Alexander Dugin on Nationalism (Putin's Philosopher)

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Highlighted for TL;DR. Dugin posted it this week and may help you understand how Russia's elite view the concept of nationalism or nationhood.


Nationalism as anti-tradition

Now more specifically about nationalism. Nationalism is a Western bourgeois-capitalist phenomenon. It appears in Europe as the rejection of the medieval way of life - religion, a single European church, the Empire, the class organization of society. European nationalism is the same artificial and instrumental construction as other versions of Western ideologies. This is not an alternative to capitalist modernity, this is its direct product.

Of course, liberalism more fully corresponds to the capitalist system and was originally conceived as globalism, that is, as the spread of the norms and attitudes of the bourgeois system to all mankind. This, incidentally, was well understood by the Marxists. Nationalism, on the other hand, was an intermediate stage when it was necessary to destroy the pan-European institutions of the Middle Ages - Catholicism, the Empire, the class organization of society, and offer something in return for the temporary preservation of the state, already captured by the bourgeois oligarchy. Not surprisingly, nationalism first appeared in Protestant countries, where, starting from Holland and England, we see all three main signs of emerging capitalism (anti-Church, anti-Empire, anti-hierarchy) -renunciation of Rome, fierce opposition to the Habsburgs and the transfer of initiative in the economy and politics from the aristocracy and the priesthood to the class of urban merchants.

It was the bourgeois anti-traditional - anti-Catholic, anti-estate and anti-imperial - circles of European societies that became the main carriers of nationalism.

Historically, capitalism has developed in phases: first in the form of nationalism, then in the form of globalist liberalism, although liberal theories were formed at an early stage, and Adam Smith's globalism was identical in its contours to the territories of the world colonial British Empire.

With the success of the bourgeois system, capitalism became more and more liberal and less and less national, but in many cases national forms did not disappear anywhere - bourgeois national states have survived to this day. Modern liberal globalists want to abolish them as soon as possible, transferring power to the World Government, but they still exist and, if necessary, are used by the capitalist elites that control them. Nevertheless, it is logical to consider nationalism an early stage of capitalism, and liberalism (globalism) a late one.

Communism in this context is a detour. Communists (at least dogmatic Marxists) are in solidarity with the globalists in rejecting nation-states and consider the triumph of cosmopolitan capitalism on a planetary scale necessary and inevitable. Therefore, in the fight against clearly nationalist regimes, they often find themselves on the side of the liberals.

But at the same time, they are waiting for the moment when the capitalist system, having become global and international, will enter into a crisis, and then, in their opinion, the conditions will be created for the proletarian world revolution. This is where the confrontation between communism and liberalism will make itself felt. Such is the abstract theory of communism, completely refuted by historical practice. In fact, communist regimes did not take shape in a capitalist and international society, but in agrarian countries with an almost medieval way of life. And they turned into something national-Bolshevik, which a significant part of Western Marxists generally refused to consider "socialism" or "communism." So, contrary to pure Marxist theory, some communist regimes (Soviet Russia, China, etc.) began to build socialism in one country, that is, in fact, linked communism with the national context (without giving it, however, a theoretical formulation).

All this created a terrible confusion in terms, since all parties were forced to make ideological stretches and propaganda moves designed to somehow obscure obvious theoretical contradictions.

In any case, nationalism is something purely modern, Western and capitalist.

The nation is an imaginary community

The artificial nature of nationalism is beautifully described by the sociologist Benedict Anderson. He convincingly shows that, unlike a people or an ethnos, a “nation” is a political and artificial concept, created for pragmatic purposes by bourgeois ideologists, when it was necessary to somehow hold society together after it rejected the tradition - religious, class and hierarchical (imperial) . Anderson called his book "An Imaginary Community", which emphasized the illusory nature of the nation, as an arbitrary and fictitious creation of the intelligentsia, ideologically serving the interests of the bourgeoisie.

Benedict Anderson makes a very important statement: nationalism does not follow the nation as its extreme form, but it precedes the nation. Nationalism comes first, and only then the nation itself. Every nation is invented by nationalists. Nationalists begin by inventing ancient roots for a specific historical people that have nothing to do with it. The modern bourgeois state is proclaimed the heir of some great Empire. And then the nationalists impose on the entire population of the state some arbitrary language (most often from among the dialects, it is called "idiom"), a single cultural code and a common system of law on an individual - civil - basis. This collection of individual citizens, who were forced to speak the same language and consider themselves fictitious descendants of great (or fictional) ancestors, is only necessary so that a fragmented and atomized society does not fall apart at all, but at the same time so that neither religious nor religious estates or imperial institutions or rural communities. And in order to unite this heterogeneous mass, an enemy is needed, in the face of which all these human fragments (parts without a whole) would feel solidarity in hatred and unjustified superiority.

At the same time, the word “citizen” itself is important, which comes from the word “city”, that is, “citizen”. Such is the etymology of the word bourgeois, from the word Burg, "city." Nationalism is an urban, urbanistic phenomenon, where people live scattered and nuclear - in contrast to rural communities.

Such is any nationalism. It is first formed into a theory, which is later put into practice. Nationalism molds the political nation.

Hence the feeling of inorganicity and ugliness, which are inextricably linked with all forms of nationalism. It is based on lies, forgery and destruction of the genuine organic life of peoples, cultures and communities.

Functional racism

Racism is the ultimate form of nationalism.
In this version, nationalism reaches its extreme stage. Members of some fictitious nation, in which various ethnic and cultural elements will necessarily be present (but this is precisely what nationalism and racism are denied), are proclaimed the “master race”, which (it is not known by whom, because religion is considered a relic) is given the right conquer the lower ones.

Racism was the most important component of European colonialism, primarily Anglo-Saxon, where the right to subjugate and enslave entire continents was based on the “racial superiority of the white man”. In the traditional Empires of antiquity, any conquered peoples had their own legal status and it never occurred to anyone to enslave them or consider them inferior. European racism arose in modern times and was also a bourgeois invention. A race is as much an imaginary phenomenon as a nation. But it emphasizes biological characteristics, as in the case of animals - for example, thoroughbred trotters. The typical appearance of this or that people, of course, matters, but the idea of basing social and economic hierarchy on biological differences is pure absurdity. Perhaps the talents and cultures of different peoples are really different, but it is impossible to build a hierarchy between them without arbitrarily taking one of the peoples as a model and ideal. And this is racism: the identification of one's culture (one's own skin color, language, history, values, etc.) with a universal model.

If for some - primarily for the Anglo-Saxons, who created the first complete racial theories - racism served as a justification for colonial domination and slavery, then in other cases - in Nazi Germany - racism was used - just like nationalism, but only more radical - to rally bourgeois society, falling apart as traditional religious, political and social institutions disappear. Mere nationalism was not enough to unite the disparate German lands of Western and Southern Germany, and Protestant Prussia, which was completely different from them, into a single "imaginary Empire" was not enough. Therefore, ultranationalism was involved - that is, biological racism, borrowed from the British and brought to the most absurd and inhuman theories - the glorification of the Aryan race (which was identified with the Germans), the declaration of other peoples as "non-humans" (including the Indo-European Slavs or Gypsies) and their mass extermination.

And again for the same purely pragmatic goal - to unite what has crumbled into atoms with the help of a false theory.
 

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Why does the Fourth Political Theory reject nationalism?

The Fourth Political Theory rejects racism and any form of nationalism precisely because it is an anti-traditional bourgeois Western and modernist construct.
And operating with the concept and theory of nationalism to explain the political and social processes of non-Western and especially in traditional societies is an act of the same universalist - essentially colonial - strategy. This is where racism and the claim that the West and its political science have the last word in explaining all socio-political processes in any peoples and societies lies. Once we agree to use the three theories (liberalism, communism and nationalism), we are already under the direct ideological control of Western hegemony.

The Fourth Political Theory strongly disagrees with the basic premises of nationalism -

with the inevitability of the dismemberment of an organic (whole) society into atoms, that is, with the Western interpretation of "modernity";

with capitalism as a necessary stage in the development of mankind,

with linear and copied from Western history social progress, which consists in more and more individualism, comfort, technical development, fictitious dispersion of power on the atomized masses and a real increase in control from the hidden oligarchic clans and their monopolies.

· with citizenship in its European modernist interpretation,

· with mandatory secularity (essentially anti-religious),

· with the abolition of estates and

· with the destruction of rural communities in favor of urbanized "lonely crowds" - both bourgeois and proletarian.

And since these phenomena belong to the history of the West, the Fourth Political Theory considers them a local, regional case. Other civilizations do not necessarily have to go through this stage - Modernity, capitalism, secularism, industrialization and urbanization - may or may not go through. And neither capitalism nor its nationalistic or racist phases represent any universal law of development.

It is indicative that the Russian Slavophiles and their followers both in the right and in the left spectrum of Russian political life of the 19th and early 20th centuries thought in the same way. The Slavophiles rejected the universality of the West and especially the modern West. The same line was supported, on the one hand, by conservative Orthodox-monarchist circles, and, on the other hand, by Russian populists. The Russian Eurasians rejected even more clearly and radically the claims of the West to universality.

Structure of Ukrainian Nazism


These theoretical remarks make it possible to better understand the situation in which modern Russia faced the phenomenon of nationalism and even Nazism in the case of post-Soviet Ukraine, and especially after the Maidan and during the special military operation, where Ukrainian nationalism (in its extreme forms) found itself in the role of the main political ideological enemy of Russia.

Here we see all the classic features of nationalism:

· appeal to fictitious ancestors (up to idiotic inventions about "ancient Ukrainians"), :dead:

· the image of the enemy (primarily in the face of the Russians and Russia, that is, functionally the Empire),

· suggestion of alleged superiority (over the same Russians),

· the imposition of one - artificially created language just for purely political purposes (an idiom like language), :damn:

· bourgeois-oligarchic system,

· rapid urbanization of the rural population.

And all these ideological tools are aimed at one goal - to create a nation that does not exist and which does not have and did not have any historical prerequisites for the emergence. Nationalism, and especially its extreme racist forms, testify to the fact that the bourgeois nation does not yet exist. But there is no longer a people, a traditional society, or we are dealing with different peoples and identities that accidentally found themselves within the boundaries of the same ephemeral statehood. In such a situation of desperate alienation, the hasty creation of a “square” required extraordinary measures - it was they who brought modern Ukrainian Nazism to life.

Here a natural question arises: how did the West, which is in a completely different phase, when nation-states are almost abolished, being replaced by global institutions, and liberalism seeks to destroy even the remnants of nationalism, allowed such Ukrainian aphasia? There are two answers to this: :hmm:

· The West turned a blind eye to Ukrainian Nazism because of its pronounced Russophobic orientation; Russia has the potential to become an independent pole that would limit the hegemony of the West, while Ukraine does not pose any serious threat.
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· Ukrainian nationalism was perceived by the West as an inevitable growing pain, a phase that Western societies have long since passed and (as they think) have overcome; Ukraine, having entered the era of capitalism and oligarchy, is forced to rely on nationalism in order to build a state as quickly as possible under rather difficult conditions, given the lack of any constructive experience and potential of Russia as a strong civilizational pole of gravity, alternative to the West.

As a result, in Ukraine, the West supported everything against which it fought desperately at home. What this policy led to is known: another attempt to build a Ukrainian state failed again - first Crimea and Donbass, then a special military operation. And no Nazism helped, although its consequences this time were monstrous in scale.
 
I have read it already bro.

Not surprised one bit considering how Russia was historically more Eastcentric until my beloved Deutschlanders brought civilisation to them after Peter the Great asked Vaterlanders for cultural and material enlightenment.

Nonetheless, all isms are manufactured one way or the other. A 19th century average Russian serf only knew his Village and the Boyar who practically owned him. Today, the Putin propaganda machine talks of a glorious Russian nation that shall rise again with the Kievan Rus at its side like the Good Ol' Days.

Nonetheless, the Ruskies are not as culturally or economically dangerous as what some Far Left Cultural Leftists and Ecomaniacs have in store for the World imo.
 

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I have read it already bro.

Not surprised one bit considering how Russia was historically more Eastcentric until my beloved Deutschlanders brought civilisation to them after Peter the Great asked Vaterlanders for cultural and material enlightenment.

Confused Joe Biden GIF by CBS News
 
As a student of History, I could not help but admire how Germanic tribes went from being 'barbarians' to the creators of modern Western Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire. As an Arabic speaker, I am sure you would agree that is insightful how 'Faranji' was generally used by Arabs used to describe Western Europeans, Iberians excluded, when in actual fact it refers solely to the Top Dog Franks that came to dominate their Germanic brethren.

I have read it already bro.

Not surprised one bit considering how Russia was historically more Eastcentric until my beloved Deutschlanders brought civilisation to them after Peter the Great asked Vaterlanders for cultural and material enlightenment.

Nonetheless, all isms are manufactured one way or the other. A 19th century average Russian serf only knew his Village and the Boyar who practically owned him. Today, the Putin propaganda machine talks of a glorious Russian nation that shall rise again with the Kievan Rus at its side like the Good Ol' Days.

Nonetheless, the Ruskies are not as culturally or economically dangerous as what some Far Left Cultural Leftists and Ecomaniacs have in store for the World imo.
Correction: Not all environmentalists are Looney, just a section that possess unrealistic goals like getting man to completely stop eating animal protein etc. Highly processed meat and dairy alternatives ain't meant for man's consumption.

That being said, Lord knows modern society with its industrialised food production and destruction of nature to sustain an unnatural lifestyle is regressive in the long run. Can't eat certain fish from the sea soon due to the diffusion of plastic particles in the sea etc.
 

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As a student of History, I could not help but admire how Germanic tribes went from being 'barbarians' to the creators of modern Western Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire. As an Arabic speaker, I am sure you would agree that is insightful how 'Faranji' was generally used by Arabs used to describe Western Europeans, Iberians excluded, when in actual fact it refers solely to the Top Dog Franks that came to dominate their Germanic brethren.

Won't lie, I was impressed too. Germanics really dominated Western Europe and eventually all of Europe since the fall of the Western Roman Empire. Even the royal family of England is originally German. They even seized the Russian Tsardom eventually and were running around installing German Kings even in Greece after it was taken from the Ottomans. And yes, Somalis in the 19th century still knew Western Europeans as "Faranji". Germany is still the libaax of Europe today. What a rags to riches story, wallahi.
 

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interesting essay.


Won't lie, I was impressed too. Germanics really dominated Western Europe and eventually all of Europe since the fall of the Western Roman Empire. Even the royal family of England is originally German. They even seized the Russian Tsardom eventually and were running around installing German Kings even in Greece after it was taken from the Ottomans. And yes, Somalis in the 19th century still knew Western Europeans as "Faranji". Germany is still the libaax of Europe today. What a rags to riches story, wallahi.
ferenji was used in the early 20th century suugaan by sayidka.
· Dawo kama heshaan faranji aad, daawo dhigataane

As a student of History, I could not help but admire how Germanic tribes went from being 'barbarians' to the creators of modern Western Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire. As an Arabic speaker, I am sure you would agree that is insightful how 'Faranji' was generally used by Arabs used to describe Western Europeans, Iberians excluded, when in actual fact it refers solely to the Top Dog Franks that came to dominate their Germanic brethren.


Correction: Not all environmentalists are Looney, just a section that possess unrealistic goals like getting man to completely stop eating animal protein etc. Highly processed meat and dairy alternatives ain't meant for man's consumption.

That being said, Lord knows modern society with its industrialised food production and destruction of nature to sustain an unnatural lifestyle is regressive in the long run. Can't eat certain fish from the sea soon due to the diffusion of plastic particles in the sea etc.

jarmalka caadi maaha. they know how to bounce back after dulli. from heshiiski versailles to stalingrad. then from west and east to dominating yurub. :wow:
 

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jarmalka caadi maaha. they know how to bounce back after dulli. from heshiiski versailles to stalingrad. then from west and east to dominating yurub. :wow:

It's funny to think that even they aren't beyond their own form of qabiilism, though. I had a college professor who was from Bavaria and she couldn't stop dooding for Bavaria. She taught business stuff related to tourism and would show us cool tourism ads for Bavaria specifically and told us a lot of the top dog shit Germany is known for is from Bavaria like BMW and Oktoberfest. Think she even led us to believe Mercedes was from there when it's from the neighboring gobol, though I'm not sure on this last bit. But yeah, she bordered on secessionist and almost used our class as an FKD platform against her fellow Germans.

:mjlol:
 
interesting essay.



ferenji was used in the early 20th century suugaan by sayidka.




jarmalka caadi maaha. they know how to bounce back after dulli. from heshiiski versailles to stalingrad. then from west and east to dominating yurub. :wow:
They are too meek today. People in EU, some, blame them for not bailing them out financially when economic mismanagement is down to the individual countries. The Munafiq Easterners complain about German dominance but are more than happy to get more than their fair share of German Euros. Germany and Germanic Europe should have formed their own transnational organisation and just kept the rest of Europe at arm's length in a free trade body. The most affluent parts of Europe are overwhelmingly Germanic due to their fiscal responsibility and social order.
 
As a student of History, I could not help but admire how Germanic tribes went from being 'barbarians' to the creators of modern Western Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire. As an Arabic speaker, I am sure you would agree that is insightful how 'Faranji' was generally used by Arabs used to describe Western Europeans, Iberians excluded, when in actual fact it refers solely to the Top Dog Franks that came to dominate their Germanic brethren.


Correction: Not all environmentalists are Looney, just a section that possess unrealistic goals like getting man to completely stop eating animal protein etc. Highly processed meat and dairy alternatives ain't meant for man's consumption.

That being said, Lord knows modern society with its industrialised food production and destruction of nature to sustain an unnatural lifestyle is regressive in the long run. Can't eat certain fish from the sea soon due to the diffusion of plastic particles in the sea etc.
Minor correction, the Arabs also called the Iberians 'Faranji'/Frank. A while back, I watched a documentary on the Reconquista and Arab Chroniclers frequently used the term 'Al-Faranji' to describe the Christian Iberians.

Basically, people of Western European stock & Christian were broadly categorised as 'Franks' by the Arabs.
 

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It is ironic this guy is exactly like the Rasputin & Anastasia (Romanov Czarina) situation and there is Putin in Rasputin's name and Putin speaks German like Anastasia did.

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@Grigori Rasputin your username's name is alive today.

Here is him elaborating on things and answering some questions:





 
It is ironic this guy is exactly like the Rasputin & Anastasia (Romanov Czarina) situation and there is Putin in Rasputin's name and Putin speaks German like Anastasia did.

IeUjvBT.jpg


Jon Stewart Reaction GIF
That Alexander Dugin used a very peculiarly effective foreign policy approach on the grounds of mirroring moral relativism. We're going to be demonized by your media machine, so we'll play the same game and put our "truth" out, directly reflecting your approach.
 

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He doesn’t influence the Russian government, his ideas are too fringe outside of certain circles. It’s a western meme to label him Putin’s philosopher tbh. Don’t fall for western propaganda.
 

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He doesn’t influence the Russian government, his ideas are too fringe outside of certain circles. It’s a western meme to label him Putin’s philosopher tbh. Don’t fall for western propaganda.

Actions speak louder than words. Dugin wrote books in the late 90s about Russia's geopolitical path and most of the stuff he wrote back then ended up happening or semi-happening.

His geopolitical books are extremely popular among the Russian military elite and he is the only Russian philosopher who has been individually put on international sanction lists.
 
Actions speak louder than words. Dugin wrote books in the late 90s about Russia's geopolitical path and most of the stuff he wrote back then ended up happening or semi-happening.

His geopolitical books are extremely popular among the Russian military elite and he is the only Russian philosopher who has been individually put on international sanction lists.

I'm not with either you or World on this. I genuinely don't know and am curious.

I think a lot of Russian elite people are interested in Dugin and listen to him.

But I am not sure either way whether Putin himself is actually any sort of follower of Dugin.

I don't think we can point to specific policies of the Kremlin and say definitively they were following Duginist thinking. We could say "Dugin said Russia should challenge the hegemony of the West and Russia is seeking to challenge Western hegemony!" but obviously that isn't necessarily something specific to Duginist ideology.

I think Dugin is a famous and influential philosopher but I don't think it's been confirmed either way whether Russia is actually a Duginist state.
 

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Actions speak louder than words. Dugin wrote books in the late 90s about Russia's geopolitical path and most of the stuff he wrote back then ended up happening or semi-happening.

His geopolitical books are extremely popular among the Russian military elite and he is the only Russian philosopher who has been individually put on international sanction lists.
His book “Foundations of Geopolitics” is very tame compared to the other stuff he wrote.

Just because Dugin prescribes basic strategies that are present in Russian policy does not mean that Dugin was the policy’s inspiration or catalyst... Dugin at best sometimes describes Russian policy, but to assign Dugin causality is entirely speculative, especially when many of Dugin’s recommended policies have a precedent in the Kremlin’s policy toolbox.

There is literally no proof whatsoever that Putin even takes the guy seriously. Correlation does not mean causation.

Also national bolshevism is banned and seen as a meme ideology in Russia.
 
His book “Foundations of Geopolitics” is very tame compared to the other stuff he wrote.

Just because Dugin prescribes basic strategies that are present in Russian policy does not mean that Dugin was the policy’s inspiration or catalyst... Dugin at best sometimes describes Russian policy, but to assign Dugin causality is entirely speculative, especially when many of Dugin’s recommended policies have a precedent in the Kremlin’s policy toolbox.

There is literally no proof whatsoever that Putin even takes the guy seriously. Correlation does not mean causation.

Also national bolshevism is banned in Russia, and it’s seen as a meme ideology in Russia.
Dugin is Rasputin's son. That man controls Russia from his Gulag mansion.

You got to accept the facts.
 

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His book “Foundations of Geopolitics” is very tame compared to the other stuff he wrote.

Just because Dugin prescribes basic strategies that are present in Russian policy does not mean that Dugin was the policy’s inspiration or catalyst... Dugin at best sometimes describes Russian policy, but to assign Dugin causality is entirely speculative, especially when many of Dugin’s recommended policies have a precedent in the Kremlin’s policy toolbox.

There is literally no proof whatsoever that Putin even takes the guy seriously. Correlation does not mean causation.

Putin is a secretive guy. The guy has two offices that look exactly like each other in order to not let people know where he is at an given time. You think a guy like that would tell the world which philosophers he listens to? Of course he wouldn't.


From all the contemporary philosophers out there, Dugin explains Russia's and Putin's geopolitical behavior the most.

There is no need to overcomplicate things when it is so blatantly obvious what the philosophical influence on Putin is. It is not just Dugin, but guys similar to Dugin as well.

Also national bolshevism is banned and seen as a meme ideology in Russia.

Racial versions of nationalism are banned, but inclusive Russian nationalism (pro Russkiy Mir) isn't banned. Dugin is also no longer a national bolshevist, he has abandoned that.

His current ideology is a weird mixture of Traditionalism, anti-modernism, post-modernism, Russian Imperialism, etc. Besides his own name for this ideology "The Fourth Political Theory" there is no accurate description of what it is.
 

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