Balkanization of Somalia will be worse than the current situation

[menowaawaa]

It’s not that unlikely unfortunately, but inshallah we never go through anything like it again

what would be the catalyst then? some kind of conflict from this years elections?

 

[convincation]

what would be the catalyst then? some kind of conflict from this years elections?

There’s already catalysts saaxib, in every corner. There’s like 10 potential conflicts tht can spike into a second civil war and the only thing stopping it from happening (dawladnino Iyo somalinimo) is loosing respect day by day

 

[Xanibacal bin Barqa]

They wouldn’t be able to do it, a large chunk of Somalia is sufi and shababs principles are based on wahabism. Plus if one qabil supports shabab the rival of that qabil will naturally be anti shabab to keep the rivalry going

I understand that but ,how you gonna face wave after wave of brainwashed suicidal maniacs who believe they will go to heaven and wed virgins if they die fighting "murtards" , without outside help .
i think the only thing stopping them right now is the American drones and amisom.

 

[Galmudug-State]

[USER=13401]@Galmudug-State[/USER
@Pwyneth Galtrow you guys agree with him?

Nobody takes a buun seriously.

 

[Galmudug-State]

I have only talked to my grandfather once in my life. I was around 5 years old and he told me to work hard in school and educate myself.

A few weeks later my father disappeared from the house , i found out he was in his room for 2 days straight. My grandfather was dead, killed alongside his maid and 2 of my baby cousins by terrorists.

My grandfather was a high ranking member of the government, i won't go into details but he has a wiki page and all.

A few weeks before he was assassinated i remember arguments between my dad and my grandfather, my dad was adamant that he should go to Dubai. Dubai would grant him a visa and he could rent a home through our great late aunt. My dad offered to pay everything.

But My grandfathers answer was simple, "What for?, have i lost all dignity?".

My grandfather died for Somalia even though generations of our family was raised in Aden. He died for it even though in 2005 the government was non-existent. He died for it when it was easy to not.

Patriotism is not standing with your country when its strong but also standing with it when it's at its worst point. A true patriot will not give up on the Ideal, the ideal of a Somali nation where all men and women are equal and free, unburdened by radical Islamists, tribalists and foreign invaders.

I support my grandfathers dream and what he died for.

Your story doesn't add up.

You say that your grandfather was killed by terrorist in Mogadishu in 2005. But Somalia had no government in 2005, especially in Mogadishu. The city was run by local clan leaders like Abdiqeybdiid etc.

I think you mean that your grandfather was killed in Mogadishu after 2006. When Ethiopian troops invaded Somalia and captured Mogadishu. Meaning your grandfather collaborated with the Ethiopians. A traitor definitely not a patriot. Driven by Daroodnism to murder the local Hawiye population of Mogadishu. Its funny how you mask your family's tribalism with patriotism. Very weird.

If your grandfather was working with the Ethiopians than I am happy that he got killed because that probably saved a lot more innocent lives before he killed more people.

You are Warsengali. I hate to be rude but leave us alone, we don't want your patriotism. You hail from a bottom feeder clan. Only a fool will seek Somalimo with your kind. You are nothing but a parasite. The day your people pay tax to Somalia instead of Somaliland will we care to listen to your nonsense.

 

[Ferrari]

Everyone knows balkanization is worse but I say collective misery than seeing a system that benefits some and marginalizes others.

#balkanizeZoumalia

 

[mr steal your naag]

Everyone knows balkanization is worse but I say collective misery than seeing a system that benefits some and marginalizes others.

#balkanizeZoumalia

Sxb welcome back. We got this mx nigga preaching about somalis should stick together And you got this warsengli guy invested in everything below jowhar

 

[Galmudug-State]

In federalism/confederacy there will be winners and losers. Just like in Siad Barre regime langaabs were winners and powerful clans were punished. Siad Barre himself was from a langaab tribe so could not sustain his rule forever.

Farmajoo doesn't have a chance because he is langaab, supported by langaabs such as that Warsengali kid. He has destroyed any hopes of the idea of Somalimo. He has made the Somali people more tribal minded and placed people in that pre-1991 mind-set. In Farmajoos 4 years of rule he has given everything to Gedo people and nothing to others.

 

[Ferrari]

Sxb welcome. We got this mx nigga preaching about somalis should stick together And you got this warsengli invested in everything below jowhar

add to that dhulos who stage demonstrations from Las caanood screaming "free gedo" only to get locked up in their own city and never fight against that.

it's like we are in a bizarre universe where animals talk and time moves backwards and common sense is out of the window.

 

[Jungle]

I have only talked to my grandfather once in my life. I was around 5 years old and he told me to work hard in school and educate myself.

A few weeks later my father disappeared from the house , i found out he was in his room for 2 days straight. My grandfather was dead, killed alongside his maid and 2 of my baby cousins by terrorists.

My grandfather was a high ranking member of the government, i won't go into details but he has a wiki page and all.

A few weeks before he was assassinated i remember arguments between my dad and my grandfather, my dad was adamant that he should go to Dubai. Dubai would grant him a visa and he could rent a home through our great late aunt. My dad offered to pay everything.

But My grandfathers answer was simple, "What for?, have i lost all dignity?".

My grandfather died for Somalia even though generations of our family was raised in Aden. He died for it even though in 2005 the government was non-existent. He died for it when it was easy to not.

Patriotism is not standing with your country when its strong but also standing with it when it's at its worst point. A true patriot will not give up on the Ideal, the ideal of a Somali nation where all men and women are equal and free, unburdened by radical Islamists, tribalists and foreign invaders.

I support my grandfathers dream and what he died for.

A high ranking darood government official in xamar? 2005?

 

[Patron]

Centralism is the way. How can you divide the one the most homogenous people on the planet with the same culture and religion. All because of of who your forefather is. Doing that equates to 68iq

 

[Wir]

Rome wasn't built in a day, 10 years nearly all of Southern Somalia was controlled by Alshabab including Kismaayo. now we are seeing the rebirth of the nation.

FGS is strongest party in Somalia both financially and militarily.

The Rome analogy for Somalia

 

[Spartan]

All this just cuz you can’t hold your own and want to leech off of others

 

[Calaf]

Its sad to say this, but reality is, with Somalia, we are a testing ground for political systems. Federalism doesn't work, there isn't true Federalism. 3.5 Puppets and 1 1/2 self autonomous states, JSL and the question of Banadir. Centralism Doesn't work, theocracy has been attempted. Communism came and left, then dictatorship doesn't work. Even Anarchy doesn't work. What works then? What should we try next, monarchy? Oligarchy?

Every man for themselves, may the strongest survive.

 

[Kanan]

Example of a council would be one guy from each of these clans : MJ,HG, MX, Abgaal, OG, Raxanweyn plus one for small daroods, one for small dir clans and one from beelaha shanaad like Bantus and reer xamar.

So basically a supreme revolutionary council like Kacaan.

What could possibly go wrong.

 

[Kanan]

In federalism/confederacy there will be winners and losers. Just like in Siad Barre regime langaabs were winners and powerful clans were punished. Siad Barre himself was from a langaab tribe so could not sustain his rule forever.

Farmajoo doesn't have a chance because he is langaab, supported by langaabs such as that Warsengali kid. He has destroyed any hopes of the idea of Somalimo. He has made the Somali people more tribal minded and placed people in that pre-1991 mind-set. In Farmajoos 4 years of rule he has given everything to Gedo people and nothing to others.

While I kinda agree with your assessment on the sinister and unpatriotic nature of the Marhan clan, you are wrong on Gedo. Siad Barre & Farmajo barely added anything to Gedo region except for settling them on large numbers there.


I'm always wary when a Marehan speaks about unity or central system as they have a tract record of abusing it throughout history. Patriotism to most Marehan is a platform to install another dictator and call him Abo.


Most Marehan doubled down on Barre's discriminatory policies that lead to Somali rebellion just to keep the preferential treatment they enjoyed during Kacaan reign.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Then why are your people doing tahriib? Half of the somalis in Libya are Landers.
LoL.
Geeljires comparing buildings Always make me laugh.
Anyway I'm not from Gedo Saaxiib . We don't only live in Gedo lol

Waryaa stop blaming 'geeljires' for Isaaq silly FKD. Puntland compares 'infrastructure now' we left the days of boasting about hotels in 2010, but now talking about 'massive highways' like El-dahir to Erigavo, new trade frontiers into DDSI like Galdogob to Garacaad and obviously our 'crown jewel' a new $180 million dollar port at Garacad.

Nigga Puntland next boasting session is going to be about 'sidewalks' and 'kerbs' in each of our major cities', more road networks inside cities, street name and numbering address, postal services into Puntland from the world. We are focusing on drainage and sanitation infrastructure. Sxb when u say 'geeljires' please stop including all Somalis for Isaaq comments towards you.

Puntland for the past 10 years has built real infrastructure and looking to complete HDI indicators of 'education and health' across all our population. We are the only real operating government in Somalia that delivers services to the people.

Hargeisa has no public services and behind in all infrastructure and HDI indicators, they don't even have tap water done for half it's city, where-as Bosaso is bringing down electricity cost to 0.30 cent per KW by adding a new solar panels plants.

We have big plans for Puntland niyahow and we are seriously over the stupid silly 'arguments' in Somalia, anagu waxan uu tashanay dhulkeena iyo dadkeena to complete infrastructure projects and deliver health/education services to increase Puntland score in HDI.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Som we want PL not to waste precious time in political is-gabgabsi and complete health and education outcomes that need to be reached. We need a robust infrastructure program from roads-drainage-sewage in our cities and across regional puntland. We want water-food security met. We want PL inay uu eekato dawlad qaran ah oo bixinayso adeegyo qaran.

The only thing missing from our regional profile success was to build a 'port' and we are doing that now. We are creating roads that are 280 kilometers long in Sanaag without any funding from overseas. Puntland wa 'Dawlad qaran' sidan gabi anyways oo wax kasto iskaga filan oo dadkeeda iyo dawladeeda keliya uu bahan.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

I am one of the laangaabs who is against Somali balkanizations, I don't think it is a good idea, I am also against Somaliweyn, but Somalia I am happy with just Somalia, using a federal model.

Right now we have issue with parasite state PL kicking up sand and causing disruptions in the FMS and with the FGS, those issues will be resolved amicable inshallah.

JL will get a new admin representative of its majority population and inshallah once south Somalia gets its mess in order, we can focus on negotiations with SL.

 

[Som]

@Som we want PL not to waste precious time in political is-gabgabsi and complete health and education outcomes that need to be reached. We need a robust infrastructure program from roads-drainage-sewage in our cities and across regional puntland. We want water-food security met. We want PL inay uu eekato dawlad qaran ah oo bixinayso adeegyo qaran.

The only thing missing from our regional profile success was to build a 'port' and we are doing that now. We are creating roads that are 280 kilometers long in Sanaag without any funding from overseas. Puntland wa 'Dawlad qaran' sidan gabi anyways oo wax kasto iskaga filan oo dadkeeda iyo dawladeeda keliya uu bahan.

Bro you are the guy who advocated for PL to be a monarchy over the rest of Somalia. While I completely disagree with tye monarchy thing i believe that more involvement of PL in somali politics can help stabilizing Somalia. You can develop your region and at the same help with the stabilization of Somalia. I wouldn't mind if a strong stable PL helped or even ruled Somalia, I want the best outcome for somalia as a whole