Any proof of shewa sultanate and a horn based banu makhzum dynasty
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Idilinaa
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I believe they have textual evidence from chronicles uncovered by Enrico Cerulli, but it hasn't been identified archeologically speaking
Isnt enrico cerulli a liar? This guy sabotages everything.
Idilinaa
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The chronicles and texts are authentic.
His interpretations of facts are questionable indeed and his conclusions as well.
Instead of just presenting the primary sources and what's written & preserved he just makes crap up along with it.
I hope he rots in hell him and I.M Lewis these people done us so dirty
Was the shewa sultanate Somali?
Idilinaa
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No, it doesn't seem like it was.
What about ifat and Adal I heard they were hararis
Idilinaa
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Awfat and Awdal were Somali connected to Zayla and the eastern lowlands(Jabarta).
A recent Oxford academic study says Somalis pretty much dominated Showa and conquered the Amhara province and expanded from the Somali inhabited areas.. They are basing this on cultural and material evidence that connects it to Somali inhabited areas away from the highlands, as it underwent a cultural change.
This is pretty much confirmed by Al-Maqrizi who says the Walashma founders expanded from Jabarta and a local medieval chronicle document who detail them to be by from Awdal.
Al-Maqrizi literally says they came from northern Somalia (Jabarta region connected to Zeila) and gradually moved further inland to occupy Awfat.
Local manuscript on the History of Walashma confirms and details the same thing about them conquering Shoa and incorporating it with Awdal (Zeila province).
Showa was connected to the highlands and was conquered by Awfat that expanding from the east from Awdal(Zayla).
Harari is not even an ethnicity that even existed: It's literally Gurage & Oromo's that moved into a Somali city and started to name themselves after it.
Brother I've made 3 claims, but let's address all anyways.
1. Afars were never once mentioned in the futuh, and we know from primary Portuguese sources that they were allied to the Abyssinians and considered Adalites their "ancient enemies":
2. Modern hararis in my humble opinion are recent medieval arrivals, there's no evidence to support that they inhabited harar prior to the 16th century
but infact they might've actually still been the same people as gurages during the futuh (the futuh speaks about gurages being Abyssinian subjects).
Both east gurages and hararis have sidamic substratum and are actually very closely related language (like af maxa and af maay):
You know the oromo migration overran the gurage zone (possible place of origins of modern hararis) and there's many sources speaking of arrivals who ran from oromo onslaught.
The oromos went to harar after overrunning gurage zone (here's a sketch showing oromo migration and how it went, the yellow zone in the middle should be gurage not very accurate)
The Hararis (Adare) were aware of having the same origins as the gurages and they even kept this conscious awareness alive.
On top of that The oromos called both east gurages and hararis "Adare"
And one good point is, you know when somalis come foreign lands they adopt the language of the people of where they reside? Like somalis in aden/mocha/mukalla speak arabic
Somalis in lamu/mombasa speak swahili
And somalis in living with afars in arena speak afar?
The roles were changed in harar, somalis used to speak their own language in the city while the vast majority of hararis spoke either galla or somali as a 2nd language (probably most of them spoke somali as a 2nd language):
The name harar itself is somali and and there are many places who bear the same name
Summary: Modern Hararis are recent arrivals from the devastated Gurage zone due to Oromo onslaught during the medieval period.
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3. Futuh keeps talking about muslim converts coming from tigray.
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Is it true Harla is Darood?
Idilinaa
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Yes there is an arabic text that describes this in detail:
Harla was 1 single Somali darood clan that lived between hawash and at end the of upper shabelle. They didn't even live in Harar. There is zero proof they was a seperate ethnicity as well.
Around the same place futuh places them:
How about makhzumi dynasty
Isn’t there an ethio-Semitic group called Harla
Idilinaa
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Nope. There is a Somali darood clan by that name that still exist, they used to speak a Somali dialect.
No. That's the dynasty that is claimed to have ruled showa before it was conquered by Wali Asma.
So its not somali? Shewa is not unuka leh? Also to add on to @The Macrobian question what about argobba or afar? I see many amharas attrubuting ifat, adal etc. To them.
Idilinaa
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No, but it became incorporated as a province into a Somali sultanate after being conquered.
So what ethnic was shewa sultanate then and also How about argobba and afar, many ethiopists associate them with adal, ifat, walasma etc.
Idilinaa
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Not sure, but they were probably ethio-semetic speaking highlanders.
I just know the whole area became populated by agro-pastoral Somali clans after it being conquered
There was multiple Somali agro-pastoral clans living in the hawash river around showa that acted as a border Baqulzar, Gatur, Warjac , Hargayah etc even sections of Geri were sedentary agro-pastoralists with Gedayah Geri in the showa area.
Afar was confined to northern eritrean seaboard salt depressions they had nothing to do with Awdal/Awfat and Danakil are explicitly mentioned to be allied and tributary to Abyssinia centered around the port of Beylul. and they considered Awdalites their ancient enemies
Brother I've made 3 claims, but let's address all anyways.
1. Afars were never once mentioned in the futuh, and we know from primary Portuguese sources that they were allied to the Abyssinians and considered Adalites their "ancient enemies":
Argoba was a province, and not an ethnicity and those re-used that provincial name are just Amharas that came down at the turn of the 19th century.
And researchers have investigated Argobba and its the same case for them they have no connections to the land or of Awfat and some was peasants from the upper plateau and some of them were Amhara colonizers who came to the area in the 19th century and took on the regional name:
It also made clear when you consider how the population of awfat & showa under the Sultan in the christian chronicles of the 13th century were referred to as pastoral camel herders, something the modern day Agrogoba don't keep or raise camels:
Christian depiction of Awfat population being pastoral camel herders alongside agricultural use like utilizing mills to farm plants and this xenophobic fiction is attributed to the Sultan imbued with cultural stereotypes:
How this depiction separates it from nearby Muslims like Aggrobba:
The camel is continuously used as a separating marker between the Christians and the Muslims might i add.
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This is rubbish harla are msot likely hararis
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