Arabic and Somali

[Khalid Hussein]

Oromo/Afar is closer to the Somali language then Arabic. We also share more vocabulary with those 2 languages than Arabic. So what's your point?

Apparently Somali - Eastern Oromo share 40 % vocabulary
Somali - Afar should 25 % vocabulary.
Somali - Arabic? 1 %?

Try it out, I done it. Oromo is not like Somali, I wonder who came up with Cushitic.

 

[Khalid Hussein]

Yes, but the core base and structure of the language (everyday words that make up much of our typical speech) is still Germanic hence why English sounds completely different to french than say German, Danish, and Frisian.

True, your on my page

 

[government]

Oromo/Afar is closer to the Somali language then Arabic. We also share more vocabulary with those 2 languages than Arabic. So what's your point?

Apparently Somali - Eastern Oromo share 40 % vocabulary
Somali - Afar should 25 % vocabulary.
Somali - Arabic? 1 %?

Where did you get that figure from

 

[Apollo]

Try it out, I done it. Oromo is not like Somali, I wonder who came up with Cushitic.

Cushitic is a real linguistic grouping, but it is very old.

 

[Khalid Hussein]

Oromo/Afar is closer to the Somali language then Arabic. We also share more vocabulary with those 2 languages than Arabic. So what's your point?

Apparently Somali - Eastern Oromo share 40 % vocabulary
Somali - Afar should 25 % vocabulary.
Somali - Arabic? 1 %?

Thy I shall proceed with my Oromo Resreach, Cushtic language are usually SOV that why Somali is Cushtic language when you continue, I am touching my half bread hmmm, Oromo is a primitive Language, But wait isn't Chinese a SOV language and it has no relation to East African languages, I think it is due to location.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Somalis are the Basque of the Horn. Not closely related to anybody. :siilaanyolaugh:

On a genetic plot, you can always easily spot the Somali from an Oromo (both North and South Oromos).

What about the Eastern Oromos from Harar? Aren't most just assimilated Somalis? @Khalid Hussein

 

[Khalid Hussein]

Khalid Hussein is a moron, seriously.

Linguistic classifications are based on the original language, not borrowed vocabulary. The original English words are all of Germanic stock (water, blood, man, night, father, mother, day, house, milk etc).

Due to social stratification with the Norman conquest a lot of French and Latin vocabulary was absorbed as a sign of prestige, but the grammar of English is all Germanic and so are virtually all of its basic words.

How about Umbrella, Give, Legend and more words. English is still a Germanic language, anyway I wanted someone to ask me a Question.

 

[Apollo]

What about the Eastern Oromos from Harar? Aren't most just assimilated Somalis? @Khalid Hussein

There is a genetic overlap between them and Somalis from that area only. But when you can compare Harar Oromos to let's say Sacads from Mudug, you can easily tell who is who. It's almost kind of funny. I personally didn't expect that.

With Habeshas, it's very difficult to tell who is Amhara, Tigray, Tigrinya etc. With Somalis, it's easy to genetically identify them from other Horners.

 

[Khalid Hussein]

What about the Eastern Oromos from Harar? Aren't most just assimilated Somalis? @Khalid Hussein

Hmmm. Research extends, I have went to Awash. I went to some place to eat Food. When I spoke Somali, he couldn't understand. I went to Harar it is easy to get by with English and Somali. Making Language Groups is kind stupid.

 

[Khalid Hussein]

My Question

What will somali be if we sacked all Arabic loanwords

 

[oday1kenobi]

Khalid Hussein is a moron, seriously.

Linguistic classifications are based on the original language, not borrowed vocabulary. The original English words are all of Germanic stock (water, blood, man, night, father, mother, day, house, milk etc).

Due to social stratification with the Norman conquest a lot of French and Latin vocabulary was absorbed as a sign of prestige, but the grammar of English is all Germanic and so are virtually all of its basic words.

Great post.

Would also like to add that much of the french words that arrived via the Norman conquest did not replace contemporary English words but instead supplemented them as synonyms.


For example:

Cow - beef

Pig - pork

Smell - odour

Kingly - royal

Friend - amicable

Brotherly - fraternal

Ask - enquire

Buy - purchase

 

[Prince Abubu]

I think the guy is confusing loanwords with actual grammatical and structural similarities. English has borrowed heavily from latin, by way of french, and Greek. It doesn't mean it isn't a Germanic language. It's grammar and vocabulary features are still Germanic. Just like Somali is grammatically foreign from Arabic or any Semitic language. Having the same word for wall as in Arabic just means Somalis borrowed that word. Otherwise, Swahili, which has a higher Arabic vocabulary than Somali is a Semitic language as well - which is absurd.

 

[government]

What do you guys think of Arabic dialects do you think they are different languages or not because they have different grammatical structure than standard Arabic

 

[Prince Abubu]

What do you guys think of Arabic dialects do you think they are different languages or not because they have different grammatical structure than standard Arabic

Arabic dialects I would actually class as separate languages. Like, there no way Maghrebi Arabic is the same language as Khaliji Arabic.

Arabic dialects like certain other languages around the world are the result of a substratum and superstratum. A substrate language is the previous language of a geographical location that has been taken over by a new language. The substrate influences the new superstratum language in grammar, phonology, lexicon and vocabulary.

E.g.

Morrocan Arabic has a Berber substrate

Egyptian Arabic has a Coptic/Ancient Egyptian substrate

Levantine Arabic has a Canaanite substrate

Yemeni Arabic has a south Semitic substrate


And for example Ethio-Semitic languages have a Cushitic substrate

E.g. Amharic and Tigrinya have a Central Cushitic susbtrate

Tiger has Beja as it's substrate


And the MSA, or Modern South Arabian languages (like Socotra and Mahra languages) are said to have had a Cushitic substrate also. This has lead to the hypothesis that Cushites also occupied Southern Arabia.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Hmmm. Research extends, I have went to Awash. I went to some place to eat Food. When I spoke Somali, he couldn't understand. I went to Harar it is easy to get by with English and Somali. Making Language Groups is kind stupid.

So the Oromos in Harar understand Somali?

 

[fardowsa]

I dare you to speak Somali to an Oromo in the huge mountain ranges, he will not understand one bit I have been in this situation when I went Oromo kilil in 2015. I wanted to prove my friends that Oromo and Somali have no relation. I spoke Somali to a refugee from Yemeni he understood a few words. My theory worked.

Semitic languages, My favorite out of all the Language families.
Like English, we have a lot of Arabic loanwords. But we still need Arabic, We the word EBE OR AEBE we use illah and Allah

In Arabic, you start a sentence with a Verb. Some cases you start with a subject Noun.
But Somali, It starts with Subject object then verb.

And by the way ductape I didn't say Somali is Semtic

An arab understanding somali
Stop being an arab beg it is embarrasing, he probably heard an arabic loanword, you are stupid if you think he understood entire sentences

 

[Khalid Hussein]

I think the guy is confusing loanwords with actual grammatical and structural similarities. English has borrowed heavily from latin, by way of french, and Greek. It doesn't mean it isn't a Germanic language. It's grammar and vocabulary features are still Germanic. Just like Somali is grammatically foreign from Arabic or any Semitic language. Having the same word for wall as in Arabic just means Somalis borrowed that word. Otherwise, Swahili, which has a higher Arabic vocabulary than Somali is a Semitic language as well - which is absurd.

I said English is Germanic language but it has more Romance than Germanic, due to the Romans and the Norman Conquest. All Germanic language are all SVO.
Somali should be classified as its own language, because there is hardly any language like it, Aff Maay is a SVO and SOV language. Like how Arabic goes with Fi3il, Isim and then Harf.

So the Oromos in Harar understand Somali?

They are alot of Somalis in Harar, most somalis and Harari people talk to each other Axmaro, which I don't have any know anything about apart from my Dad and my distant Nephew who are Amxaro and Somali.

 

[fardowsa]

Hmmm. Research extends, I have went to Awash. I went to some place to eat Food. When I spoke Somali, he couldn't understand. I went to Harar it is easy to get by with English and Somali. Making Language Groups is kind stupid.

You can not make one somali sentence remotely similar to arabic so stop trying

 

[fardowsa]

I said English is Germanic language but it has more Romance than Germanic, due to the Romans and the Norman Conquest. All Germanic language are all SVO.
Somali should be classified as its own language, because there is hardly any language like it, Aff Maay is a SVO and SOV language. Like how Arabic goes with Fi3il, Isim and then Harf.

They are alot of Somalis in Harar, most somalis and Harari people talk to each other Axmaro, which I don't have any know anything about apart from my Dad and my distant Nephew who are Amxaro and Somali.

Word order isnt the only rhing you base a grouping on!

 

[government]

Arabic dialects I would actually class as separate languages. Like, there no way Maghrebi Arabic is the same language as Khaliji Arabic.

Arabic dialects like certain other languages around the world are the result of a substratum and superstratum. A substrate language is the previous language of a geographical location that has been taken over by a new language. The substrate influences the new superstratum language in grammar, phonology, lexicon and vocabulary.

E.g.

Morrocan Arabic has a Berber substrate

Egyptian Arabic has a Coptic/Ancient Egyptian substrate

Levantine Arabic has a Canaanite substrate

Yemeni Arabic has a south Semitic substrate


And for example Ethio-Semitic languages have a Cushitic substrate

E.g. Amharic and Tigrinya have a Central Cushitic susbtrate

Tiger has Beja as it's substrate


And the MSA, or Modern South Arabian languages (like Socotra and Mahra languages) are said to have had a Cushitic substrate also. This has lead to the hypothesis that Cushites also occupied Southern Arabia.

I think that Arabic dialects apart from the gulf Arabs started as creoles language because Arabic was a lingu Franca during that time. I agree with you that Arabic dialects should be considered different languages due to them not being mutually intelligible with classic arabic. If you've got an Arab from the 7th century he will only understand some words that are being spoken due to the similarities in vocabulary. I think it's like if an English speaker tried to under French obviously not that extreme but you get what I'm saying