Merchant of Mogadishu
From Pella to Pattala, then back to Babylon
Mogadishu?
Merca?
Bur Gao (Port Dunford)
Kismaayo?
No maritime history?
Are you sure about that sxb?
Ancient history of somalia
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Mogadishu?
Merca?
Bur Gao (Port Dunford)
Kismaayo?
No maritime history?
Are you sure about that sxb?
I think they are the best available. Their author used the distances actually listed in the Periplus, rather than the guess and go of other representations.
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Those maps were made by another Cadaan man on somnet. Ignore the Suugo science of grant which consists of mainly wikipedia, wordpresses and other non sense.
Mogadishu?
Merca?
Bur Gao (Port Dunford)
Kismaayo?
No maritime history?
Are you sure about that sxb?
Kismayu was a Bajunni degaan until quite late.
Bur Gao was found archaeologically to be a Roman era trading post.
Depending on period, Mogadishu was a stronghold of Himyarites, Shirazis, Shanshis , Omanis and other Arabs. The Abgal only get control about 1665.
Is there any indication for shipbuilding at Merca? Heven't seen any.
Merchant of Mogadishu
From Pella to Pattala, then back to Babylon
So you're telling me that Mogadishu was never controlled by Somalis until late in the 17th Century?
Complete and utter bullshit.
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don't listen to this geezer he is an historical revisionist.
So you're telling me that Mogadishu was never controlled by Somalis until late in the 17th Century?
Utter bullshit.
So you're telling me that Mogadishu was never controlled by Somalis until late in the 17th Century?
Utter bullshit.
Yep, although it was early 17th century, I got the year wrong. It was about 1624, maybe slightly earlier. The Muzzaffar dynasty was Omani.
https://operationoverload.wordpress.com/?s=The+Hiraab+enter+Mogadishu
"The Darandoolle have conquered Mogadishu city and killed the Muzzaffar governor sometime between 1590 and 1625. The approximate dates appear to be corroborated by a Portuguese document dated 1624<!–[if !supportFootnotes]–>[6]<!–[endif]–>.
After the Darandoolle Mudulood took control of the Mogadishu city in 1624, they quarrelled with the Ajuraan on the interior.
‘After entering Muqdisho, the Darandoolle quarrelled with the Ajuraan. They quarrelled over watering rights. The Ajuraan had decreed: ‘At the wells in our territory, the people known as Darandoolle and the other Hiraab cannot water their herds by day, but only at night’’…Then all the Darandoolle gathered in one place. The leaders decided to make war on the Ajuraan. They found the imam of the Ajuraan seated on a rock near a well called Ceel Cawl. They killed him with a sword. As they struck him with the sword, they split his body together with the rock on which he was seated. He died immediately and the Ajuraan migrated out of the country.’<!–[if !supportFootnotes]–>[7]<!–[endif]–>"
You should also read the sections before this. The Somalification of Mog took a long time.
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Kkkk ignore him. This nigga has spent his whole life trying to discredit ethnic Somali history. Apparently we only entered northern Somalia in the 13th century. He thinks that the Midgaan are Khoisan and the original inhabitants.
So you're telling me that Mogadishu was never controlled by Somalis until late in the 17th Century?
Complete and utter bullshit.
Merchant of Mogadishu
From Pella to Pattala, then back to Babylon
So nothing about how the Greeks documented that Sarapion was inhabited by the Barbaroi (Somalis) since 200BC
Warya f*ck off with your revisionist shit.
http://www.wow.com/wiki/Sultanate_of_Mogadishu
"According to the 16th century explorer Leo Africanus, the Mogadishu Sultanate (Magadazo) was the principal city-state within the larger Adea Kingdom, located south of the Adal Sultanate and east of the Abyssinian Empire. It was ruled by an Islamic aristocracy, which paid tribute to the Christian king of Abyssinia.[28] Leo Africanus also indicates that the native inhabitants of the Adea polity were of the same origins as the denizens of the northern Adal Sultanate. They were generally of an olive complexion, with some darker. They were shirtless, wearing only sarongs, and used Arabic as a lingua franca. Their weaponry consisted of lances and bows and arrows. Most were Muslims, although a few adhered to heathen bedouin tradition; there were also a number of Abyssinian Christians further inland. Magadazo itself was a wealthy, powerful and well-built city-state, which maintained commercial trade with the sultanates of Aden and Cambay, among other kingdoms.[29] It was surrounded by walled stone fortifications: initially, only towards the hinterland, but later also on the littoral, so as to provide a bulwark against marauding by the pagan Cafri "negroes" of the interior and the early Portuguese explorers, respectively.[30]
The various Sultans of Mogadishu are mainly known from the Mogadishan currency on which many of their names are engraved. However, their succession dates and genealogical relations are obscure.[31] The founder of the Sultanate was reportedly Fakr ad-Din, who was related to Sheikh Abadir Umar ar-Rida, the patron saint of Harar.[32] While only a handful of the pieces have been precisely dated, the Mogadishu Sultanate's first coins were minted at the beginning of the 14th century, with the last issued around the late 17th century. The following list of the Sultans of Mogadishu is abridged and is primarily derived from these mints.[33] The first of two dates uses the Islamic calendar, with the second using the Julian calendar; single dates are based on the Julian (European) calendar.
# Sultan Reign Notes
1 Abu Bakr b. Fakhr ad Din fl 1250 Founder of the Mogadishu Sultanate's first ruling house, the Fakr ad-Din dynasty.
2 Abu Bakr b. Muhammad fl 722/1322-1323 Ruling Sultan when Ibn Battuta visited the kingdom in 1331.
3 Al-Rahman b. al-Musa'id probably 8th/14th century
4 Yusuf b. Sa'id fl 8th/14th century
5 Sultan Muhammad fl 8th/14th century
6 Rasul b. 'Ali fl 8th/14th century
7 Yusuf b. Abi Bakr fl 8th/14th century
8 Malik b. Sa'id unknown dates, style of 8th/14th century
9 Sultan 'Umar fl 9th/15th century (?)
10 Zubayr b. 'Umar fl c. 9th/15th century "
Sultan Fakr ad Din was related to Saint Abadir of Harar, who was undeniably Arab. Look it up for yourself.
If you check the Codka Beesha Direed, you will see that the Muzzaffars didn't even allow Somalis into the city at night, understandable, given Leo's description of them. But it is listed as one of the reasons for the revolt.
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Mogadishu paid tribute to Abyssinia? Part of the Adal Kingdom? Christians in Southern Somalia? It’s obvious that this dubious description of Mogadishu by a man who never even travelled to East Africa isn’t reliable.
“It is unlikely that Leo Africanus visited all the places that he describes and he must therefore have relied on information obtained from other travelers.”
Furthermore, it says that the people use Arabic as a lingua franca, NOT that they are Arabs. It also says that the people of Mogadishu and the people of Northern Somalia are the same people. Your only source disproves you. And stop making lies saying how “Somalis we’re not allowed to enter Mogadishu” based on a bloody word-press that you didn’t even reference. WTF? You stupid cadaan colonialist. Dedicating your life making lies about Somalis just because you were kicked out of our county.
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https://operationoverload.wordpress.com/?s=The+Hiraab+enter+Mogadishu
It's by Daud Jimale, quoting Cerulli. Extensive references at the bottom.:
"Cerulli has recorded traditional narrative of how the Darandole conquered Mogadishu against the Muzaffar dynasty:
“In ancient times the Sirasi lived in Mogadiscio. The people called Halawani succeeded the Sirasi. The Mudaffar succeeded the Halawani. The Mudaffar came from the country of Yemen in Arabia. He had guns. He built the palace that is found under the Governor’s house. He was a friend of the Aguran. At that time the Mudaffar governed the coast; and the Aguran ruled in the woodland. The Hirabe were not nearby them; they lived in the northern places. At that time the people of the woodland could not spend the night in the city of Mogadiscio. At sunset a ban was put on the city: ‘Hawiyya, it is growing dark! Hawiyya, it is growing dark!’ Then they went away toward the woodland.
“Later the Mudaffar had an interpreter who was called ‘Ismankäy Haggi ‘Ali. This ‘Ismankäy had the idea of letting the Darandollä enter the city. A message was sent to the imam Mahmud ‘Umar, who lived at Golol. The imam, guiding his Page: 71 warriors, came south and approached Mogadiscio. Then what did ‘Ismankäy do? He spoke with the Mudaffar: ‘By now the Darandollä are near Mogadiscio, let me be accompanied by some soldiers, and I shall go to them.’ ‘How do you want to do it?’ ‘I shall do it this way. I shall come to an agreement with the leaders and make them return to the places in the north.’ ‘So be it!’ said the Mudaffar. Then ‘Ismänkäy took some soldiers with him, but without weapons: ‘Leave your weapons! We go out to conclude an agreement, not really for war.’ They put down the weaons. They went into the woodland. When they had gone into the woodland, the Darandollä came out and took all the soldiers prisoner. Then they continued the raid and entered Mogadiscio. The Mudaffar was caputred and they wanted to kill him. But he, looking at the people who had come close to him, saw among them ‘Ismankäy Haggi Ali. ‘Stop!’ he said then. ‘Before you kill me, I want to speak. O ‘Ismankäy, you are good for nothing, you are capable of nothing, you will not pass seven!’ he said. Thus was 248 ‘Ismankäy cursed. When the Mudaffar was killed, when seven days passed after his death, ‘Ismankäy died too. It happened exactly as he had been cursed.<!–[if !supportFootnotes]–>[5]<!–[endif]–>
The Darandoolle have conquered Mogadishu city and killed the Muzzaffar governor sometime between 1590 and 1625. The approximate dates appear to be corroborated by a Portuguese document dated 1624<!–[if !supportFootnotes]–>[6]<!–[endif]–>."
You need to read on at the link.
Different issue. He says the people of Adal and Mogadishu were the same. He did NOT say "north".
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The reason why he wants to try deny ethnic Somalis of our history is because he’s a Christian missionary and knows that we will never convert to his religion. Somali platforms are his propaganda outlets for his work. The reason why he targets the minorities such as Midgaan, Yibir, Gabooye, Eyle(who are all apparently completely Khoisan like South Africans) and Bantus is because they’re more vulnerable. Typical colonialist. Why else would a 70 year old Cadaan man dedicate his whole life to this?Grant has an agenda to completely erase Somali people from Somali history, who hasn't figured it out
He is a paid troll
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Isn't he Ethiopian? I heard he was an Ethiopian Christian troll. He's not white lol
Am surprised non of yall remembered the Kingdom of Kush. The kingdom of Kush is the ancient history of Somalia, we are descendends of the Kushites (black pharaoh) and Taharqa has all the somali features. we battled upper Egypt, Persia , The roman empire and they were crushed by the Kingdom of Kush. we even battled the Assyrians. Nowadays we have lazy sudanis claiming our history. I believe that for every tourist to those pyramids in Sudan, the federal governent of somalia should have a stake.
Ina adeer please Iska amus. Somalia was the first country in africa to do navel warfare and have traded with china for thousands of years.
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I wouldn't be surprised, he lies about Somalis and comes to the rescue of the habeshi and oromo on here.
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The Kingdom of Kush has nothing to do with Cushitic speakers other than the fact our names are a bit similar. The language they most likely spoke was Nilo-Saharan.Am surprised non of yall remembered the Kingdom of Kush. The kingdom of Kush is the ancient history of Somalia, we are descendends of the Kushites (black pharaoh) and Taharqa has all the somali features. we battled upper Egypt, Persia , The roman empire and they were crushed by the Kingdom of Kush. we even battled the Assyrians. Nowadays we have lazy sudanis claiming our history. I believe that for every tourist to those pyramids in Sudan, the federal governent of somalia should have a stake.
Bruv stfu I been told already. How was I suppose to know, Somali history ain't in the curriculum.
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