Ajnabis constantly tell this Somali woman that she does not look Somali, and now wants to take a DNA test.

[reer]

I don't see it at all. She's a normal looking Somali. Also, there's no "Bantu" in Rahanweyns. That's a meme. I've seen enough of their results and my own great grandmother was one and was identical to any northerner. The Rx who look remotely "Bantu" are the subtribes who are actual sheegads. The others are just run-of-the-mill Somalis.

d&m have a different dhaqan to the geeljire somalis. some of them do have bantu blood (not the mawaali/sheegad system). they readily assimilate unlike geeljires. in konfuria youll find someone say im raxanweyn but my ancestors were dhulbahante etc lol.

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[Shimbiris]

d&m have a different dhaqan to the geeljire somalis. some of them do have bantu blood (not the mawaali/sheegad system). they readily assimilate unlike geeljires. in konfuria youll find someone say im raxanweyn but my ancestors were dhulbahante etc lol.

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I remember that legendary event but he's very much a rarity. And he was hilariously just carrying their Y-DNA. auDNA was still normal Somali and, trust me, the same is true for 99% of his folk.

 

[reer]

I remember that legendary event but he's very much a rarity. And he was hilariously just carrying their Y-DNA. auDNA was still normal Somali and, trust me, the same is true for 99% of his folk.

bro go to konfuria wallahi im not lying. they have a big different tribal dhaqan to geeljire somalis. ask any jeberti konfurian.

 

[Shimbiris]

bro go to konfuria wallahi im not lying. they have a big different tribal dhaqan to geeljire somalis. ask any jeberti konfurian.

Dhaqan = genetics?! I'm not going to get into some argument around their dhaqan. That would require a more serious and weighty back and forth but again, the vast majority of them are generic Somalis genetically. Lets not spread misinformation about them being Bantu admixed is all I'm saying.

 

[reggie]

d&m have a different dhaqan to the geeljire somalis. some of them do have bantu blood (not the mawaali/sheegad system). they readily assimilate unlike geeljires. in konfuria youll find someone say im raxanweyn but my ancestors were dhulbahante etc lol.

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Isn’t raxanweyne older than dhula how can ur ancestors be them or are u assimilated

 

[El Nino]

d&m have a different dhaqan to the geeljire somalis. some of them do have bantu blood (not the mawaali/sheegad system). they readily assimilate unlike geeljires. in konfuria youll find someone say im raxanweyn but my ancestors were dhulbahante etc lol.

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I remember that legendary event but he's very much a rarity. And he was hilariously just carrying their Y-DNA. auDNA was still normal Somali and, trust me, the same is true for 99% of his folk.

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[The Oponian Guild]

Southern Somali, Hawiye type, probably from the shabeele region.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

Isn’t raxanweyne older than dhula how can ur ancestors be them or are u assimilated

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[truenature]

she has such a mosque girl face. like she’s in charge of every single halaqa.

 

[Hotchick12]

she has that habesha eyes shame

 

[_Yusuf_]

The eyes chico they never lie

 

[Fit~Prince]

d&m have a different dhaqan to the geeljire somalis. some of them do have bantu blood (not the mawaali/sheegad system). they readily assimilate unlike geeljires. in konfuria youll find someone say im raxanweyn but my ancestors were dhulbahante etc lol.

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You're ignorant. Majority of RX are geeljiire who look more Eurasian that most of the other clans. Those people you're talking about are outliers.

 

[Fit~Prince]

She doesn't have the Somali nose

 

[JamalFarah]

The people with the strongest opinions on Raxanweyn tend to be those who grew up farthest from them. There is an incredibly strange tendency to “otherize” them based on assumptions about how they look and act. Raxanweyn is much more of a pseudo-clan commune based on shared valley culture, the actual legitimate tribal structure is more characteristic of Digil and Mirifle.

As for their origins, the Mirifle are just another pastoralist clan who settled in the valley and intermarried with the Digil, who were there earlier. The Mirifle come from the same cauldron as the pre-Islamic Daroods and Samaales. That represents the first influx of pastoralists. The second was the assimilation of “lost” Daroods, Hawiye, and Dir, who weren’t lost, but simply chose to settle in the fertile valley region. Others have already written about this, but the pastoralist clans were not exclusively pastoralist. They practiced agriculture alongside livestock herding. The valley is one of the few pre-modern areas where one could have a large agricultural-exclusive region, and as history shows, groups tend to adapt and take advantage of such opportunities.

Raxanweyn identity is fluid. You encounter people with lineages that are Madowweyne rather than Cushitic, but there is no lying or deception about it. While intermarriage probably occurred at higher rates, I doubt it was substantial enough to meaningfully change the appearance of the average Raxanweyn.

When it comes to the Digil, there is no definitive verdict. The key question is whether Af-Maay is truly a dialect of (proto-)Somali or a completely different language spoken by an assimilated Cushitic group. In the modern era, it hardly matters, as they have mixed so extensively with nomadic Somalis that their heritage and culture in the region is undoubtedly Somali. Besides you have also clans who became more culturally "nomadic" via competition and living alongside nomads like the Geledi.

I do find them fascinating, and their perspective is very much something I believe can be used to partly reconstruct the pre-Islamic era of Somalia. I think it’s pretty clear that almost all Somali clans existed prior to Islam, but pastoralist clans have largely rewritten and discarded the pre-Islamic history and lore of their peoples.

 

[Zak12]

She looks Somali to me. There is no single look for us, we can have varied appearances while still being Somali.

The people with the strongest opinions on Raxanweyn tend to be those who grew up farthest from them. There is an incredibly strange tendency to “otherize” them based on assumptions about how they look and act. Raxanweyn is much more of a pseudo-clan commune based on shared valley culture, the actual legitimate tribal structure is more characteristic of Digil and Mirifle.

As for their origins, the Mirifle are just another pastoralist clan who settled in the valley and intermarried with the Digil, who were there earlier. The Mirifle come from the same cauldron as the pre-Islamic Daroods and Samaales. That represents the first influx of pastoralists. The second was the assimilation of “lost” Daroods, Hawiye, and Dir, who weren’t lost, but simply chose to settle in the fertile valley region. Others have already written about this, but the pastoralist clans were not exclusively pastoralist. They practiced agriculture alongside livestock herding. The valley is one of the few pre-modern areas where one could have a large agricultural-exclusive region, and as history shows, groups tend to adapt and take advantage of such opportunities.

Raxanweyn identity is fluid. You encounter people with lineages that are Madowweyne rather than Cushitic, but there is no lying or deception about it. While intermarriage probably occurred at higher rates, I doubt it was substantial enough to meaningfully change the appearance of the average Raxanweyn.

When it comes to the Digil, there is no definitive verdict. The key question is whether Af-Maay is truly a dialect of (proto-)Somali or a completely different language spoken by an assimilated Cushitic group. In the modern era, it hardly matters, as they have mixed so extensively with nomadic Somalis that their heritage and culture in the region is undoubtedly Somali. Besides you have also clans who became more culturally "nomadic" via competition and living alongside nomads like the Geledi.

I do find them fascinating, and their perspective is very much something I believe can be used to partly reconstruct the pre-Islamic era of Somalia. I think it’s pretty clear that almost all Somali clans existed prior to Islam, but pastoralist clans have largely rewritten and discarded the pre-Islamic history and lore of their peoples.

Af-Maay is absolutely a dialect of Somali since its grammar, syntax and vocab makes it apart of the Somali language branch.

Also, I can't emphasise this enough but archeogenetics have made it clear that all ethnic Somalis are genetically identical on the autosomal level. All the various samples across Somaliweyn attest to that. So to me Daroods, Isaaqs, Hawiyes and Dirs are no different from Rahaweyn as they are all confederations of Somalis.

 

[Sophisticate]

She falls within the spectrum of Somali-looking. Somali phenotype policing is a bit excessive. We are not carbon copies. There are different types of looks within the Somali frame, and she does not drastically deviate from them. Keep in mind, everyone has a different reference point for how they read you.

 

[Testo 21]

She looks normal eedo somali