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Waryaa? Where did I say it was justified? Some of you need to chill with assuming things.
Arab propaganda documentary on Somalia claims Mogadishu is an Arab founded city
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We need strict immigration laws on dadkaan, and they need to be given a booklet on manners in Somalia. In fact, insulting comments about skin colour should be made illegal in Somalia.
You must be rer baadiyaha because those that are casri ah know what is up and love their people and country unlike you treasonous self hating slaves why are you in here defending your masters if you didn’t hate yourself and didn’t worship those that hate?
This is what I have issues with but afraid to speak out due to being called out for “fold out of Islam”.
You can see how tribalism is still deeply entrenched in Muslim cultures all over the world till this day whereas all the other non-Muslims have moved on to nationalism which is very odd because of how Islam forbade it and preaches “Ummah is One”.
It should’ve been abolished 1,400 years ago to an Islamic identity/nationality instead and we wouldn’t be hearing Arab superiority so this begs the question why is it still a thing today?
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Barawani delusion funded by Om@n?
This recent influx of kibir and propaganda is being funded by foreign governments. I hope Somalis wake up, unite and deal with this nonsense. Do you all remember seeing all these fake maps and social media accounts where they want to act like Somalia was Tanzania/Zanzibar, as in ruled over by...
www.somalispot.com
. Whoever says otherwise get tf out. We are naturally orientated toward the coast as a peopleSomalia is a hot skip away from Yemen and the rest of the M.E. This bizarre pro black position is weird and I think Somalis should reject it because its not our wordview. Africa is made up of tribalism which older than race. This bizarre pro black mindset the diaspora is being conditioned to when they shout we are black not Arab is bizarre. Based on our location our culture is a mix of both. I think Somalia is similar to Nepal where there is a mix of cultures and influence.
This obsession with declaring pan-african comes from Black Americans who have sadly been conditioned to think Africans are marginalized due to a lack of unity while Europeans "stick together" which is a warped way of thinking. Sadly they live in a uncivlized culture where money is everything. Humans are rarely unified based on race since it is way to broad. Europeans slaughter each other all time and probably at a worse rate due to the rapid technologies they develop. Where is their unity? Ukraine vs Russia? WW1 or WW2? I dont see Europeans as united, the complete opposite.
Somalia is a port country and had influences from Arabs, Bantus and the inhabitants Cushites. It has a mix of different cultures. It makes no sense to hate any group. Our problems are not ideological, its economical and also environmental with wealth now in the sea. There is wealth in the diaspora as well. We have a beautiful rich culture that is beautiful mashallah and have all the conditions to thrive and inshallah we will like Qatar. Countries rise and fall. Wealth can be a gift and a curse. Look at all the Arabs wanting to return to their free Bedouin culture over fighting over resources. Asian cultures have wealth power along with a high suicide rate and a lack of balance of work life. I realized as long as you have enough to live, you can be freer than someone with wealth.
This obsession with declaring pan-african comes from Black Americans who have sadly been conditioned to think Africans are marginalized due to a lack of unity while Europeans "stick together" which is a warped way of thinking. Sadly they live in a uncivlized culture where money is everything. Humans are rarely unified based on race since it is way to broad. Europeans slaughter each other all time and probably at a worse rate due to the rapid technologies they develop. Where is their unity? Ukraine vs Russia? WW1 or WW2? I dont see Europeans as united, the complete opposite.
Somalia is a port country and had influences from Arabs, Bantus and the inhabitants Cushites. It has a mix of different cultures. It makes no sense to hate any group. Our problems are not ideological, its economical and also environmental with wealth now in the sea. There is wealth in the diaspora as well. We have a beautiful rich culture that is beautiful mashallah and have all the conditions to thrive and inshallah we will like Qatar. Countries rise and fall. Wealth can be a gift and a curse. Look at all the Arabs wanting to return to their free Bedouin culture over fighting over resources. Asian cultures have wealth power along with a high suicide rate and a lack of balance of work life. I realized as long as you have enough to live, you can be freer than someone with wealth.
Teaching people about this type of history is vile. Ignorance is bliss. I think what they do in the Americas teaching history is hurtful and a way to create division and hatred. And it's sadly has become widespread. Slavery was all over the world and should not be a source of arrogance or victimization. While the West is divided by this the Asian nations are advancing. Tribalism can only get worse with the economy decreasing.
You claim they are our masters yet you are speaking like you are our masters telling us what to think when we are a older more ancient culture than you. You can brainwash the diaspora but you won't pull this off with Somalis because you have a major barrier:
They dont speak English thank God and their lives are too hard to worry about pride and legacy. They are busy surviving than to worry about this vileness. So good luck.
Pan-africanism is silly, yes. But we are a darker skinned people, it’s good to keep that in mind when dealing with other people, especially arabs who have their own legacy of slavery and they have a genuine dislike for darker skin because of it’s associations with slavery
What aspects of our culture is arab? (And no you’re not allowed to mentioned anything related to islam.). In what way did bantus influence Somalia?
Anyway the arab world is riddled with social issues, I think it’d be in the best interest of somali people to limit their influence just like they did in the past.. have our own religious institutions, no foreign funded media (Universal TV
), limit migration, heavily discourage intermarriage with alien people .. no shade but peope who marry out and their offspring seem to have alot of .. issues.All it takes is two two videos reminding somalis back home about how they have historically viewed other people and remind them of the treatment of somali refugees in Yemen to reverse any weird gulf-funded arab propaganda (somalis see arabs as a monolith hehe). ”Blacks” are not our allies, neither are arabs. Nothing shameful about pointing that out.
Anyway love and respect to the arab and ”black” masses.
I agree with points. The part of Somalia that is arabized comes from a) being neighbours geographically b) refugees and colonization (BOTH)Pan-africanism is silly, yes. But we are a darker skinned people, it’s good to keep that in mind when dealing with other people, especially arabs who have their own legacy of slavery and they have a genuine dislike for darker skin because of it’s associations with slavery
What aspects of our culture is arab? (And no you’re not allowed to mentioned anything related to islam.). In what way did bantus influence Somalia?
Anyway the arab world is riddled with social issues, I think it’d be in the best interest of somali people to limit their influence just like they did in the past.. have our own religious institutions, no foreign funded media (Universal TV
For example you can argue America is influenced by Hispanic culture why? Thr geography. California, Texas etc this is one of the most powerful nations in the world. If theu cant avoid it, imagine Somalis in Somalis and the diaspora. It makes no sense that we wouldn't be influenced by other Africans, M.E etc. We know own tacos are Mexican/Hispanic but how will humans know in thousands of years from now. Not to mention California was once Hispanic. So you can be influenced as a ruler not just from being a immigrant. So who really brought halwa, henna, our clothing being arabized etc. Terms in our language including the most infamous Somali slang: wallahi. How can you not see the imfluence? Or Somali youths using the n word etc.
The pro-black people think we adopted M.E culture from being ruled and enslaved. Its more nuanced than that. The natives for example were conquered from many different angles. You had the merchants, the religion fanatics who wanted them to convert, refugees (Europeans fleeing disease, poverty etc).
Bantus aren't that influential like other Somalis but I would argue black americans are. This entire thread is about us being told we are slaves to Arabs THATS IDEOLOGICAL COLONIZATION. And many Somalis including bantus are believing this. This is how black supremacy works. Either way Somalis dont win because we will be placed at the bottom of Blacks or the bottom of Arabs. We have to maintain our own ideology which impossible to do in a diaspora.
Interracial couples barely make a dent in this ideological colonization theu are just the byproduct of our surroundings. If white people in America couldn't avoid Interracial dating/marriages how the hell can we and I mean both genders? Go read on Italians in America in the 1900s and you will se much similarities. Theu hated IR dating. Hell they still do. Look as Asian women etc.
Your last paragraph is fascinating because thats what China is trying to do for decades now. Its hard:
And that is happening in one of the most powerful nations. But you are correct but how is answer without the funds? Right now our biggest defense is language being a barrior (not the diasporas). They did this shit to every diaspora, its called assimilation. We aren't the first not the last.
It's not the ones back home that are the issue. Sadly Islam has become humiliating for non-Arabs since Arabs themselves are fighting for their lives.
Imo the answer to band with fellow east Africans despite the religious differences: Kenyans, Ethiopians, Sudan etc. Remember Kenya produced the most famous black american= Obama. I dont think these groups are our enemies. Everyone is trying to survive. But I am developing a disdain for calling us all Uncle Tom's. Its a loss either way since both groups out power us.
Not all murtads are self haters. I think atheists have always existed since the inception of religion think the Pharohs lol rejecting the abrahamic religions or other Arabs who opposed our deen mentioned in the Quran. Its not always self hatred or conformity, it can also be the denial of deen and God. Its nonsensical to they are rejecting God for race, some maybe are since humans are social and like to belong. Others are just rejecting deen period. Was Satan a self hater? No. For some its arrogance not self hate.
It's not the ones back home that are the issue. Sadly Islam has become humiliating for non-Arabs since Arabs themselves are fighting for their lives.
Imo the answer to band with fellow east Africans despite the religious differences: Kenyans, Ethiopians, Sudan etc. Remember Kenya produced the most famous black american= Obama. I dont think these groups are our enemies. Everyone is trying to survive. But I am developing a disdain for calling us all Uncle Tom's. Its a loss either way since both groups out power us.
Not all murtads are self haters. I think atheists have always existed since the inception of religion think the Pharohs lol rejecting thr abrahamic religions or other Arabs who opposed our deen mentioned in the Quran. Its not self hatred its denial of deen and God. Its nonsensical to they are rejecting God for race, some maybe are. Others are just rejecting deen period. Was Satan a self hater? No.
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Ally yourself with Kenya and Ethiopia?! 
We are neighbours, ofc there will be influence on both sides and intermarriages since people have lived on both sides. But you made the claim that Somalia was a mix of both cultures, lol that’s a bold statement. Halwo? Thats one dish. What traditional clothing is arabized ? I feel like u guys are exaggerating their influenceI agree with points. The part of Somalia that is arabized comes from a) being neighbours geographically b) refugees and colonization (BOTH)
For example you can argue America is influenced by Hispanic culture why? Thr geography. California, Texas etc this is one of the most powerful nations in the world. If theu cant avoid it, imagine Somalis in Somalis and the diaspora. It makes no sense that we wouldn't be influenced by other Africans, M.E etc. We know own tacos are Mexican/Hispanic but how will humans know in thousands of years from now. Not to mention California was once Hispanic. So you can be influenced as a ruler not just from being a immigrant. So who really brought halwa, henna, our clothing being arabized etc. Terms in our language including the most infamous Somali slang: wallahi. How can you not see the imfluence? Or Somali youths using the n word etc.
The pro-black people think we adopted M.E culture from being ruled and enslaved. Its more nuanced than that. The natives for example were conquered from many different angles. You had the merchants, the religion fanatics who wanted them to convert, refugees (Europeans fleeing disease, poverty etc).
Bantus aren't that influential like other Somalis but I would argue black americans are. This entire thread is about us being told we are slaves to Arabs THATS IDEOLOGICAL COLONIZATION. And many Somalis including bantus are believing this. This is how black supremacy works. Either way Somalis dont win because we will be placed at the bottom of Blacks or the bottom of Arabs. We have to maintain our own ideology which impossible to do in a diaspora.
Interracial couples barely make a dent in this ideological colonization theu are just the byproduct of our surroundings. If white people in America couldn't avoid Interracial dating/marriages how the hell can we and I mean both genders? Go read on Italians in America in the 1900s and you will se much similarities. Theu hated IR dating. Hell they still do. Look as Asian women etc.
Your last paragraph is fascinating because thats what China is trying to do for decades now. Its hard:
And that is happening in one of the most powerful nations. But you are correct but how is answer without the funds? Right now our biggest defense is language being a barrior (not the diasporas). They did this shit to every diaspora, its called assimilation. We aren't the first not the last.
I don’t mean to be disrespectful but I do see these people as lower than us, not only because of their culture but also because they have low racial self-esteem. Like there are arabs marrying whites to ”purify” their blood and the bleaching cream industry is massive there, even in the richest and well educated arab societies. This was long before this trend (more likely disease) became popular in urban hubs in Somalia.
anyway alhamdulillah barely any of our people speak arabic so we haven’t really inherited many of their issues, atleast not to the same degree.
Right it makes make sense to insulate and just die out like other groups. Why not? I mean its not like the other groups are lining up. Lets instead convince the Arabs to put us ahead of Turkey or their beloved Palestine. Or convince Nato to take us over Ukraine. That will work instead.Ally yourself with Kenya and Ethiopia?!
Imo we will have a better relationship with them after land is taken back. All their hostility towards us is because they occupy our land, which is sad since they’d benefit immensely from being our allies than our foes
Well you already agreed with me.
You told me to not include Islam which literally the biggest influence of spreading Arab culture. Thats like me asking Black Americans how did you become Western but dont include slavery (changing their location) and dont mention religion. Then how the hell else did happen.
Let me list more for you:
Names (traditional Somali names like Samatar etc)
Camel herding (which we know we started)
Hijab, Niqab, Henna etc.
Internet (for everyone)
Jihad (we had the Mad Mullah who was a brutal fighter too fought the British)
Some Arabs might agree with you. Saddam Hussein was a Somaliphile. Many Arabs are since they are starting to hate their own people. I've seen some want to be more African (Ghadafi wanted to leave Arab League since the Gulf sees N.A as inferior too).
The last part isnt true our people are becoming more arabized through islamic education. Tbf we only had a choice between that or non profits teaching westernization which is way too different.
Now the lightskin thing is funny because I had a black guy say white people made the standard of beauty only. I asked him what about fat assess bbl craze and he stfu right after. Miss me with that. Skin lightening is a whole different thing and imo I think it comes from black people. White people see us all as black. Its divide and conquer.
