Anyone else seeing the propaganda pushed out by extremist SL supporters today?

Magan95

Magan95

Gantaal97 said:
You're an idiot qorba joog kid let me tell you this samaroon gadabursi own their region there's no Isaaq sub clan running around and they decided to be part of Somaliland and if they want to be out of Somaliland they can that's their choice and no one can stop them
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Did I ever deny that Samaroon own their region?
It would be smart on the part of Isaaqs to do that lest they sow more discord.

I have boots and roots in Borama and I'm telling you, people are just biding their time until Somalia gets it together. Somaliland isn't even recognized internationally by world leaders and will never be.
 
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Gantaal97

Magan95 said:
Ah, so were back to denying a massacre that has occurred.
Interesting.

You do understand that no majority world country recognizes the autonomy of Somaliland right?
When Somalia gets its shit together, we'll see what the future holds.

In the meantime, don't cry about people denying the Isaaq massacre.
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Isaaq massacre is a fact that won't change however you like to deny it and Somaliland is out from Xamar hands and only talks would solve the issue wither Xamar recognizes Somaliland or does some changes to its political system to accommodate Somaliland and we know what the answer would be.
 
Dharbaaxo Jin

Dharbaaxo Jin

Magan95 said:
You do understand that it was Canada: Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada that wrote this report right?

You gave me the Washington Post,
I gave you Ref world which has the citations listed at the bottom. You can easily follow them.
Wikipedia itself also lists citations at the bottom.

There is not much of a difference.
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No it didn't - Show me that report on the Canadian agencies website.

The citations cannot be followed. Show me where those citations say anything like what refworld is claiming.

I gave you the actual Washington Post article, link and the direct quote about the Somaliland genocide.

You can't give direct source from the time, that is remotely credible.
 
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Gantaal97

Magan95 said:
Did I ever deny that Samaroon own their region?
It would be smart on the part of Isaaqs to do that lest they sow more discord.

I have boots and roots in Borama and I'm telling you, people are just biding their time until Somalia gets it together. Somaliland isn't even recognized internationally by world leaders and will never be.
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Somaliland is de facto an independent state recognition isn't important right now and what's important is what somaliland has built for the last 30 years.
Isaaqs recognize that Awdal belongs to reer Awdal and we elected one of your son who was former faqash to the presidency
 
Magan95

Magan95

The Crowe said:
No it didn't - Show me that report on the Canadian agencies website.

The citations cannot be followed. Show me where those citations say anything like what refworld is claiming.

I gave you the actual Washington Post article, link and the direct quote about the Somaliland genocide.

You can't give direct source from the time, that is remotely credible.
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The washington post article you linked is not working.
I took the liberty to find my own link and this is what I got:

There are absolutely no citations listed anywhere in this article.

The only part where they mention the Genocide is from:
In Somalia, the Isaaq clan is the target of government genocide. The Isaaq-based Somali National Movement (SNM), an insurgency group headquartered in Ethiopia for years, invaded Somalia in mid-1988 and now controls a large part of the north.

The government's response has been brutal. An aerial bombing campaign devastated large sections of the cities and productive areas in the north. Wells have been poisoned, villages have been burned and Isaaq civilians have been rounded up and executed by government troops. President Barre has also supplied weapons to Ethiopian refugees inside Somalia and to opposition Ethiopian groups to attack Isaaq civilians. Africa Watch estimates that 50,000 Somali citizens have been killed during the past year and a half, the majority being Isaaq civilians.

The governments of Sudan, Ethiopia and Somalia are just as non-democratic, exclusionary and racist as the apartheid regime in South Africa. The international community cannot continue to apply band aids to a cancerous system. The same policies used to isolate the South African government should be emphasized against Horn dictators.
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Towards the end it says:
Almami Cyllah is government program officer of Africa Amnesty International. John Prendergast is a research associate of Center of Concern.

Once again, no citations listed. Not even 1. So this is your source?
Also does this sound impartial to you? "The international community cannot continue to apply band aids to a cancerous system."

So, why don't you prove to me that the Isaaq "genocide" actually occurred if the death toll is as high as you claim?
 
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Gantaal97

Magan95 said:
The washington post article you linked is not working.
I took the liberty to find my own link and this is what I got:

There are absolutely no citations listed anywhere in this article.



Towards the end it says:
Almami Cyllah is government program officer of Africa Amnesty International. John Prendergast is a research associate of Center of Concern.

Once again, no citations listed. Not even 1. So this is your source?
Also does this sound impartial to you? "The international community cannot continue to apply band aids to a cancerous system."

So, why don't you prove to me that the Isaaq "genocide" actually occurred if the death toll is as high as you claim?
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Are you seriously saying SNM had a policy of committing genocide against samroon?? :heh:
 
Magan95

Magan95

Gantaal97 said:
Somaliland is de facto an independent state recognition isn't important right now and what's important is what somaliland has built for the last 30 years.
Isaaqs recognize that Awdal belongs to reer Awdal and we elected one of your son who was former faqash to the presidency
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The important question is, is there a Somaliland passport that is widely accepted and can get you into any other nation apart from the UAE, Ethiopia, Kenya, and maybe Djibouti?

I find it ridiculous to claim independence, then still use a Somalia passport to go to major western countries lol. You are not recognized. Stop the propaganda.
 
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Gantaal97

Magan95 said:
The washington post article you linked is not working.
I took the liberty to find my own link and this is what I got:

There are absolutely no citations listed anywhere in this article.



Towards the end it says:
Almami Cyllah is government program officer of Africa Amnesty International. John Prendergast is a research associate of Center of Concern.

Once again, no citations listed. Not even 1. So this is your source?
Also does this sound impartial to you? "The international community cannot continue to apply band aids to a cancerous system."

So, why don't you prove to me that the Isaaq "genocide" actually occurred if the death toll is as high as you claim?
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Isaaq genocide is real where that kacaan had a policy of isaaq elimination from the north
Here's morgan letter of death of a final solution to the "isaaq problem"
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A segment from the letter

"Since it has become evident that the Isaaq were, by act and intent, with the SNM; and since we could not see them giving up the line they have pursued so deceptively for some time; and in order to forestall them; we arranged for the other inhabitants of the North continuous meetings and a mobilization campaign designed to rouse them to action and to raise their level of awareness. This was intended to strengthen their unity and to surround Somali unity with a defensive wall. Among those inhabitants are: the Awdal people, the various sections of Western Somalis [including Ogaden refugees], the Las Qorey people, and the Daami people, etc. There is no doubt that the unity of these people will restore the balance of the scales which are now tipped in favour of the Isaaq. If they attack their tasks energetically, their unity will also undoubtedly humble those who arrogantly maintain that they own the North when the reality is otherwise."
English translation of the letter http://finalsolutiontoisaqproblem.blogspot.com/2008/02/morgans-death-letter-last-solution-to.html
 
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Gantaal97

Magan95 said:
The important question is, is there a Somaliland passport that is widely accepted and can get you into any other nation apart from the UAE, Ethiopia, Kenya, and maybe Djibouti?

I find it ridiculous to claim independence, then still use a Somalia passport to go to major western countries lol. You are not recognized. Stop the propaganda.
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We're independent that's what matters alhamdullah that's why there's no chaos in Hargeisa because of xamar politics
 
Dharbaaxo Jin

Dharbaaxo Jin

Magan95 said:
The washington post article you linked is not working.
I took the liberty to find my own link and this is what I got:

There are absolutely no citations listed anywhere in this article.



Towards the end it says:
Almami Cyllah is government program officer of Africa Amnesty International. John Prendergast is a research associate of Center of Concern.

Once again, no citations listed. Not even 1. So this is your source?
Also does this sound impartial to you? "The international community cannot continue to apply band aids to a cancerous system."

So, why don't you prove to me that the Isaaq "genocide" actually occurred if the death toll is as high as you claim?
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Are you dense? The Washington Post article IS THE SOURCE.

It was written in July 1990, in the middle of the genocide taking place.

Here a Guardian article from 1988.

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Gantaal97

Magan95 said:
Can you give me a reputable source with proper citations that support the so called "Isaaq genocide happening?"
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Dude google is your friend and also you won't find a single isaaq who doesn't have relatives who died at the hands of the regime. I have several of my family members who were killed and some missing with our home being bombarded by the regime forcing my grandparents to walk miles to reach Ethiopia to take refuge in the camps while the regime were firing shots against them before crossing the border.
 
Magan95

Magan95

Gantaal97 said:
Isaaq genocide is real where that kacaan had a policy of isaaq elimination from the north
Here's morgan letter of death of a final solution to the "isaaq problem"
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A segment from the letter

"Since it has become evident that the Isaaq were, by act and intent, with the SNM; and since we could not see them giving up the line they have pursued so deceptively for some time; and in order to forestall them; we arranged for the other inhabitants of the North continuous meetings and a mobilization campaign designed to rouse them to action and to raise their level of awareness. This was intended to strengthen their unity and to surround Somali unity with a defensive wall. Among those inhabitants are: the Awdal people, the various sections of Western Somalis [including Ogaden refugees], the Las Qorey people, and the Daami people, etc. There is no doubt that the unity of these people will restore the balance of the scales which are now tipped in favour of the Isaaq. If they attack their tasks energetically, their unity will also undoubtedly humble those who arrogantly maintain that they own the North when the reality is otherwise."
English translation of the letter http://finalsolutiontoisaqproblem.blogspot.com/2008/02/morgans-death-letter-last-solution-to.html
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Interesting... you got it from a blog spot.

How do we know it's not fake?

Give me a reputable source.
 
Magan95

Magan95

The Crowe said:
Are you dense? The Washington Post article IS THE SOURCE.

It was written in July 1990, in the middle of the genocide taking place.

Here a Guardian article from 1990.

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The Washington post is not a proper source itself. They need to list where they got the source from, whether they have journalists on the ground, whether they have pictures to corroborate. When they write articles like this, they should have sources linked into the article. Such as, a source for the claim "on reports that the Somali leader may have got chemical weapons."

A source for "as man as 50,000 conscripts may have been forcibly enlisted."

A source for where they are getting "near genocide operations against the Isaaq."

What proof is there that this occurred? Try again. This time, give me proper sources and evidence of this genocide occurring.
 
Dharbaaxo Jin

Dharbaaxo Jin

Magan95 said:
The Washington post is not a proper source itself. hey need to list where they got the source from, whether they have journalists on the ground, whether they have pictures to corroborate. When they write articles like this, they should have sources linked into the article.Such as, a source for the claim "on reports that the Somali leader may have got chemical weapons."

A source for "as man as 50,000 conscripts may have been forcibly enlisted."

A source for where they are getting "near genocide operations against the Isaaq."

What proof is there that this occurred? Try again. This time, give me proper sources and evidence of this genocide occurring.
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Here you go. It includes a list of the specific massacres, numbers and a chronicle of the timeline.

Human Rights Watch - Jan 1990
 
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