Am I a citizen of Somaliland?

Madagascar?! From claiming Arabnimo to now claiming Dir and every ethnicity under the sky are Dir.





Effing burner account.:ufdup::pacspit:
I was just Trolling
My cousin did the genetic analysis and he get T-l208 I am not an Arab, but I have Arab ancestors
And those in Madagascar They are who claim to be Dir not us
 

Bernie Madoff

Afhayeenka SL
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I am a third generation Saudi Arabian 🇸🇦 my awoowe left Somaliland back in the 1940s to Saudi Arabia to for Saudi Aramco like hundreds of Somalilanders and other Somalis back then. He was an Ogayslabe/Warsangeli born in Laasqory in 1923-1924 and passed away in 2015. According to Somaliland's constitution if your father is a descendant of someone who lived there before 1960 you are a Somalilander wither you like it or not. So does this law/amendment apply to me?
Btw did somaliland peak your internet sue landers being successful in Saudi. Most of the businesses men and influential Somalis in Saudi are Landers
 
Dir supremacists online claiming Warday, Boran and other Oromo groups is so cringe, it shows how bad the situation of this ancient clan is.

Dir seems to have weakened over the years, with splintered groups all over Somaliweyn, Isaaqs not wanting to associate themselves with Dir doesn't help either.
There is no splintering to speak of as no one readily identifies as Dir apart from Surre who retained the ancient clan identity they came with from Waqooyi.

From the Quranyow Garrre of Mandhera District to the Ciise in Bab Al Mandeb no one readily identifies as Dir unless there is a cause or ceremony that calls for Abtirsi. Each clan moved as an independent unit. It ain't only the Isaaq as one would think. For instance, in their 19th century historical wars with both the Afar and Oromo, Ciise would never call upon a Dir identity despite Gurgura and Samaron both neighbouring them in Galbeed as any unifying clan identity ceased to exist centuries ago.

Those that claim Boran, Wardei are misguided fools, however, this is due to an ignorance about the ancient split in the clan during the Middle Ages and a confusion as to which of the lost clans that claim to be descendants of Dir are Dir considering how some of us are now part of Oromos for example in the Hararghe Afran Qallo etc. Nonetheless, it gets silly when you come across some of us claiming Tutsis are Dir like this Isaaq elder. Listen from the 25 sec mark. :dead:

 
What is Ogayslabe?
There is no splintering to speak of as no one readily identifies as Dir apart from Surre who retained the ancient clan identity they came with from Waqooyi.

From the Quranyow Garrre of Mandhera District to the Ciise in Bab Al Mandeb no one readily identifies as Dir unless there is a cause or ceremony that calls for Abtirsi. Each clan moved as an independent unit. It ain't only the Isaaq as one would think. For instance, in their 19th century historical wars with both the Afar and Oromo, Ciise would never call upon a Dir identity despite Gurgura and Samaron both neighbouring them in Galbeed as any unifying clan identity ceased to exist centuries ago.

Those that claim Boran, Wardei are misguided fools, however, this is due to an ignorance about the ancient split in the clan during the Middle Ages and a confusion as to which of the lost clans that claim to be descendants of Dir are Dir considering how some of us are now part of Oromos for example in the Hararghe Afran Qallo etc. Nonetheless, it gets silly when you come across some of us claiming Tutsis are Dir like this Isaaq elder. Listen from the 25 sec mark. :dead:

Dude really did claim the Tutsis.
:damn::dead:
 
I am a third generation Saudi Arabian 🇸🇦 my awoowe left Somaliland back in the 1940s to Saudi Arabia to for Saudi Aramco like hundreds of Somalilanders and other Somalis back then. He was an Ogayslabe/Warsangeli born in Laasqory in 1923-1924 and passed away in 2015. According to Somaliland's constitution if your father is a descendant of someone who lived there before 1960 you are a Somalilander wither you like it or not. So does this law/amendment apply to me?

You dont have to answer to no one but beesha warsangeli. these isaaqs are not in a position to tell you otherwise.

Are you sure your warsangeli.
:mjohreally:
 
What is Ogayslabe?

Dude really did claim the Tutsis.
:damn::dead:
Ogayslabe are a stand alone clan that have relations with Warsangeli. They were falsely associated with being of Hindi origin but DNA testing has proved they are as Somali as can be and come under the same E-V32 subclade as Abgaal, Majeerten, Habargidir, Muuse Dheriyo, Ranhanweyn, Murusade samples on YFull.


OB are E-Y229068 in the above tree.
 
Btw did somaliland peak your internet sue landers being successful in Saudi. Most of the businesses men and influential Somalis in Saudi are Landers
My awoowe was in Aden and many of his relatives were in Cardiff and some even in the U.S. we were the cream of every Somali diaspora. Majeerteen had also their fair share of successful Somalis here and there though.
 
Ogayslabe are a stand alone clan that have relations with Warsangeli. They were falsely associated with being of Hindi origin but DNA testing has proved they are as Somali as can be and come under the same E-V32 subclade as Abgaal, Majeerten, Habargidir, Ranhanweyn, Murusade, Muuse Dheriyo samples on YFull.


OB are E-Y229068 in the above tree.
There was a guy who got R1a
 
I am a third generation Saudi Arabian 🇸🇦 my awoowe left Somaliland back in the 1940s to Saudi Arabia to for Saudi Aramco like hundreds of Somalilanders and other Somalis back then. He was an Ogayslabe/Warsangeli born in Laasqory in 1923-1924 and passed away in 2015. According to Somaliland's constitution if your father is a descendant of someone who lived there before 1960 you are a Somalilander wither you like it or not. So does this law/amendment apply to me?
Yes you are inadeer
 
You are laandheere Warsangeli ah, why would you want to be part of the imaginary Isaak supremacists state.
And Somalia isn't a tribalistic infested failed nation or what?? At least in Somaliland's constitution and laws don't mention any Qabil and the person who's born in Lasqoray to Boorama is a citizen of the republic who has the same rights as everyone in the country.
 

Hamzza

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There is no splintering to speak of as no one readily identifies as Dir apart from Surre who retained the ancient clan identity they came with from Waqooyi.

From the Quranyow Garrre of Mandhera District to the Ciise in Bab Al Mandeb no one readily identifies as Dir unless there is a cause or ceremony that calls for Abtirsi. Each clan moved as an independent unit. It ain't only the Isaaq as one would think. For instance, in their 19th century historical wars with both the Afar and Oromo, Ciise would never call upon a Dir identity despite Gurgura and Samaron both neighbouring them in Galbeed as any unifying clan identity ceased to exist centuries ago.

Those that claim Boran, Wardei are misguided fools, however, this is due to an ignorance about the ancient split in the clan during the Middle Ages and a confusion as to which of the lost clans that claim to be descendants of Dir are Dir considering how some of us are now part of Oromos for example in the Hararghe Afran Qallo etc. Nonetheless, it gets silly when you come across some of us claiming Tutsis are Dir like this Isaaq elder. Listen from the 25 sec mark. :dead:


You proved my point. Dir indeed has weakened over the years to the point where Dir identity ceased to exist. It seems the clan kinship was never strong compared to Darod or even Hawiye.

As for the splintered groups, today you will find Isolated Dir groups living among Daroods and Hawiye all over Somalia, compare this to Darod who live in a continuous territory.
 

Garaad diinle

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I am a third generation Saudi Arabian 🇸🇦 my awoowe left Somaliland back in the 1940s to Saudi Arabia to for Saudi Aramco like hundreds of Somalilanders and other Somalis back then. He was an Ogayslabe/Warsangeli born in Laasqory in 1923-1924 and passed away in 2015. According to Somaliland's constitution if your father is a descendant of someone who lived there before 1960 you are a Somalilander wither you like it or not. So does this law/amendment apply to me?
Wait didn't you say once that you're of a mamluki origin and that you've got an arab grandmother not to mention that you're a third generation arab how is't that you still identify
your self as a somali just curious.
 

Hamzza

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And Somalia isn't a tribalistic infested failed nation or what?? At least in Somaliland's constitution and laws don't mention any Qabil and the person who's born in Lasqoray to Boorama is a citizen of the republic who has the same rights as everyone in the country.
I mean a Darod person doesn't need Somaliland citizenship, the whole reason Somaliland(Isaaq) is separating is because of jealousy and fear of Darod domination, So it doesn't make sense for a Darod to beg the citizenship of a state built to undermine the interests of his own clan.
 
I mean a Darod person doesn't need Somaliland citizenship, the whole reason Somaliland(Isaaq) is separating is because of jealousy and fear of Darod domination, So it doesn't make sense for a Darod to beg the citizenship of a state built to undermine the interests of his own clan.
What?? warya I suggest you don't get your infos from your Qabalist jaad addict kins about Somaliland jealousy and fear kulaha :drakekidding:

Daarods took part of the state building of Somaliland when the head of Dhulbahante sub chaired the Burco conference in 1991 where all voted for restoring Somaliland's nationhood cu of the turmoil in Xamar where one group alone took the power for itself without consultation with all Somalis.

After Burco confence the new state of Somaliland was weak very weak just like the current Xamar govt where President Tuur AUN didn't have full authority in the nation and there many tribal clashes especially in Berbera in 1992 and when the 2 year mandate given to Tuur ended and no Isaaq sub clan was willing to hold anoher national conference it was the Reer Boorama in 1993 who decided to host the conference and the so called Somaliweyn lovers Daarods sent their delegates to the conference the confrence in which Cigaal was elected the parliament of the two chambers was established and setting up a committee that drafted the current constitution where Daaroods legal experts were members of. If your Dhulbahante and Warsangali really cared about the union they would have boycotted Boorama national conference where today the situation would have been much different in the north.
 

Hamzza

VIP
What?? warya I suggest you don't get your infos from your Qabalist jaad addict kins about Somaliland jealousy and fear kulaha :drakekidding:

Daarods took part of the state building of Somaliland when the head of Dhulbahante sub chaired the Burco conference in 1991 where all voted for restoring Somaliland's nationhood cu of the turmoil in Xamar where one group alone took the power for itself without consultation with all Somalis.

After Burco confence the new state of Somaliland was weak very weak just like the current Xamar govt where President Tuur AUN didn't have full authority in the nation and there many tribal clashes especially in Berbera in 1992 and when the 2 year mandate given to Tuur ended and no Isaaq sub clan was willing to hold anoher national conference it was the Reer Boorama in 1993 who decided to host the conference and the so called Somaliweyn lovers Daarods sent their delegates to the conference the confrence in which Cigaal was elected the parliament of the two chambers was established and setting up a committee that drafted the current constitution where Daaroods legal experts were members of. If your Dhulbahante and Warsangali really cared about the union they would have boycotted Boorama national conference where today the situation would have been much different in the north.
You think I live in a cave or something!! I follow the news niyahow and I know history.
Somaliland Guurti and party leaders peddle Qabyaalad 24/7 and tell stories of How Darod dominated and humiliated them to the media.

No Darod contributed to the building of the separatist state. you are showcasing your ignorance here by thinking Dhulbahante has one leader. The Warsangeli didn't attend the Somaliland conference and all bar one of the Dhulbahanta Garaads refused to attend the summit, the only Garaad who gave attention to the conference was there for peace agreements between his clan and the neighbouring Isaaq clans, not for state-building.
 

Laagite

الداروودي
You think I live in a cave or something!! I follow the news niyahow and I know history.
Somaliland Guurti and party leaders peddle Qabyaalad 24/7 and tell stories of How Darod dominated and humiliated them to the media.

No Darod contributed to the building of the separatist state. you are showcasing your ignorance here by thinking Dhulbahante has one leader. The Warsangeli didn't attend the Somaliland conference and all bar one of the Dhulbahanta Garaads refused to attend the summit, the only Garaad who gave attention to the conference was there for peace agreements between his clan and the neighbouring Isaaq clans, not for state-building.
They're sugar coating SL being qabyalad free, when its the most anti-Darood state in Somalia. They had literal NSS chief Daahir Riyaale but a Darood born after 1991 is a faqash. I know how tribalist SL state can get, I used to believe in that shit before I visited Somalia for the 1st time and got my eyes opened. SL is an Isaaq+Dir state no self-respecting Darood consider themselves a Lander unless he wants to be a marti, a Darood in SL politics is a tourist at best and a faqash when they fall out of grace. Ataash an educated ex.CEO of a multi-national oil company was roasted in a room full of Isaaqs and both mucaarad iyo muxaafid laughed at him.
 
You proved my point. Dir indeed has weakened over the years to the point where Dir identity ceased to exist. It seems the clan kinship was never strong compared to Darod or even Hawiye.

As for the splintered groups, today you will find Isolated Dir groups living among Daroods and Hawiye all over Somalia, compare this to Darod who live in a continuous territory.
The only Dir group which is really splintered are mainly Surre Xeer ones, and not all are isolated. For Instance, the Surre ones in Southern K5 neighbour other Dirs and have their own District called Dolobay Woreda neighbouring Luuq where they also also settle on the Eastern bank. The vast majority of Dirs live in a continuous territory in Waqooyi/K5, and in Southern K5/Somalia from Ceel Kari to the Eastern bank of Luuq district.

Furthermore, with the expansion to Jubbaland, Daarood no longer live in a continuous territory as there is a disconnect between those in K5 and Southern Somalia. Your macro clan identity is also strengthened by the fact that you consider yourselves to be distinct from the rest of Somalis who identity with a Samaale lineage in the case of Maxaa Tidhi speakers.

No clan completely forgot their lineage as elders maintained it, the macro clan identity just did not really serve a purpose anymore to the average subclan layman. If the kinship had completely ceased to exist, do you think 19th century poets would still be referencing a Dir clan identity whenever they would discuss the divisions that existed among Somalis? Or would foreign explorers come across a Dir and Daarood clan grouping among Northern Somalis in the 19th century as evinced in the work of Abbadie?


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