An article by a Somali journo. Is Mental Health a disease or a possession by Jinn?

Is mental health "a disease", or a "possession" by Jinn (Demon)?

  • Yes, It's possession by Jinni (Demons) that could only be healed by Religion.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes, iIt's like any other disease that could be treated or managed with modern medicine

    Votes: 16 72.7%
  • Both

    Votes: 4 18.2%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 2 9.1%

  • Total voters
    22
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Prayer is often presented as the answer to all mental health questions in the Somali diaspora, leaving a large section of its most vulnerable feeling marginalised and excluded.

Dahaba Ali Hussen @DahabaH

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Mental health was never a topic that was discussed frequently in my household, or at all. I grew up in the Somali diaspora in north London after my family moved to the UK in 2002 from the Netherlands through secondary immigration. My mother, like many Somali families, fled the civil war in the Nineties and was forced to resettle in a foreign land after factional infighting broke out in Somalia.

It was a brutal war, one that caused many to see their loved ones murdered before their eyes for simply belonging to the wrong clan. Fearing for their lives, people fled on foot and paid smugglers for entry to foreign lands. Now in the UK, Somali refugees are forced to grapple with the cultural and economic battles common to many who are forced to abandon their lives and seek refuge thousands of miles away from home. But in spite of that shared pain, in the Somali community, mental health goes largely unaddressed.

In my early teenage years, I would hear of a lady who lived in our neighbourhood. My mother would occasionally check in on her and her children, and bring them food and provisions where needed. When I would ask what was going on, my mother would struggle to articulate the situation. Other Somali women in our community would lower their voices whenever they mentioned her and would look almost scared of voicing her “symptoms” as if mental illness was contagious.

They would religiously bless themselves afterwards and quickly move on to different, lighter topics of conversation. I don’t believe these women are to blame for their actions though, especially given the fact that these are people who have crossed borders to escape war, dealt with harsh socio-economic conditions in the UK and are still trying to adopt a new British-Somali identity. In light of that, it’s somewhat understandable, albeit upsetting, that learning about mental health may have been slightly neglected.

Language is a powerful tool and can help shape whole societies and their cultural norms and practices. In the Somali community, there is a lot of negative language surrounding mental health. It is not uncommon to be described as “crazy” and “sick in the head”. Often, the most reported cases of mental illnesses will be those observed in women.

The slurs also have a habit of taking a gendered turn, and the woman in question is often accused of being a “bad Muslim”, who is simply being punished by Allah for her sins. Other popular rhetoric, at least in my experience, includes calling people with mental health issues “lazy” and “attention-seeking”, meaning that in most cases, those suffering from mental health problems are rarely weaved into the Somali narrative at all.

My brother dealt with mental health issues for the majority of my childhood. He made numerous suicide attempts that resulted in him being cared for solely by our mother for months at a time. When I was 11, he broke both of his legs in one of his attempts to take his life and moved back into our familial home. My mother was left virtually isolated as most of the people in the Somali community looked on in pity and felt largely hopeless. It is only now in my adult years that I understand there is more that the local authorities could have done, and could do now to help.

I know there are some organisations looking to work closely with local mosques to help dispel myths surrounding mental health, but I can’t help but feel that the Somali community has been largely untargeted. I am aware that there are cultural norms and practises that have survived for generations and I am also aware of the gravity of the task, but how many more families like my own need to suffer before we have a collective movement? There have been a handful of reports, but none of them have done any extensive research into the Somali community and its relationship with mental health.

The Somali diaspora in the UK identifies heavily with Islam and, in my experience, the answer to all mental health questions has been prayer and tightening your relationship with the deen (religion). A popular analysis of someone suffering from an illness is that they are possessed by Jinn (demons) or that they are dealing with Allah’s wrath from their previous sins.

This is interesting because in Islam, taking care of one’s health is one of the most important tasks placed upon Muslims. The hadeeth (teachings of the prophet Muhammed) clearly states that “Allah brought down the disease and he has also brought down the cure”, which can be applied to mental health as well as physical health. But misinterpretation can often lead to a real lack of understanding of the actualities of mental health within the Somali community, leaving a large section of its most vulnerable people feeling marginalised and excluded.

As I’ve said, more outreach programmes specifically targeted towards the Somali community, workshops held in schools and even more literature surrounding mental health written in Somali in GPs would help to tackle this issue moving forward, especially in terms of educating the older generations on mental health and allowing for greater communication about these issues. But overall, I believe the onus lies on the younger generations, including my own, to spearhead this movement and talk openly about mental health. It only has to start with a conversation.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...ommunity-civil-war-islam-muslim-a8616796.html

Let's see what you guys think, is mental health a disease or is the person "possessed by Jinn (Demon)?
 

Basra

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Both. Like everything there is NO either or neither. Jiini is involved some of the times, and biological imbalance also contributes. Nature & Nurture should be on the table.
 
Both. Like everything there is NO either or neither. Jiini is involved some of the times, and biological imbalance also contributes. Nature & Nurture should be on the table.

Basra

With due respect, I don't know how the nurture/nature doctrine applies to here. One is determined by our genes and the other by our environment.
 

YourBroMoe

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No offense, but what do you expect from uneducated people? I'm not being rude. I'm just being real. It has nothing to do with religion. Look at nations like Qatar and Turkey. There're rather modern for Muslim societies. As such, it should be sensibly assumed that they have a more modern view on mental health.

A lack of recognition on the sciences has to do with a lack of education. As you know, I'm not even religious.
 
@XawoTako

Ok, I added a third option of both. But what would others who claim mental illness is a "weakness of faith" think of this third option?
@XawoTako

Ok, I added a third option of both. But what would others who claim mental illness is a "weakness of faith" think of this third option? Let's see.
Mental illness is a human problem. It can be caused by variety of conditions such stress, loss or chemical imbalances. Just because an individual has mental illness doesn't mean they have weak faith however faith can people cope with mental health problems.
 
No offense, but what do you expect from uneducated people? I'm not being rude. I'm just being real. It has nothing to do with religion. Look at nations like Qatar and Turkey. There're rather modern for Muslim societies. As such, it should be sensibly assumed that they have a more modern view on mental health.

A lack of recognition on the sciences has to do with a lack of education. As you know, I'm not even religious.

YBM

Sxb, you made a valid point that mental health is just like any other diseases and should be sought professional help before it deteriorates to a dangerous point. Both countries that you have mentioned above have professional services that deals with mental health. But given that mental health is still a taboo subject and not only to the uneducated Somalis, but also among those who are educated in the diaspora. That is why it requires to overcome these taboos, so they can't get professional help and function within the society before they harm themselves, their loved ones or others. That was the gist of the article.
 

YourBroMoe

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YBM

Sxb, you made a valid point that mental health is just like any other diseases and should be sought professional help before it deteriorates to a dangerous point. Both countries that you have mentioned above have professional services that deals with mental health. But given that mental health is still a taboo subject and not only to the uneducated Somalis, but also among those who are educated in the diaspora. That is why it requires to overcome these taboos, so they can't get professional help and function within the society before they harm themselves, their loved ones or others. That was the gist of the article.
Agreed. The solution is simple, but the execution is difficult. The diaspora has to reject the taboo. This is honestly a simple taboo to reject.
 
Agreed. The solution is simple, but the execution is difficult. The diaspora has to reject the taboo. This is honestly a simple taboo to reject.

YBM

The problem is how to convince the Somali Imams. Much of this taboo emanates from them how they interpret the scriptures dealing with this issue. Why is the approach in Turkey and Qatar different to what they preach? If they are preaching mental illness is a sign of "weak faith" then debunking the taboo is a lost cause before it even starts.

The author writes;

"The Somali diaspora in the UK identifies heavily with Islam and, in my experience, the answer to all mental health questions has been prayer and tightening your relationship with the deen (religion). A popular analysis of someone suffering from an illness is that they are possessed by Jinn (demons) or that they are dealing with Allah’s wrath from their previous sins."
 

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I think it's both, Jin possessions in itself is disease by definition. The only difference is how some seek help. Both spiritual help and modern medicine can be used for the better.
 

YourBroMoe

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YBM

The problem is how to convince the Somali Imams. Much of this taboo emanates from them how they interpret the scriptures dealing with this issue. Why is the approach in Turkey and Qatar different to what they preach? If they are preaching mental illness is a sign of "weak faith" then debunking the taboo is a lost cause before it even starts.

The author writes;

"The Somali diaspora in the UK identifies heavily with Islam and, in my experience, the answer to all mental health questions has been prayer and tightening your relationship with the deen (religion). A popular analysis of someone suffering from an illness is that they are possessed by Jinn (demons) or that they are dealing with Allah’s wrath from their previous sins."
There's no need for convincing. It's obvious that they know. They simply preach the same thing they always do to gain control.

If people can seek aid without them, then there wouldn't be a need for them. They'd cease to serve a purpose. They feed ignorance to the populace to make them susceptible to stupid superstitions and delusions.

They'll never admit to reason.
 
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I think it's both, Jin possessions in itself is disease by definition. The only difference is how some seek help. Both spiritual help and modern medicine can be used for the better.
Spiritual help can have a positive health impact which is simply a placebo effect.
 

Dalmoor

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I don't think it's jinn.. it's maybe the issues and pain inflicted on them for a long period of time that made them mentally unstable.

For jinn, there are sheikhs available.. maybe summ to do with mental issues hence they need treatment or... care for such people.. not just ignoring them and jumping to unnecessary thingz
 
YBM

The problem is how to convince the Somali Imams. Much of this taboo emanates from them how they interpret the scriptures dealing with this issue. Why is the approach in Turkey and Qatar different to what they preach? If they are preaching mental illness is a sign of "weak faith" then debunking the taboo is a lost cause before it even starts.

The author writes;

"The Somali diaspora in the UK identifies heavily with Islam and, in my experience, the answer to all mental health questions has been prayer and tightening your relationship with the deen (religion). A popular analysis of someone suffering from an illness is that they are possessed by Jinn (demons) or that they are dealing with Allah’s wrath from their previous sins."
Islam provides coping mechanism but that doesn't mean you aren't allowed to seek professional help. Some people are hesitant to talk to their doctors about mental health problems due to fear of being judged by others.
 
There's no need for convincing. It's obvious that they know. They simply preach the same thing they always do to gain control.

If people can seek aid without them, then there wouldn't be a need for them. They'd cease to serve a purpose. The feed ignorance to the populace to make them susceptible to stupid superstitions and delusions.

They'll never admit to reason.

YBM

Sxb, I do share your views, however, I do believe that exorcism for those who believe to be possessed by Jinns helps them psychologically to be cured temporarily. Call it Placebo or whatever, it works temporarily. But in the long run, they do need medication.


This is a traditional Somali exorcism. Mingis bixis.


 

Basra

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Basra

With due respect, I don't know how the nurture/nature doctrine applies to here. One is determined by our genes and the other by our environment.


Aussie

Our genes hold the blue print to what diseases we are susceptible to.If my grand mother had diabetes, there is a big chance i will be susceptible to it. The same goes with brain wiring, that is responsible for mental break down. People prone to depression and anxiety tend to have a nature blue code. Part of their Bio make up! That is Nature.


Our environments are what we r exposed to. So someone who has diabetes maybe susceptible to hunting for sweet stuff, have a sweet tooth basically. So we go for the ice cream, which i do, and we go for all sweet stuff found in our environment.

Same with people who are addicted to Weed. Say, our Rich Gucci....Girl....the mental imbalance in the brain of gender fluidity and confusion, she opts for weed that is found in the environment to calm her. The thing is--like over eating sugar, if u over do Weed, u alter or change your brain wires. That is why u see people who have gone crazy used to consume alot of weed or chew jaat.



Is that clear now my dear Aussie? With all due respect?
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Aussie

Our genes hold the blue print to what diseases we are susceptible to.If my grand mother had diabetes, there is a big chance i will be susceptible to it. The same goes with brain wiring, that is responsible for mental break down. People prone to depression and anxiety tend to have a nature blue code. Part of their Bio make up! That is Nature.


Our environments are what we r exposed to. So someone who has diabetes maybe susceptible to hunting for sweet stuff, have a sweet tooth basically. So we go for the ice cream, which i do, and we go for all sweet stuff found in our environment.

Same with people who are addicted to Weed. Say, our Rich Gucci....Girl....the mental imbalance in the brain of gender fluidity and confusion, she opts for weed that is found in the environment to calm her. The thing is--like over eating sugar, if u over do Weed, u alter or change your brain wires. That is why u see people who have gone crazy used to consume


Basra

You just described nature Vs nurture and where do the Jinns fit? The genetics or the environment?
 

Basra

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Basra

You just described nature Vs nurture and where do the Jinns fit? The genetics or the environment?


Aussie

Your question was what does nature and nurture have to do with it? Now your second question of where do Jinn fit in, is a little complicated. It is the third sense..


N + N = J


We need a formula that finds where Jinn applies in the equation
 
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