic interest powers, and account where FGS can deposit directly into bypassing FMS.

We have to identify the underlining issue in Somalia, 4.5 mitagted it, federalism just took some of it from Mogadishu and created mini-mogadishu all over the country, the solution can only be worked on when we accept the problem is clan loyalty and we have to establish what people identify with not fake clans like kaballa. Districts is the closest administrative boundary that clans can actually form majority, not in provinces and not in FMS.

Clan federalism is the cure to clan conflict that occurred in Somalia or else it will be repeat of clan power-struggle, if we ignore clan, we will repeat the same mistakes that led to the civil war. We didn't fight each other over districts or north vs south so implementing those solutions will only lead us down the path of another civil war, our civil war was clan driven and any govt that isn't addressing the clan factor is doomed to repeat the same mistake.