Are the Tumtuu of the Oromo comparable to the Tumaal of the Somali?

[Arkan]

This is very interesting. @Abba Sadacha

The root term for Tumtuu comes from the words tumuu and tummaa, which literally means to beat something.

In an Oromo context, it ranges from beating an object with the use of a stick, for instance, to beating a law or formulating it. It also includes the procedures that blacksmiths use to create objects by forging metals with the use of a hammer.

In normal understanding, despite its applicability to various areas, the noun tumtuu represents a socio-economic group associated with craft technology.

Although it appears to represent only those who are directly involved with metalworking, it goes beyond to include others such as weavers and potters. Therefore, tumtuu is a generic term that includes forgers, weavers, and potters.

The tumtuu is an Oromo of Wollega context, an endogamous group denied commensality with the mainstream Oromo.

The Tumtuu are:
- Stigmatised by the Oromo majority
- Denied from participating in the Gadaa system
- Dependant/tied to Oromo clans
- Do not own property like land

 

[Khaemwaset]

Doesn't Tuumal in Somali also come from "to beat [iron]" or something similar.

 

[Arkan]

Doesn't Tuumal in Somali also come from "to beat [iron]" or something similar.

I've heard either that or "blacksmith"

 

[AfranQallo]

This is very interesting. @Abba Sadacha

The root term for Tumtuu comes from the words tumuu and tummaa, which literally means to beat something.

In an Oromo context, it ranges from beating an object with the use of a stick, for instance, to beating a law or formulating it. It also includes the procedures that blacksmiths use to create objects by forging metals with the use of a hammer.

In normal understanding, despite its applicability to various areas, the noun tumtuu represents a socio-economic group associated with craft technology.

Although it appears to represent only those who are directly involved with metalworking, it goes beyond to include others such as weavers and potters. Therefore, tumtuu is a generic term that includes forgers, weavers, and potters.

The tumtuu is an Oromo of Wollega context, an endogamous group denied commensality with the mainstream Oromo.

The Tumtuu are:
- Stigmatised by the Oromo majority
- Denied from participating in the Gadaa system
- Dependant/tied to Oromo clans
- Do not own property like land

Yes basically the tumtu were blacksmiths. They did not have the same rights as others in proper clans. For instance in Hararghe, the tumtu used to create the original Afran Qallo Qarma out of metal but they no longer do this work and AQ adopted the Harari siyasa or beaded challee.

Many Tumtu still exist but today claim the clan they neighbor. They’ve assimilated and adopted one of the clans in the area at least within Hararghe.

 

[Maakhri from dhahar]

The root term for Tumtuu comes from the words tumuu and tummaa, which literally means to beat something.

In an Oromo context, it ranges from beating an object with the use of a stick, for instance, to beating a law or formulating it. It also includes the procedures that blacksmiths use to create objects by forging metals with the use of a hammer.

Check out this linguistic note :
metal ( m-t-l ) and tumaal ( t-m-l ) .

According to wiktionary :
metal : a borrowing from Ancient Greek μέταλλον ( métallon ) : “ mine, quarry, metal” ) .
Ancient Greek μέταλλον ( métallon ) : From Pre-Greek because of the presence of -αλλο- (-allo-) .
So the Ancient Greek μέταλλον ( métallon ) came from Cushitic language word
( tum + aal ) .

tumo v. pound, beat ~ hammer
tun v. beat, strike, hammer, grind,
pound; play drum ~ guitar
tuniin vl. n. hammering
tuman der. adj. pounded, beaten, hit
tumasho vl. n. pounding, beating;
dancing; having fun
tumaal m. n. blacksmith
Tumaal m. n. name of a Somali clan

tum + aal → tumaal ( t-m-l ) → μέταλλον ( métallon ) → metal ( m-t-l ) .

 

[Maakhri from dhahar]

The root term for Tumtuu comes from the words tumuu and tummaa, which literally means to beat something.

After we learned the meaning of ( Tumaal ) .
What does ( Somaal ) mean ?
What is the difference between ( Somaal ) and ( Tumaal ) ?

The oldest source that mentions the name ( Somaal ) is the Bible in Genesis 4 .

Tumaal was the first son of Adam and Eve .

Somaal was the second son of Adam and Eve .

 

[Grey Alien]

After we learned the meaning of ( Tumaal ) .
What does ( Somaal ) mean ?
What is the difference between ( Somaal ) and ( Tumaal ) ?

The oldest source that mentions the name ( Somaal ) is the Bible in Genesis 4 .

Tumaal was the first son of Adam and Eve .

Somaal was the second son of Adam and Eve .

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Give em' source, sxb!

 

[Abdisamadi]

I've long theorized many Cushitic traditions remained the same till very recently , even the Kunama all the way in Eritrea ( a Cushitic/Nilo-Saharan mix) have extremely similar customs to Cushitic groups that they've been split apart from for centuries

 

[Riftvalley]

I've long theorized many Cushitic traditions remained the same till very recently , even the Kunama all the way in Eritrea ( a Cushitic/Nilo-Saharan mix) have extremely similar customs to Cushitic groups that they've been split apart from for centuries

Not really only Cushitics, discrimination of blacksmiths is widespread across Africa:

https://idsn.org/wp-content/uploads/user_folder/pdf/Old_files/africa/pdf/Africafull.pdf

 

[Arkan]

Yes basically the tumtu were blacksmiths. They did not have the same rights as others in proper clans. For instance in Hararghe, the tumtu used to create the original Afran Qallo Qarma out of metal but they no longer do this work and AQ adopted the Harari siyasa or beaded challee.

Many Tumtu still exist but today claim the clan they neighbor. They’ve assimilated and adopted one of the clans in the area at least within Hararghe.

How wide spread are the tumtuu in Oromia?

 

[Maakhri from dhahar]

??????
Give em' source, sxb!

To know how names change, you must study old scripts ( ancient writings ) and compare them with each other .

Genesis 4:1 Now Adam had sexual relations with his wife, Eve, and she became pregnant. When she gave birth to Cain, she said, “With the LORD’s help, I have produced a man!”

Genesis 4:2 Later she gave birth to his brother and named him Abel. When they grew up, Abel became a shepherd, while Cain cultivated the ground.

Genesis 4:20 Adah gave birth to Jabal; he was the father of those who live in tents and raise livestock.
{ Jabal or Yabal (Hebrew: יָבָל – Yāḇāl) } .

Genesis 4:22 Lamech’s other wife, Zillah, gave birth to a son named Tubal-cain. He became an expert in forging tools of bronze and iron.

Tubaal-cain = Tumaal .

Tubaal-cain or Tubalcain (Hebrew: תּוּבַל קַיִן – Tūḇal Qayīn) is a person mentioned in the Bible, in Genesis 4:22, known for being the first blacksmith. He is stated as the "forger of all instruments of bronze and iron". A descendant of Cain .

Abel / ( Hebrew : הֶבֶל Hébel , Arabic هَابِيلَ ) = Hebrew : יָבָל Yāḇāl , Arabic يَابَالَ ) = Havilah in the Bible (Biblical Hebrew: חֲוִילָה Ḥăwīlā , Arabic حَويلة ) = Somaal ( Hebrew : סומליה , Arabic سومال) .

Abel : הֶבֶל Hébeel ( h - b - l ) = יָבָל Yāḇaal ( y - b - l ) = Haviilah / Hawiilah חֲוִילָה Ḥăwīlā ( Ḥ - w - l ) = Somaal ( s - m - l ) .

S س = Ḥ ح

The exact location of Havilah is debated, with various scholars suggesting it may be in southwest Arabia or North Somalia.

Hebrew : הֶבֶל Hébel , Arabic هَابِيلَ ) .
English language: Abel - Latin language: Abele - اللغة العبرية: הֶבֶל - Greek language: Ἅβελ - Coptic language: ``Abel pi -`qmhi - Latin language: Abel.
وهو اسم لا يُعلم اشتقاقه على وجه اليقين، ربما كان اسمًا ساميًا معناه (نسمة - بخار - بطلًا - هشاشة)، بينما يرى البعض أنه مَشْتَق من كلمة "يابال" التي معناها "راع".
It is a name whose derivation is not known with certainty. It may have been a Semitic name meaning ( breath - steam - hero - fragility), while some believe that it is derived from the word “ יָבָל yabal ,” which means “ shepherd .”

Francis Nigel Lee interprets Genesis 4:20 to mean that Jabal was both the "father of all cattle ranchers" and the "father of all tent-dwellers", and as such as the "pioneer of all livestock and agricultural technology" as well as the "pioneer of all architecture." Lee notes that Jabal was probably also a weaver, and thus "the pioneer of the clothing industry."

Gordon Wenham, on the other hand, understands the verse to indicate Jabal was the first "dweller with herds." That is, he was the "father of the Bedouin lifestyle." He notes that whereas Abel "merely lived off his flocks," Jabal could "trade with his beasts of burden," and that this "represents cultural advance."

 

[AfranQallo]

How wide spread are the tumtuu in Oromia?

Unfortunately very uncommon to find one. Many have shifted to farming and other work and claim the clan they reside with. Not many anymore.