Are most Oromos just assimilate non-Oromos, or was there high mixing with the locals?

[Horn African]

I think of the latter

I don't believe most Oromos today are just assimilated people and not much mixing with the original Gallas happen. Most Oromos weather they were assimilated Somalis, many Ethio-semitic speakers, or others, they tend to have higher level of Omotic among them relative to the population they deemed closer to them. I think the Original Oromo brought more Omotic admixture.

There are still many Ethio-Semitic speakers left in Southern/Eastern Ethiopia, If Oromos were just assimilated from the former group than the difference wouldn't be striking even physically.

 

[Gacanka Cadmeed]

I think of the latter

I don't believe most Oromos today are just assimilated people and not much mixing with the original Gallas happen. Most Oromos weather they were assimilated Somalis, many Ethio-semitic speakers, or others, they tend to have higher level of Omotic among them relative to the population they deemed closer to them. I think the Original Oromo brought more Omotic admixture.

There are still many Ethio-Semitic speakers left in Southern/Eastern Ethiopia, If Oromos were just assimilated from the former group than the difference wouldn't be striking even physically.

East haraghe oromos still look very Somali and have lower omotic DNA than most oromos. Also, I thought oromos hate to be called Gaallas.

 

[kingcharlesskull]

go ask the oromos chimping out on abeed ahmed's instructions

 

[Som]

Oromos assimilated many people.
There's no "pure" oromo anymore.
Orthodox oromos are basically oromo speaking amharas, muslim oromos have heavy somali or afar admixture.

 

[TheReal_SMM]

Oromos assimilated many people.
There's no "pure" oromo anymore.
Orthodox oromos are basically oromo speaking amharas, muslim oromos have heavy somali or afar admixture.

Replace Afar with Harari, Argobba & Silte.

 

[Juke]

Oromos assimilated many people.
There's no "pure" oromo anymore.
Orthodox oromos are basically oromo speaking amharas, muslim oromos have heavy somali or afar admixture.

Borana are traditionally considered the purest

 

[convincation]

Borana are traditionally considered the purest

Borana and guji are heavily omotic mixed. Some of them are straight up omotics that language shifted

 

[convincation]

I think of the latter

I don't believe most Oromos today are just assimilated people and not much mixing with the original Gallas happen. Most Oromos weather they were assimilated Somalis, many Ethio-semitic speakers, or others, they tend to have higher level of Omotic among them relative to the population they deemed closer to them. I think the Original Oromo brought more Omotic admixture.

There are still many Ethio-Semitic speakers left in Southern/Eastern Ethiopia, If Oromos were just assimilated from the former group than the difference wouldn't be striking even physically.

It depends on where they’re from. Oromos from say guji or jimma are probably the most omotic wheras oromos from say hararghe or wollo are probably the least omotic. The rest are kind of in the middle but when it comes to additional Semitic blood oromos from hararghe, shewa and arsi would have the most semetic blood

 

[4head]

Hibongo people has been assimilating into the Lamagoodle ethnic groups for centuries.

 

[Waaqmasho]

@Apollo What exactly is this Omotic DNA? If Oromos and Somalis are related why don't Somalis have this Omotic DNA too?

 

[Apollo]

@Apollo What exactly is this Omotic DNA? If Oromos and Somalis are related why don't Somalis have this Omotic DNA too?

The original Omotic people were the same as Cushites.

What people think of Omotic is mostly Paleolithic Ethiopian hunter-gatherer. Those people actually didn't speak Omotic nor Afro-Asiatic, but it is highest in some South Omotic populations.

 

[Waaqmasho]

The original Omotic people were the same as Cushites.

What people think of Omotic is mostly Paleolithic Ethiopian hunter-gatherer. Those people actually didn't speak Omotic nor Afro-Asiatic, but it is highest in some South Omotic populations.

Interesting. So these hunter-gatherer how did they look like? Are they similar to the hunter gatherers that make up a part of the somali DNA?

 

[Apollo]

Interesting. So these hunter-gatherer how did they look like? Are they similar to the hunter gatherers that make up a part of the somali DNA?

They looked like South Omotic people. They look like Nilotes, but a bit shorter and slightly lighter skinned.

Somalis don't have this ancestry, except for some K5 and NFD people.

 

[Nomadite]

They looked like South Omotic people. They look like Nilotes, but a bit shorter and slightly lighter skinned.

Somalis don't have this ancestry, except for some K5 and NFD people.

They have E1b1b dont they? I cant seem to find what their major Y DNA is.

 

[Apollo]

They have E1b1b dont they? I cant seem to find what their major Y DNA is.

Those are the Afro-Asiatic lineages they have due to admixture from Afro-Asiatic agropastoralists.

This is the actual paleolithic Ethiopian hunter-gatherer paternal marker E1b1a2 (E-M329). It is not widespread, suggesting it was carried by hunter-gatherers who never got far.

Haplogroup E-M329 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[convincation]

The original Omotic people were the same as Cushites.

What people think of Omotic is mostly Paleolithic Ethiopian hunter-gatherer. Those people actually didn't speak Omotic nor Afro-Asiatic, but it is highest in some South Omotic populations.

Yh I noticed that, I saw this one girl who was yem (an omotic group) and was a lightskin with soft hair. I though she was an assimilated habesha but I’m starting to think lots of omotics look like her

 

[Moholin01]

The original Omotic people were the same as Cushites.

What people think of Omotic is mostly Paleolithic Ethiopian hunter-gatherer. Those people actually didn't speak Omotic nor Afro-Asiatic, but it is highest in some South Omotic populations.

Is that why Woleytas just look like Habeshas?

 

[Apollo]

Is that why Woleytas just look like Habeshas?

Shinasha look even more Habesha yet speak Omotic. Omotic people are not very similar, huge range between them.

 

[Nomadite]

Those are the Afro-Asiatic lineages they have due to admixture from Afro-Asiatic agropastoralists.

This is the actual paleolithic Ethiopian hunter-gatherer paternal marker E1b1a2 (E-M329). It is not widespread, suggesting it was carried by hunter-gatherers who never got far.

Haplogroup E-M329 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ahh i see, however this is very strange. Surely this will be found later on to be an unrelated Y marker. What is their connection to the Niger Congo E1b1a?

 

[Apollo]

Ahh i see, however this is very strange. Surely this will be found later on to be an unrelated Y marker. What is their connection to the Niger Congo E1b1a?

It is better to focus on the mutation names than the outdated a1 b2 a3 b etc system. E-M2 and E-M329 are unrelated for about 40,000 years. So they aren't paternally that close to Niger-Congo (diverged in the paleolithic).