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[Sophisticate]

Wait, fiqishini have tested as T-M70?

Like @Pioneer said it's too premature to make definitive claims as there was only one so far.

 

[anonimo]

Does it tell you the timeline between the subclans ?

Sorry for the late reply.

Not yet. Only once the analysis is done.

Do we have any info on the T among Hawiyes? There was a study a while back where a Hawiye dude in Jabuuti completely stood out from the Isaaqs and Dirs with T:

Made me think he might have possessed a more native Horn form of T-L208 like what's found in Sudan and Ethiopia.

The above Hawiye T sample is closer to the Surre Dir STR's than the Ciise-Gadabursi-Isaaq STR's currently available. Like Soph said, most Hawiyes on 23andme etc. are not T. Furthermore, the above STR tree does not include any Isaaq T's, just E-V32 Isaaqs in Djibouti who overwhelmingly hail from the Abokor Sacad Muuse and are mainly E-V32.

As things stand, it appears that T is dominant among certain Dir subclans. However, we are only going by diaspora Somalis who get tested and they are not exactly representative of all Somali subclans etc.

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

SOMALI TRIBES IN ERITREA

 

[anonimo]

@Alexis @Awbarre

Need a favour guys.

The preliminary SNP's matched with the new Surre sample are now displayed in the SNP matches section.

I am able to roughly estimate how distant the two Surre samples are from each other going by their preliminary matched SNP's. Their TMRCA, for the moment, looks like it is around the same time our subclade was formed. Could you guys please tell me how many SNP's you share, and assumed shared, with the new Surre sample?

 

[Arabsiyawi]

@Alexis @Awbarre

Need a favour guys.

The preliminary SNP's matched with the new Surre sample are now displayed in the SNP matches section.

I am able to roughly estimate how distant the two Surre samples are from each other going by their preliminary matched SNP's. Their TMRCA, for the moment, looks like it is around the same time our subclade was formed. Could you guys please tell me how many SNP's you share, and assumed shared, with the new Surre sample?

 

[anonimo]

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Thanks.

My theory that clan identities which existed before the adoption of Islam are most likely confederacies appears to be true in the case of the two Surre samples. The new Surre sample is closer to you guys than he is to the first Surre sample at the moment. It is early days and I am hypothesising based on the preliminary data.

 

[Arabsiyawi]

Thanks.

My theory that clan identities which existed before the adoption of Islam are most likely confederacies appears to be true in the case of the two Surre samples. The new Surre sample is closer to you guys than he is to the first Surre sample at the moment. It is early days and I am hypothesising based on the preliminary data.

Seems like I’m just as close to Awbarre as I am to my fellow Ishaaqs. Interesting.

 

[Pioneer]

SOMALI TRIBES IN ERITREA

I used wonder, where you get all the crazy idea, about the lost Somali Clans in

Eritrea, Sudan and Ethiopia. But, now i know, after watching the videos makes sense.

I especially liked the Saho Videos, i could hear the kids speak some Somali like "mi magacayga"

"My name is" It seems the Saho kept most of the Cushitic culture.

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

I used wonder, where you get all the crazy idea, about the lost Somali Clans in

Eritrea, Sudan and Ethiopia. But, now i know, after watching the videos makes sense.

I especially liked the Saho Videos, i could hear the kids speak some Somali like "mi magacayga"

"My name is" It seems the Saho kept most of the Cushitic culture.

Arap Sh Isaaq are originally Saho. The biggest saho tribe is called Erob Saho. Both Arap and Saho are EV22.

 

[Pioneer]

@Mujahid Nur Marehan

It makes sense, we were only isolated from Non Muslims, but not from Muslim Tribes in the
horn of Africa, especially during Jihad and Ahmed Guray timeline.

 

[Arabsiyawi]

Arap Sh Isaaq are originally Saho. The biggest saho tribe is called Erob Saho. Both Arap and Saho are EV22.

Irob are orthodox Christians, nothing in common with somalis

@Mujahid Nur Marehan

It makes sense, we were only isolated from Non Muslims, but not from Muslim Tribes in the
horn of Africa, especially during Jihad and Ahmed Guray timeline.

No, Irob might speak Saho as a language but are Orthodox Christians and are culturally Tigrayan. There’s legit no proof of any Somali tribe settling or founding any Eritrean tribe/ethnic group

 

[Pioneer]

@Alex Yeah, I saw that, they live in Tigray/Erirea border and are Christians.

 

[Pioneer]

There is a Marehan sub clan called Radamir Amareir. Is Radamir Somali word and what does it mean in Somali?

We will know a lot more about, who is related to who when big Y testing becomes cheap in few years
inshaAllaah,

 

[Awbarre]

@Alexis @Awbarre

Need a favour guys.

The preliminary SNP's matched with the new Surre sample are now displayed in the SNP matches section.

I am able to roughly estimate how distant the two Surre samples are from each other going by their preliminary matched SNP's. Their TMRCA, for the moment, looks like it is around the same time our subclade was formed. Could you guys please tell me how many SNP's you share, and assumed shared, with the new Surre sample?

Looks like @Alexis beat me to it. I'll post mine now.

Keep updating us. I'm no where near as informed about the select details of the subclades as you guys are.

Thanks for the information.

 

[Awbarre]

@anonimo
@Alexis

 

[Libaax-Joore]

@Alexis you are either gudubirse or habar yonis you and @Awbarre share ancestors 1000 year ago

 

[Arabsiyawi]

@Alexis you are either gudubirse or habar yonis you and @Awbarre share ancestors 1000 year ago

I share the same number of SNPs with both so I think it is unlikely. What if Gadabuursis are actually Isaaqs ?

 

[Libaax-Joore]

I share the same number of SNPs with both so I think it is unlikely. What if Gadabuursis are actually Isaaqs ?

Hey am testing my inlaw habar yonis muse caare damal muse will see what they get it

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

I think Isaaq used to claim Bini Isreal and were Christian before Islam. Marehan Garaad was also Christian Hirabu Goita Tedros and he used to claim Amaanreir Isaaq.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

I think Isaaq used to claim Bini Isreal and were Christian before Islam. Marehan Garaad was also Christian Hirabu Goita Tedros and he used to claim Amaanreir Isaaq.

Is your result in yet