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[Jujuman]

My point is in the fucking OP and all of my posts in here you blind child.

So you believe a Somali is defined by their acceptance of Islam I believe it's solely down to ones genetics let's just leave it at that.

In fact, I think I can guess what Ethnic group you consider Atheists to be - Communist

 

[Lord Flacko]

So you believe a Somali is defined by their acceptance of Islam I believe it's solely down to ones genetics let's just leave it at that.

In fact, I think I can guess what Ethnic group you consider Atheists to be - Communist

Sometimes I wonder if Somalis truly are dumb negroids. Grow up in the western world with all that free education yet they can't comprehend what they read for shit.


Either read my countless respones to your silly shit or don't fucking comment.

 

[VixR]

This thread begs the question, what are UnSomali Somali Atheists that are Somali?

The whole basis of the stance in your post (that you're opposed to) is in response to "UnSomali" Atheists being told they're no longer Somalis for having left Islam.

 

[Lord Flacko]

The question is did Somalis exist before Islam or did Somalis rise as a group because of the advent of Islam? Therefore is it correct for an Atheist to say he wants to go back to before Islam, when there is no written history of us (Somalis) during that period?

Any other debate is not for this thread.

Arabs, Pakis and Afghans merge their culture with Islam moreso than us. Arabs and Afghans with the tents that got assosciated with Islam and got picked up by some Somalis which is rather sad, and also the Pakis with their honour killings which they profess to do because of religion. Us Somalis are on the far left of the extremes, though when we do copy them it becomes disasterous.

I'm talking about the Somali identity and culture we have today. I believe in started and rose alongside Islam. Before that we were not "Somalis" (proto-Somalis is another more fitting name) and not much is known about them except for some trade which we have continued. Before that again we were Puntites but that deserves more in depth studying imo.

I've seen far to many argue that we should go back to before Islam, but they never fully seem to know what that is or entails. Imo it would be better to argue for "moving forwards" instead.

How? Im talking about the formation of the Somali identity and modern culture. The ancient Romans weren't Italians. Somali (the name itself) wasn't mentioned until after Islam, Hawiya was mentioned in the 11th century as the first mention of any Somali people. Our most known history is after Islam when we had several Sultanates, Kingdoms and waged military conquests throughout the Horn of Africa. Anything before Islam isn't Somali as Somali and Somalis didn't exist then. They were Proto-Somalis of whom we know almost nothing about, our the Puntities who came before them, of whom we know almost nothing of.

The Vikings weren't Norwegians, but proto-Norwegians who spoke another language and weren't Christian. Short version of the question is, who were our "Vikings"? The Puntites? After that then, because that was thousands of years ago

The Somali language has transformed throughout history. It most likely only became somewhat centralised after Islam and the rise of Sultanates and Kingdoms

Ottomans were Muslim Turks.


Im talking about who the proto-Somalis before Islam were. Do you know? There is little documentation of them. Our upcoming and rise was after Islam and the creation of the Somali identity aswell as modern culture

Find me a mention of a Somali or a Somali clan before the advent of Islam. Even our own forefathers (Irir Samaale, Al Jeberti and Sheik Isaaq) came after the advent of Islam.

Language was likely only standardised and localised after the rise of Sultanates and Kingdoms.

Us as a people we are ancient. Us as Somalis we are no more than 1300-ish years old.

Learn to read you retarded monkey @Jujuman You're stupid ass has been in my thread either derailing, posting unrelevant "jokes" and having amnesia and repeating what I already answered you.

I was saying Somalis didn't exist until the advent of Islam. Your arguement doesnt apply, nor is it relevant. I don't really care if you agree with me or not, if you have no historical data to back up your belief of Somalis (Modern Somalis) predating Islam then your belief is not important or one I care for. Convince me if you can.

I told you this THREE fucking pages ago. Miss me with your shit

 

[Lord Flacko]

This thread begs the question, what are UnSomali Somali Atheists that are Somali?

The whole basis of the stance in your post (that you're opposed to) is in response to "UnSomali" Atheists being told they're no longer Somalis for having left Islam.

I've seen the idea of "going back to before Islam, Somalis existed before Islam" countless times before the debate you're talking about was brought up.

 

[Layth]

So you believe a Somali is defined by their acceptance of Islam I believe it's solely down to ones genetics let's just leave it at that.

In fact, I think I can guess what Ethnic group you consider Atheists to be - Communist

A Somali is indeed defined by their acceptance of Islam.

I've seen the idea of "going back to before Islam, Somalis existed before Islam" countless times before the debate you're talking about was brought up.

Wallahi been maad shegin. When someone makes a comment about retrogressing to waaqism, all atheists support the idea

 

[Jujuman]

A Somali is indeed defined by their acceptance of Islam.


Wallahi been maad shegin. When someone makes a comment about retrogressing to Waaqism, all atheists support the idea

You're just peddling the whole Islam = Somali because you yourself are a Yemeni Shekel.

 

[Mudug-Madman]

You're just peddling the whole Islam = Somali because you yourself are a Yemeni Shekel.

According to him, Somalis from different clans are different races.

 

[McLovin]

This thread begs the question, what are UnSomali Somali Atheists that are Somali?

Pre islam somalis according to @Discontinous :siilaanyolaugh:

 

[Jujuman]

Learn to read you retarded monkey @Jujuman You're stupid ass has been in my thread either derailing, posting unrelevant "jokes" and having amnesia and repeating what I already answered you.

I told you this THREE fucking pages ago. Miss me with your shit

Correct me if I'm wrong but you reasoning is basically the following:

1. I am an Evian water bottle however I've removed the strip which identifies me as an Evian bottle.
2. I no longer can be considered an water bottle.

Like I said earlier, I don't agree nor will subscribe to this premise.

 

[VixR]

I've seen the idea of "going back to before Islam, Somalis existed before Islam" countless times before the debate you're talking about was brought up.

You're implying Somalis didn't have a pre-Islamic religion, nor, in fact, did we even exist prior to Islam? Even if we're to dismiss the pre-Islamic roots said to be evidenced by Somalis still holding remnants of pre-Islamic culture, words, names of towns, even practices despite Islam's acceptance, you do realize it's practically unheard of for a culture not to devise any "religion system" at all? Not only do you provide no sources, but the claim is outlandish. 1) No religion pre-Islam (incredibly unlikely) 2) Didn't exist b4 the advent of Islam (incredibly outlandish) This is how attached u are to Islam, you go so far as to claim any such thing as the Somali of today didn't exist b4, calling them "proto-Somali" like a different, prehistoric creature as if Islam is that old

 

[Layth]

You're just peddling the whole Islam = Somali because you yourself are a Yemeni Shekel.

Not really. Since Somalis are not homogeneous, what is the common ground between them besides religion? Thus Somalinimo = Islaanimo.

"Somalinimo waa Islaanimo"; and that's actually a Somali proverb, not something that I've taken out of my back pocket.

 

[Lord Flacko]

Correct me if I'm wrong but you reasoning is basically the following:

1. I am an Evian water bottle however I've removed the strip which identifies me as an Evian bottle.
2. I no longer can be considered an water bottle.

Like I said earlier, I don't agree nor will subscribe to this premise.

What the f*ck are you on about? You're in the wrong fucking thread now leave and calaacal in the other one.

 

[Lord Flacko]

You're implying Somalis didn't have a pre-Islamic religion, nor, in fact, did we even exist prior to Islam? Even if we're to dismiss the pre-Islamic roots said to be evidenced by Somalis still holding remnants of pre-Islamic culture, words, names of towns, even practices despite Islam's acceptance, you do realize it's practically unheard of for a culture not to devise any "religion system" at all? Not only do you provide no sources, but the claim is outlandish. 1) No religion pre-Islam (incredibly unlikely) 2) Didn't exist b4 the advent of Islam (incredibly outlandish) This is how attached u are to Islam, you go so far as to claim any such thing as the Somali of today didn't exist b4, calling them "proto-Somali" like a different, prehistoric creature

The people before Islam were a completely different people. They had not the same names as we do today for both ourselves or for our towns, cities etc.

Before Islam we have little to no knownledge about who our ancestors, the proto-Somalis, were. They didn't have a written language, they didn't preserve anything and they most certainly didn't make any significant mark on the world. After the advent of Islam however we went through several written languages, we had Sultanates and Kingdoms that dominated the Horn of Africa, we fought the Portugese and Habesh and we conquered wast land that we own to this day. Before Islam there was no kingdom or anything.

200 BC, simply just Cushites.

50 AD

Just question marks

And finally Somalis. Wonder what else happened around that time?

Read my posts.

By the time of the Moroccan traveller Ibn Battuta's appearance on the Somali coast in 1331, the city was at the zenith of its prosperity. He described Mogadishu as "an exceedingly large city" with many rich merchants, which was famous for its high quality fabric that it exported to Egypt, among other places.[10][11] Battuta added that the city was ruled by a Somali Sultan, Abu Bakr ibn Sayx 'Umar,[12][13] who was originally from Berbera in northern Somalia and spoke both Somali (referred to by Battuta as Mogadishan, the Benadir dialect of Somali) and Arabic with equal fluency.[13][14]

 

[Lucifer]

You're just peddling the whole Islam = Somali because you yourself are a Yemeni Shekel.

Back to Israel with him, I read they fast track citizenship to Jewish people

 

[Layth]

Back to Israel with him, I read they fast track citizenship to Jewish people

I tried applying but I'm not allowed since I'm Muslim

 

[McLovin]

Poor @Layth Not pure enough to be a jew. Not pure enough to be an Arab. Nor pure enough to be a somali. Forever a 0.5 mutt

 

[Bahal]

The people before Islam were a completely different people. They had not the same names as we do today for both ourselves or for our towns, cities etc.

Before Islam we have little to no knownledge about who our ancestors, the proto-Somalis, were. They didn't have a written language, they didn't preserve anything and they most certainly didn't make any significant mark on the world. After the advent of Islam however we went through several written languages, we had Sultanates and Kingdoms that dominated the Horn of Africa, we fought the Portugese and Habesh and we conquered wast land that we own to this day. Before Islam there was no kingdom or anything.

200 BC, simply just Cushites.

50 AD

Just question marks

And finally Somalis. Wonder what else happened around that time?

Read my posts.
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Dude, the Somali language itself is literally 3000 years old, which implies we have obviously been an ethnic group for at least that long. The maps you guys are posting are made by wikipedia dudes using whatever sources they want.

Again, culture was not created in a vacuum. Our cultural practices predate Islam by millennia, from FGM, to pastoralism, to even the superstitions and myths i.e. zaar possession which have been syncretized with Islam relatively recently.

Even the city states on the coast were described as po pa lis that were unruly and decentralized af

 

[Layth]

Poor @Layth Not pure enough to be a jew. Not pure enough to be an Arab. Nor pure enough to be a somali. Forever a 0.5 mutt

Can't be classed as 0.5 either as my clan is probably not recognised. I'm essentially stateless lmfao and probably the only remaining member of my clan.

No biggie. Main concern is raking in that $$$, becoming prosperous in the lands of my hosts and giving back.

Tbh I kind of like it this way

 

[McLovin]

Can't be classed as 0.5 either as my clan is probably not recognised. I'm essentially stateless lmfao and probably the only remaining member of my clan.

No biggie. Main concern is raking in that $$$, becoming prosperous in the lands of my hosts and giving back.

Tbh I kind of like it this way

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But hey, atleast you have dah ummah