OPINION Banadir should join Hirshabelle

[InaShaqalle]

@Kheyre is there any chance we just dismantle the FMSs and we go back to the old regions that existed before 1991? Our region Hiiraan is more than capable of being a stand alone region.

 

[Macawisley]

@Kheyre is there any chance we just dismantle the FMSs and we go back to the old regions that existed before 1991? Our region Hiiraan is more than capable of being a stand alone region.

Federalism is here to stay Adeer, we are lucky to have a state called Hirshabeelle. We Hiiraanians are not anti federalists like some people who benefited from the illegal 18 regions that wasn’t even passed by Parliament and a dictator named it for his loyal clans.

Anyways, Hiiraan region and Middle Shabelle Region are very fertile lands, while Middle Shabelle has 230kms of Coastline. Hiiraan and Middle Shabelle must remain one and accomodate each other. Inshallah we will build a local port in Cadale for our state to use.


Very great potential look at these lands


We are missing a key port, we must accomodate one another. Hirshabelle will exist and will continue to exist inshallah.

I am not a fan of Hiiraan being it’s own region.

 

[InaShaqalle]

@Kheyre that was great to read, very reassuring. We just need to have a stable long term agreement on power sharing within our state's political system. Me personally I want Beledweyne to be the state capital

PS are you Axmed Madaxweyne

 

[Macawisley]

@Kheyre that was great to read, very reassuring. We just need to have a stable long term agreement on power sharing within our state's political system. Me personally I want Beledweyne to be the state capital

Inshallah, the power sharing will be corrected. Hiiraan has 67 MPs out of 99 in Hirshabelle State. If we just unite politically and hold a inclusive conference in Beledweyne as Reer Hiiraan once an agreement has been reached and reconcilation happpens, We can then instruct the MPs that represent the region in Hirshabelle to pass a motion in parliament and move capital, they need exactly 67 votes. It will happen mostly after federal elections or slightly before.

If Hiiraan sees eye to eye politically always they literally control and dominate this region at all times. It’s sad the former President Farmaajo tried to create animosity between Hawadle and other Reer Hiiraan clans and he failed and even he tried isku dir with Abgaal and it didn’t work on him. He did this all so he can select pro-Farmaajo senators and Alhamdulilah he failed! He didn’t even get 1 vote from Hirshabelle.

Sanbalolshe explains for a quick minute how the state is currently in a way where it can function in its current state.

 

[Gantaal97]

Federalism is here to stay Adeer, we are lucky to have a state called Hirshabeelle. We Hiiraanians are not anti federalists like some people who benefited from the illegal 18 regions that wasn’t even passed by Parliament and a dictator named it for his loyal clans.

Anyways, Hiiraan region and Middle Shabelle Region are very fertile lands, while Middle Shabelle has 230kms of Coastline. Hiiraan and Middle Shabelle must remain one and accomodate each other. Inshallah we will build a local port in Cadale for our state to use.


Very great potential look at these lands


We are missing a key port, we must accomodate one another. Hirshabelle will exist and will continue to exist inshallah.

I am not a fan of Hiiraan being it’s own region.

I don't think tribal federalism is great for you guys and you know that well.

If you want an actual federalism it could be based on the old 14 regions (excluding Somaliland) in the south with every region having devolved power and elected assembly and Governor by that way Qabayaled would be removed from the framework of the Somalian politics.

 

[InaShaqalle]

@Gantaal97 we have to be realistic, the 5 FMS are not going anywhere and major clans won't accept them being broken up. Only little clans like MX and Murusade oppose the current existence of the federal states

 

[wheel]

I don't think tribal federalism is great for you guys and you know that well.

If you want an actual federalism it could be based on the old 14 regions (excluding Somaliland) in the south with every region having devolved power and elected assembly and Governor by that way Qabayaled would be removed from the framework of the Somalian politics.

You think tribal federalism is bad for the country but yet support your tribe breaking up said country for tribal reasons.

 

[Gantaal97]

You think tribal federalism is bad for the country but yet support your tribe breaking up said country for tribal reasons.

Another qorbajoog kid who doesn't know what he or her is talking about kkk

Somaliland is a Qaran country founded by the locals of Somaliland whatever their clan is.

Somaliland was one of the two Somali entities the formed the old Somali Republic or the union of Somalia and the southern elites taking everything and not giving equal fair share to power to the northerners as we are taken for granted but no in 1991 we restored our independence we will never go back again to that failed tribal infested nation.

 

[Gantaal97]

@Gantaal97 we have to be realistic, the 5 FMS are not going anywhere and major clans won't accept them being broken up. Only little clans like MX and Murusade oppose the current existence of the federal states

It's actually only 2 FMS and you who they're as they share same qabil and it's known most southern clans don't agree with this kind of federal type which isn't the true decentralized version Somalia needs

 

[Rocktheboat]

and not giving equal fair share to power to the northerners

And that's where you go wrong. You're like 20% of the population of Somalia, you'll never get an equal share

 

[Dark Energy]

And that's where you go wrong. You're like 20% of the population of Somalia, you'll never get an equal share

Or recognition.

 

[wheel]

Another qorbajoog kid who doesn't know what he or her is talking about kkk

Somaliland is a Qaran country founded by the locals of Somaliland whatever their clan is.

Somaliland was one of the two Somali entities the formed the old Somali Republic or the union of Somalia and the southern elites taking everything and not giving equal fair share to power to the northerners as we are taken for granted but no in 1991 we restored our independence we will never go back again to that failed tribal infested nation.

Somaliland of the 60's ceased to exist in the 1960, legal technicalities be damned, no body cares about some details like whether it got ratified by parliament or not, or if today the gov in the south controls, because, hell, it doesnt control 90% of the country. The reality on the ground was you joined Somalia and are still part of it like the rest of the country is, and today you wish to break off tribal reasons.
And the only reason those tribes sat down in 1991 and agreed to Somaliland was because they wanted peace, today most of them prefer not to be under Somaliland, for tribal reasons.
That's the bottom line. Almost everything is motivated by tribe in Somalia.

 

[Gantaal97]

And that's where you go wrong. You're like 20% of the population of Somalia, you'll never get an equal share

Tbh it was our fault we rushed for the union and threatened our politicians lives of they don't bring the union that's why our politicians never put any conditions into negotiating table and btw southern politicians weren't keen for united Somali state as they wanted it to happen 5-10 years we soon realized that mistake a year later when we rejected the new constitution referendum and the failed coup in 1961

 

[Gantaal97]

Somaliland of the 60's ceased to exist in the 1960, legal technicalities be damned, no body cares about some details like whether it got ratified by parliament or not, or if today the gov in the south controls, because, hell, it doesnt control 90% of the country. The reality on the ground was you joined Somalia and are still part of it like the rest of the country is, and today you wish to break off tribal reasons.
And the only reason those tribes sat down in 1991 and agreed to Somaliland was because they wanted peace, today most of them prefer not to be under Somaliland, for tribal reasons.
That's the bottom line. Almost everything is motivated by tribe in Somalia.

Isn't because of peace why we restored our independence is because of how southerners managed the country from the 60s upto 90s throwing the nation into abyss and chaos.

When SNM USC and other opposition groups agreed to run the country as partners during transitional period as faction of USC went against that and boom a power struggle happened in the south between the factions and it is during that time the northern people decided to restore our independence and govern ourselves while those southern factions can keep fighting when international community hosts them in hotels in various countries begging them to end the bloodshed while northerner people who had nothing were able to host 100s of inter clan conferences on how to build our new nation Somaliland which the south should have learned from us as things could have been different for them from now.

 

[wheel]

Isn't because of peace why we restored our independence is because of how southerners managed the country from the 60s upto 90s throwing the nation into abyss and chaos.

When SNM USC and other opposition groups agreed to run the country as partners during transitional period as faction of USC went against that and boom a power struggle happened in the south between the factions and it is during that time the northern people decided to restore our independence and govern ourselves while those southern factions can keep fighting when international community hosts them in hotels in various countries begging them to end the bloodshed while northerner people who had nothing were able to host 100s of inter clan conferences on how to build our new nation Somaliland which the south should have learned from us as things could have been different for them from now.

I'm not saying you isaaqs weren't justified, but dont act like you weren't movitated to secede because it was clear you fought under the umbrella of a clan jabhad and as a clan agreed it was the best option for your clan's interests at the time.
I mean there's no great shame in it, and somali clans today chose federalism for similar reasons. I just find your position hypocritical.

 

[InaShaqalle]

And that's where you go wrong. You're like 20% of the population of Somalia, you'll never get an equal share

You know they'll never accept less than at least 50% of power sharing (cabinet and parliamentary seats) along with both the capital and presidency. In short give them everything or no reunion

Probably better to just cut them loose, less headache

 

[Gantaal97]

I'm not saying you isaaqs weren't justified, but dont act like you weren't movitated to secede because it was clear you fought under the umbrella of a clan jabhad and as a clan agreed it was the best option for your clan's interests at the time.
I mean there's no great shame in it, and somali clans today chose federalism for similar reasons. I just find your position hypocritical.

Lol Somaliland wouldn't have exist or achieved the the level it is now without the people from Awdal Boorama who hosted the grand conference that put road map for the reestablishment of state institution a new selected parliament , elected civilian govt to replace the weak SNM interim govt to oversee the transitional period and the preparation of new democratic constitution that will transition Somaliland into multiparty democratic nation with laws and orders. That's why Boorama is known as the mother city of Somaliland as it was them who designed the flag and wrote the anthem

 

[wheel]

Lol Somaliland wouldn't have exist or achieved the the level it is now without the people from Awdal Boorama who hosted the grand conference that put road map for the reestablishment of state institution a new selected parliament , elected civilian govt to replace the weak SNM interim govt to oversee the transitional period and the preparation of new democratic constitution that will transition Somaliland into multiparty democratic nation with laws and orders. That's why Boorama is known as the mother city of Somaliland as it was them who designed the flag and wrote the anthem

Folks weren't all that interested in secession, there was a dhulo garaad that even brought up the idea, 7 years later he threw his lot with Puntland. If he really believed in Somaliland and even came up with the idea in 91,then why would he join puntland 7 years later?
Folks across the north were sick of fighting for 9 years continuously and just wanted peace more than anything else. Even some of the Daroods who were harshly against seccession in 98 became more pro somaliland as it benefited their sub clan interests more. I believe with the resurgence of a unified, stable and strong somali state some galbeed folks like reer awdal will be bailing, and as for the darood it's a given.

 

[Gantaal97]

Folks weren't all that interested in secession, there was a dhulo garaad that even brought up the idea, 7 years later he threw his lot with Puntland. If he really believed in Somaliland and even came up with the idea in 91,then why would he join puntland 7 years later?
Folks across the north were sick of fighting for 9 years continuously and just wanted peace more than anything else. Even some of the Daroods who were harshly against seccession in 98 became more pro somaliland as it benefited their sub clan interests more. I believe with the resurgence of a unified, stable and strong somali state some galbeed folks like reer awdal will be bailing, and as for the darood it's a given.

That Dhulo garaad with his decision is because he wasn't satisfied of how power shared between all clans and his clan particularly not getting VP post which went to Gadabursi for 2nd time in 1997.

Somaliland belongs to everyone especially reer Boorama and whatever happens in the south won't change their mind as there's only 2.5 system in Xamar where 2 clans share the power nah sorry you can keep your somalia while we keep ours.

 

[wheel]

That Dhulo garaad with his decision is because he wasn't satisfied of how power shared between all clans and his clan particularly not getting VP post which went to Gadabursi for 2nd time in 1997.

Somaliland belongs to everyone especially reer Boorama and whatever happens in the south won't change their mind as there's only 2.5 system in Xamar where 2 clans share the power nah sorry you can keep your somalia while we keep ours.

With folks like you, Gantaal, advocating for a strong unitary somali i have no doubt 4.5 system and federalism will die off.