Arms Embargo Likely To Be Lifted

[Keep it a boqol]

 

[bidenkulaha]

It was relaxed a few months ago so this was inevitable as long as we continue to reform the structure of the army (so these weapons don’t fall into Shabaab or clan militias hands) and make progress against Shabaab.

HSM continues to deliver diplomatic victories. There’s zero chance the IC would’ve lifted the arms embargo under Farmaajo

 

[anon2]

Good, now go hire Wagner Group to train 50,000 SNA troops or send 25,000 of them to a country like Pakistan or Finland instead of sending them to multiple countries that have a vested interest in Somalia

 

[anon2]

It was relaxed a few months ago so this was inevitable as long as we continue to reform the structure of the army (so these weapons don’t fall into Shabaab or clan militias hands) and make progress against Shabaab.

HSM continues to deliver diplomatic victories. There’s zero chance the IC would’ve lifted the arms embargo under Farmaajo

I know HSM is paying you a lot to shill for him but the truth is HSM nor Farmaajo had any control over whether it would be lifted it or not. Their western handlers decided, Somalia is an owned countries, majority of things HSM says or does are likely instructed from Nairobi and Washington.

 

[bidenkulaha]

I know HSM is paying you a lot to shill for him but the truth is HSM nor Farmaajo had any control over whether it would be lifted it or not. Their western handlers decided, Somalia is an owned countries, majority of things HSM says or does are likely instructed from Nairobi and Washington.

Paying lol. CBB are ludicrous. I’m just making comment on the many things Farmaajo f**cked up is one of these.

HSM has good relations with the key partners we need to support progress on debt relief (under Farmaajo this was delayed to at least 2025), the arms embargo, sanctions on finance. Farmaajo like all authoritarian disasters in Africa after being sanctioned by the U.S. pivoted to China and Russia which would’ve been disastrous for us.

We truly wasted 5 years under that idio*, it’s good to point it out so we don’t make that mistake again.

 

[anon2]

Paying lol. CBB are ludicrous. I’m just making comment on the many things Farmaajo f**cked up is one of these.

HSM has good relations with the key partners we need to support progress on debt relief (under Farmaajo this was delayed to at least 2025), the arms embargo, sanctions on finance. Farmaajo like all authoritarian disasters in Africa after being sanctioned by the U.S. pivoted to China and Russia which would’ve been disastrous for us.

We truly wasted 5 years under that idio*, it’s good to point it out so we don’t make that mistake again.

I'm not CBB walaalo. I am just looking at it objectively. That's why I didn't defend Farmaajo. Farmaajo was financed and somewhat controlled by the terrorist state of Qatar and US and tried to mess with PL politics, only good thing he did was send soldiers to Eritrea and make healthcare for women free. HSM on the other hand is controlled by the UAE and US. It's the same thing, this country is owned either way, this is why I previously said anything is better than whatever cycle we've had. We need to gain back our sovereignty and territorial integratory. I want every square inch of the country to be accounted for and I do not want a single non-Somali NGO or AMINSOM solider to step foot in Somalia. Place like Halane should be stormed and every foreigner there should be arrested and put on trial.

Also, western sanctions don't even matter anymore, the petrodollar and the Western World order is collapsing before our very eyes. As soon as Iran and Saudi Arabia join BRICS the multipolar world will provide countries another path of economic development. In the coming years you will see what I'm talking about. The Ukraine-Russian war has basically isolated the West. Markets are shifting East

 

[bidenkulaha]

I'm not CBB walaalo. I am just looking at it objectively. That's why I didn't defend Farmaajo. Farmaajo was financed and somewhat controlled by the terrorist state of Qatar and US and tried to mess with PL politics, only good thing he did was send soldiers to Eritrea and make healthcare for women free. HSM on the other hand is controlled by UAE and US. It's the same thing, this country is owned either way, this is why I previously said anything is better than whatever cycle we've had. We need to gain back our sovereignty and territorial integratory.

Also, western sanctions don't even matter anymore, the petrodollar and the Western World order is collapsing before our very eyes. As soon as Iran and Saudi Arabia join BRICS the multipolar world will provide countries another path of economic development. In the coming years you will see what I'm talking about. The Ukraine-Russian war has basically isolated the West. Markets are shifting East

Be realistic bro. Somalia is completely reliant on the U.S. and Farmaajo was not a US ally. The US even went as far to forcing Qatar to cut their funds to Farmaajo and sanctioned government officials. Forget other US allies that didn’t even need convincing.

Hence why we may as well pack our bags and give up on Somalia because without US donor support there’s no FGS budget, there’s no aid relief so millions will die due to famine and there’s no progress on access to international finance, arms embargo and the U.S. will pivot to SL. That’s all things that happened under Farmaajo.

We’re very lucky we’ve had a 180 degree uturn on foreign policy. UAE can divide Somalia given its strong relations with SL, PL and JL. So any forward thinking President will know they have to neutralise this relationship. The US is critical for any world bank projects and IMF debt relief, as well as development loans in future, there’d be no progress on national IDs (funded and developed by the IMF). To get to where we need to be we need the US

 

[Mr. Wabrii]

Good, now go hire Wagner Group to train 50,000 SNA troops or send 25,000 of them to a country like Pakistan or Finland instead of sending them to multiple countries that have a vested interest in Somalia

WAGNER would actually help us defeat Alshabaab, but then American and Uk would be against that. We should build closer ties to Russia, we can then get some tanks and weapons that are cheap and easy to use unlike expensive high maintained western junk.

 

[anon2]

Be realistic bro. Somalia is completely reliant on the U.S. and Farmaajo was not a US ally. The US even went as far to forcing Qatar to cut their funds to Farmaajo and sanctioned government officials.

Hence we may as well pack our bags and go home because without US donor support there’s no FGS budget, there’s no aid relief so millions will die due to famine and there’s no progress on access to international finance, arms embargo and the U.S. will pivot to SL. That’s all things that happened under Farmaajo.

We’re very lucky we’ve had a 180 degree uturn on foreign policy. UAE can divide Somalia given its strong relations with SL, PL and JL. So any forward thinking President will know they have to neutralise this relationship. The US is critical for any world bank projects and IMF debt relief, as well as development loans in future, there’d be no progress on national IDs (funded and developed by the IMF). To get to where we need to be we need the US

I am being realistic bro, I know that Somalia is 80% reliant on the US, that's the problem. We have leverage we don't realize we have, the Federal Government of Somalia on paper controls every single inch of Somalia. That is huge leverage itself. What is stopping the Somali Gov for example offering airspace use to the US or Russia or China for MONEY + wheat seeds or infrastructure projects? Somalis need to use these things as leverage until we can get back on our feet.. The end goal should be self reliance nothing else. Once food security can be achieved you really don't need anything else.

Also why do you think we should keep pivoting back to the IMF and US, why can't we benefit from both this Western system and the alternative order that's being created right before our very eyes? Like I said, there will another way for countries to develop soon without the need of the IMF or US. Countries that are sanctioned to death like North Korea or Eritrea will be some of the first to benefit from this new system. The UAE and other US puppet states will either lag behind or follow suit. The end of the petrodollars means the end of the World Bank and hegemonic order that forces countries to be reliant on the US and follow their neoliberal policies.

WAGNER would actually help us defeat Alshabaab, but then American and Uk would be against that. We should build closer ties to Russia, we can then get some tanks and weapons that are cheap and easy to use unlike expensive high maintained western junk.

I agree, I think instead of using Wager directly, we could have some Wagner Leaders come to Somalia and train our whole army or we can send SNA troops to Russia. This is much better and cheaper option and we won't have 5 different countries that have a vested interests in Somalia training our troops. In fact Qatar, the UAE, Kenya and Ethiopia are our enemies, imagine having your enemies training you? They want the exact opposite, they benefit from Somalia being a bunch of destabilized clan fiefdoms.

 

[Abdisamad]

Allied with Russia, are you guys crazy? How was somalia destroyed in the first place

 

[Ximan iyo Xadeed]

One thing FGS should do is put a death penalty on anyone using government weapons in tribal conflicts.

 

[anon2]

Allied with Russia, are you guys crazy? How was somalia destroyed in the first place

Not allied with them, we can just use them for our benefit. Cheap weapons and well trained soldiers can be easily obtained from them.

To be fair, If we delve back into the past. we were never really "allied" with them, they never trusted us and didn't give us as many weapons as we used to request in the early 70s. This is why they weren't shocked when we kicked them out of the Berbera army base, they expected it. It's another reason why they sent the most military aid in their history to Ethiopia against us despite Ethiopia only being allies with them for 4 years.

There are no friends in geopolitics, we should use everybody we can to our benefit

 

[Abdisamad]

Not allied with them, we can just use them for our benefit. Cheap weapons and well trained soldiers can be easily obtained from them.

Cheap and good quality doesn't go hand in hand Bro... And every one has an interest, you can't just use others without them getting any benefits from you in return.

To be fair, If we delve back into the past. we were never really "allied" with them, they never trusted us and didn't give us as many weapons as we used to request in the early 70s. This is why they weren't shocked when we kicked them out of the Berbera army base, they expected it. It's another reason why they sent the most military aid in their history to Ethiopia against us despite Ethiopia only being allies with them for 4 years.

There are no friends in geopolitics, we should use everybody we can to our benefit

Best scenario is to stay neutral, otherwise we might end up in a similar situation as before the civil war, were the USS betrayed Somalia and sided with Ethiopia those resulting in the collapse of the entire Somali Nation.

 

[Gaarasho]

It was relaxed a few months ago so this was inevitable as long as we continue to reform the structure of the army (so these weapons don’t fall into Shabaab or clan militias hands) and make progress against Shabaab.

HSM continues to deliver diplomatic victories. There’s zero chance the IC would’ve lifted the arms embargo under Farmaajo

You sound ludicrous. You can’t be entrusted with semi automatic rifles and you expect advanced weapons I’d be the first to oppose the lifting of the arms embargo. In order for that to happen you actually need dowladnimo.

 

[bidenkulaha]

You sound ludicrous. You can’t be entrusted with semi automatic rifles and you expect advanced weapons I’d be the first to oppose the lifting of the arms embargo. In order for that to happen you actually need dowladnimo.

It’s too late for any opposition. It’s going to be lifted. There’s already arms coming into Somalia every other day. UAE has just brought in a bunch of drones to Aden Adde this week.

The reason for the lifting is two fold, Somalia is at war with Shabaab and winning. Second is the ATMIS withdrawal begins this summer and the international community either allow that to happen without a prepared SNA and the country has it’s Taliban moment or they allow the SNA access to buying heavy military equipment and Somalia increases its armed forces from the old 18,000 cap to enough to guarantee the countries security

 

[anon2]

Cheap and good quality doesn't go hand in hand Bro... And every one has an interest, you can't just use others without them getting any benefits from you in return.


Best scenario is to stay neutral, otherwise we might end up in a similar situation as before the civil war, were the USS betrayed Somalia and sided with Ethiopia those resulting in the collapse of the entire Somali Nation.

The only reason we lost was because the US went back on their word of supplying us weapons. Otherwise we would've won a war of attrition and then an armistice after Russia gave up on Ethiopia. If a republican like Nixon or Regan were president at the time it might've happened but the US had it's worse president Jimmy Carter at the helm. Very unfortune for us.

I agree staying neutral is the best but we need to use both sides for our benefits, I don't think America would care if soldiers were being trained and weapons being "legally" bought from China or Russia since US allies do that. As long as Russia doesn't have any influence over our decision making or is physically in Somalia, we should be fine. I think Russia would benefit with their "soft" power and international image if Somali Solider who were Russian" trained" defeated AS easily. It might make America jealous and have offer us something even better. The trick is to play both sides without leaning too much into either

 

[Gaarasho]

It’s too late for any opposition. It’s going to be lifted. There’s already arms coming into Somalia every other day. UAE has just brought in a bunch of drones to Aden Adde this week.

The reason for the lifting is two fold, Somalia is at war with Shabaab and winning. Second is the ATMIS withdrawal begins this summer and the international community either allow that to happen without a prepared SNA and the country has it’s Taliban moment or they allow the SNA access to buying heavy military equipment and Somalia increases its armed forces from the old 18,000 cap to enough to guarantee the countries security

Sxb I appreciate the newly discovered patriotism of yours. But atmis aint going nowhere and you not having no arms embargo lifted , because your uncles in xamar benefits from the status quo like ngos and foreign nations do. It’s all a money game nothing complex to grasp here. Finally get your little head out the mud , I’ll even offer you an arm lol

 

[bidenkulaha]

Sxb I appreciate the newly discovered patriotism of yours. But atmis aint going nowhere and you not having no arms embargo lifted , because your uncles in xamar benefits from the status quo like ngos and foreign nations do. It’s all a money game nothing complex to grasp here. Finally get your little head out the mud , I’ll even offer you an arm lol

$500 and we can shake on it

 

[Gaarasho]

$500 and we can shake on it

Send it to hsm he could need it

 

[Waaqmasho]

Total bullsh*t. Not happening. No atmis is getting removed either as they were signed in to stay 1 or two more years.

If HSM manages to lift somalia's arm embargo and gets atmis out then consider me a HSM supporter from that day. I'd defend him everywhere.