AMA

[James Dahl]

I've been thinking of writing another history in the horn article, maybe about the Battle of Das and Amde Seyon. There are so many figures from that battle though where there is very little written about them, like the 12 kingdoms that faced off against Amde Seyon, only one (Adal) I know much about.

 

[Bahal]

Your abtirsi project has caused a lot of butthurt on somnet

 

[horumar]

I've been thinking of writing another history in the horn article, maybe about the Battle of Das and Amde Seyon. There are so many figures from that battle though where there is very little written about them, like the 12 kingdoms that faced off against Amde Seyon, only one (Adal) I know much about.

Please do, and if you have other information, clans(mine especially) please post them, your expertise and outside view is highly valued

 

[fox]

Tell me about the Habar Jeclo

 

[Tramo]

giving sheegatos everywhere ammo

 

[Arman]

What were you doing before this? You've put a lot of effort into your work. It doesn't seem like a little hobby anymore, it's more like a job.

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

 

[Bahal]

tfw Amir Nur is your 3rd cousin 13 x removed

 

[horumar]

What were you doing before this? You've put a lot of effort into your work. It doesn't seem like a little hobby anymore, it's more like a job.

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

He needs to get paid miskiin

 

[James Dahl]

What were you doing before this? You've put a lot of effort into your work. It doesn't seem like a little hobby anymore, it's more like a job.

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

It's a lot but it's over a 10 year or so period, every couple months I run across an interesting piece of info and add it to abtirsi.com or write a post about it.

I'd like to make a video about the crazy 14th century struggle for power in the horn, but there's a lot more research I need to do.

 

[Abdalla]

This guy chills with us online and a day later he publishes a devastating UN Monitor report on Somalia

 

[James Dahl]

Tell me about the Habar Jeclo

The two sons of Sheikh Isaaq and a Habesh woman of the Xaniifa family (I've heard they were Harari)

 

[James Dahl]

This guy chills with us online and a day later he publishes a devastating UN Monitor report on Somalia

Nah man, my day job is advertising and web design. My conspiracy is getting people to buy stuff they don't need.

 

[Bahal]

James, how do you reconcile this project with the obvious fact that the Arab patriarch stories are total Fabrications?

 

[horumar]

The two sons of Sheikh Isaaq and a Habesh woman of the Xaniifa family (I've heard they were Harari)

James i have some information about the lineages which i need to discuss, you still on twitter?

 

[Abdalla]

I remember a topic he made about an Ethiopian clan that traces their abtirsi to arabs as well. It was exactly similar to the Darod story and he too ended up climbing a tree

 

[fox]

The two sons of Sheikh Isaaq and a Habesh woman of the Xaniifa family (I've heard they were Harari)

So technically habar jeclos arent ethnically somali? Or is the Habesh mother a fake story?

 

[James Dahl]

James, how do you reconcile this project with the obvious fact that the Arab patriarch stories are total Fabrications?

At some point every genealogy transitions from fact into legend, and then into myth. That doesn't mean it's not worth studying these genealogies. Often the myths and legends are there to explain more complicated truths where the exact facts have been lost to time, but some knowledge remains.

I remember a topic he made about an Ethiopian clan that traces their abtirsi to arabs as well. It was exactly similar to the Darod story and he too ended up climbing a tree

Haha yeah, it's a common story, I think climbing down a tree to lead people has religious significance from pre-Islamic times. In Waaqafeena if Waaq sends a religous leader down from heaven to earth they will land in a tree and climb down to earth, and climbing down onto the shoulders of a particular clan seems to have great significance which is lost to me or you reading it today, not being a Waaqist nomad from the middle ages.

 

[James Dahl]

So technically habar jeclos arent ethnically somali? Or is the Habesh mother a fake story?

Well technically clan comes from the father, the ethnic origin of the mother is largely irrelevant to clan status.

 

[James Dahl]

James i have some information about the lineages which i need to discuss, you still on twitter?

Sure man, let me know