Aideed Vs Siyad

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I am studying and reviewing this from an impartial lense and trying to avoid to add any biases if I do let me know because all I want to get to the bottom of is the fact cause I am not going to ruin my reputation for a bias, maybe ignorance but not bias as that leads to competition only and your automatically dismissed as reliable unless there is 'chunks or parts' of what your saying that is reliable but your conclusion will be disregarded until you have proof and unless you criticize your clan your conclusion is 50% minimized at the end to someone who did because when two sides state their wrongs and their rights u can comparatively analysis what happened and measure it scientifically. Where-as when one doesn't state his wrong and only their pro's, it can be used against them as not impartial and therefore unreliable hence they really wasted their time like 90% of Somalis in society.

Now we know the liklihood of Marehan and HG ever ruling a strong Somalia is highly unlikely unless they present a very strong scientific case to Somalis and the World, we don't need to tell 'civilians' this as they may get very emotional and unreasonable as they do not understand the dynamics beyond clan based news and youtube videos of how good their leader or clan is and stuff and they are following the path of 'somali' tactics which is what gave us the civil war and therefore anyone who adopts this cycle the prediction is it will be another civil war unless they prove it scientifically then it's over and no matter what clan it is their model will be taken for Somalia.

Here is the pro's I found for PL. I will break this into parts. It's a complex matter but from what I seen is the following.

SSDF - Armed movement, they never killed un-armed civilians only govt forces, wanted to over-throw Siyad and most likely to create an interim govt that was military based like PL 1998 founding and then pass it on for 'elections'. This seems to be confirmed in our Constitution and 'axdi', Abdillahi Yusuf envisioned he wanted an election and a democracy. There were key flaws though like the jama ali jama incident who was sent from none other then 'HG' Abdiqasim Salat(developing heaps of pattern this clan which is the easiest to expose cause 'it's never positive outcomes when they have power or something political' lol. Abdiqasim then set up a 'centralised' govt in 'carta' meaning 'abdillahi yusuf' govt was irrelevant, he used 'hassan abshir' who he threw away when he didn't want to force PL to fight each other that's when he got that 'ali khalif galayr' who 'hates' PL and used that half bidood monkey @Jablibax to make puntlander kill each other for puntland over abdiqasim.

So their was a civil war in 2001 period. It was resolved and Puntland powered on. Would I have taken the same approach, yes. I ain't going nowhere near HG cause I know it doesn't end well because of their 'past' and their 'loot' and also they know the world will not deal with Somalia with them in power after what they did to americans, somali genocide, their seen as the 'hitler' of Somalia and their followers are seen like neo-hawiye-nazis. So their always going to be disempowered like white nazis are and they know this hence they don't want a government. If Hawiye Nazi is in power then all Nazis will be in power world wide, it's going to send of a trend for civil war globally in the end.

Only negative I find with PL they never fulfilled the 'democracy' vision. So it's highly possible in 91 The SSDF would not of 'gone' to an election due to some 'internal' issue(hawiye having isimo issue) and it could've lasted as long PL for 20 years with no democracy, But we would have had an administration but not a full democracy because even 'Garowe' had an administration in 91, because it's impossible to live without mamul. I know it sounds boring when you go to factory doing the same thing but it's a system, and it better then no system. PL may sound boring, not fun, exciting Somali vs Somali karbash news, but it's STABLE and from Stability u can move onto 'progress' like me assisting them in areas they need to target. Where do u start with GM except sit there and work out how to harm other administrations.

This is all I can see in terms of pros/cons of them. So their not best we have I don't think and I was backing 'Ilkajir' over 'farole' bank teller because we respect 'army' cause we from 'miyi' we backed 'asad diyano' also so it's not clan based bashashu meaning miyi love security experienced leaders in power. We don't respect gaas, farmajo, they should be in parliament, or civil lobbies giving policy advice. Look at SL all military men ruling, that's how it's done. They let their smart ppl focus on policy.

Majerten were not going around killing thousands of hawiye or isaaq civilians either. I think the world would've worked with PL led Somalia because like they do now even without full democracy maybe due to some undecided matter or HG element somewhere. It's not a perfect system but it's not what we seen for 30 years. Their would possibly be a-lot of angry clans like their are in PL today. I don't doubt that but it's stability.

I will follow up on Aideed and Siyad. But as usual you 'start' with your own clan, not someone else clan. I am very focused internally and only 20%(externally) because externally their is 1000s of Majerten who are doing that for me, why would I add more 'resources' lol.
 

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Siyad - I am very pro siyad and I am declaring my biases up-front for personal reasons(which may mean it's national reasons as some Somalis may not have had the same opportunity as I did). How can I hate the man? my dad became a respected diplomat from a rural background in nugaal. That's like some kid coming from missisipi in america to the capital in washington where all academia, power, businesses were and he gave him a shot to succeed and he did succeed even though my dad made crucial mistakes by funding SSDF like 'snitch' on his own government money and he still regrets it my father, so this does 'influence' my views of Respecting Siyad. Because lots of people made a name for themselves from him to only turn on him and that is not something I consider my personal values whatsoever regardless of clan dynamics. Ninka ku soo sasaro ayaan dilaya war ma aha, so if I empower u and u come and kill me or go to ethiopians to disturb the nation, I will be DAMN FURIOUS ALSO. Now that's aside my personal bias and emotions. Let's partially review the man from all angles and without emotions.
 

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Bidodka Hassan yusuf I thought u were somaliland abaha qawadka ka wasse
 
Ogaden saved MSB from the Machettes of Aideed. They asked Ogaden to request Kikuyus to send a helicopter to save the founding father of Marexan when he was cornered in the Somali border with Kenya.
 

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Ogaden saved MSB from the Machettes of Aideed. They asked Ogaden to request Kikuyus to send a helicopter to save the founding father of Marexan when he was cornered in the Somali border with Kenya.

Somalis use the excuse of 77 war loss to Ethiopia, I think it was more an opportunity for power grab, because they found the right timing when people were pissed off to start an assault on the govt. I can't imagine having a team I enpower and if I make a mistake or get something wrong or lose in my policy advice they will come after me. Siyad isn't responsible only, but also his policy advisors who may not have been gifted or selected accordingly or may have had ulterior motives to lose the war outside of(cuba/yemen intervention). U mus realize as Somali culture we snitches, we are like a team that check mates itself lol and the enemy knows this about us.

Heaps of ppl worked against siyad inside the government including my father who was GETTING PAID BY HIM. How dare u cunts do this to your government waa in xaq loo hadla there was no 88 nonsense, there was just ethiopia loss. America loses iraq will americans now snitch and join russia to set up a rebel army and get tanks and shit. Before u seek something review your morals and values because you could end up like aideed leaving behind HG image for your kids who are now viewed internationally as hawiye nazis who killed civilians like hitler did with jews, thats what the world see after habar gedir dragged its soldier in the street
 
Siyad and Aideed both have a lot of innocents on their hands. Let the dead rest and leave their affairs to Allah. Insulting the dead isn't good. The only thing we can do is learn from what they did wrong and make sure that doesn't happen again. Just a general advise for people here.
 
@DR OSMAN why do you constantly talk about tribes making essays and podcasts? Don't you have more valuable things to do with your time? Are you married? Do you got a job? Someone needs to take away your devices because it's not good for your mental health.
 

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They were both power hungry and brutally attacked their adversaries but if you put politics aside, the only thing Siad had over Aidid was age and seniority, unfortunately that age and seniority did not come with wisdom. Aidid did not drink, smoke (tubaakada haday faaido leedahay HG baa liqi lahayd is a very famous saying in Somalia) or chew. He wasn't known to break promises to people nor hoard wealth for his immediate family. One tricked his way into Power and the other had to fight his way into it. Siad gave away Galbeed and NFD to stay in power whilst Aidid fought to the end to defend his principles, even at the behest of World Powers.
 

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They were both power hungry and brutally attacked their adversaries but if you put politics aside, the only thing Siad had over Aidid was age and seniority, unfortunately that age and seniority did not come with wisdom. Aidid did not drink, smoke (tubaakada haday faaido leedahay HG baa liqi lahayd is a very famous saying in Somalia) or chew. He wasn't known to break promises to people nor hoard wealth for his immediate family. One tricked his way into Power and the other had to fight his way into it. Siad gave away Galbeed and NFD to stay in power whilst Aidid fought to the end to defend his principles, even at the behest of World Powers.

The only reason I am not fully decided about HG, you guys have no academics who follow the scientific method to present a strong case for yourself, so I try my hardest to find it myself and trust me, I personally admire the man because he left a legacy for us to 'study' and 'learn' from. Sxb I don't learn nothing from Deni-Gaas-Farole and that's why I haven't decided if there is any benefit to go to PL. I learned a-lot from Aideed people when I was in Mogadishu, it made me review my views on Somalis and I became 'tribal' from that day on.

I don't admire what he did in terms of genocide un-armed civilians going about their day. If Japan invaded Australia, I would not respect if he just came in my house and said are you 'govt' worker and put a bullet in my head lol.

Maybe their values and cultures do that which is what HG showed unfortunately or maybe they don't want a remnant left of the old system. But to harm just a worker who isn't fighting u and wants to be RULED that's a bit fucked up or else we would have to say Hitler waa Geesi, nah bro, he tried to prove himself to jews who didn't have arms, if he was brave and attacked them today, waa war kale and if he defeatd them iyago armed ah, waa geesi then. In PL we don't target civilians. HG just dropped 15 ppl walking the street of galkayo from baydhabo.

The more u do this the world is scared that your another mini hitler in african continent and they want assurance that your disempowered for regional stability stake or else u will go around do this to nairobi, addis, then london in the end, u setting up a coward culture not the gob culture of miyiga. But i heard u have no real isimo to teach you dhaqan anymore since keenadiid cuz when he ruled u, u became prime minister and automically loved as GOB HABAR GEDIR ABDULLAHI ISSE. Somalis respected u then now no more and the world doesnt either.
 

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The only reason I am not fully decided about HG, you guys have no academics who follow the scientific method to present a strong case for yourself, so I try my hardest to find it myself and trust me, I personally admire the man because he left a legacy for us to 'study' and 'learn' from. Sxb I don't learn nothing from Deni-Gaas-Farole and that's why I haven't decided if there is any benefit to go to PL. I learned a-lot from Aideed people when I was in Mogadishu, it made me review my views on Somalis and I became 'tribal' from that day on.

I don't admire what he did in terms of genocide un-armed civilians going about their day. If Japan invaded Australia, I would not respect if he just came in my house and said are you 'govt' worker and put a bullet in my head lol.

Maybe their values and cultures do that which is what HG showed unfortunately or maybe they don't want a remnant left of the old system. But to harm just a worker who isn't fighting u and wants to be RULED that's a bit fucked up or else we would have to say Hitler waa Geesi, nah bro, he tried to prove himself to jews who didn't have arms, if he was brave and attacked them today, waa war kale and if he defeatd them iyago armed ah, waa geesi then. In PL we don't target civilians. HG just dropped 15 ppl walking the street of galkayo from baydhabo.

The more u do this the world is scared that your another mini hitler in african continent and they want assurance that your disempowered for regional stability stake or else u will go around do this to nairobi, addis, then london in the end, u setting up a coward culture not the gob culture of miyiga.

He ruled for 21 years, ofcourse he will have a legacy. :icon lol:

I'm sure if Farmaajo or Deni had as many years they could achieve a thing or two. The system itself is built to fail, what real good can anyone do in 4 years, you will spend half the time trying to win the next election.

I think the government mandate should be 10 years wallahi. I know it would hurt to see a rival clan sat on the presidential seat for that long but effective change cannot come in a short period of time.
 

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@Mckenzie why are u laffing? this is the only thing I realize with HG, they laff, I remember this guy qoslaaye and even if u talked to him all he did was laff, by doing this u show us a pattern. Sxb no-one arms HG, they need to go to eritrea or banned states like north korea or underground terrorist groups, that's why islamist rose up in somalia from them lol. Look at GM, the world wants nothing to do with it untill PL confirms it's OK thru PSF AND CIA arrangement. The govt of world have to seek approval ssecurity institutions first. U know that. We know your situation aduunka albabkisa way xirteen from u and your clan so you seek qatar now huh? or any state that is not lawful or underground like iran next huh you are monitored sxb and snitched by your own clan for money.

I just say drop the nuke on GM but i know we have to do human rights way but then i argue u did it to japan why not HG his a menance to world if he gets somalia then he is coming for region and then world like japan did, just drop the nuke on DHUSOMAREEB
 

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There is serious potential for iran to enter somalia and convince HG to attack PL and capture the red sea and be on stand by for saudi trade link and western world. HG WILL DO IT, THEIR BANNED FROM THE WORLD REMEMBER GUYS? POLICY ADVICE NEEDED. Thats why I like HG, you work with the OUTLAW STATES AND I PREFER SITTING WITH U SO I PREPARE FOR U NIYAHOW.

But I will surrender to you for a nuke deal with Iran, if they really have it, I want to protect ourselves and I will sleep with Iran, I am even negiotable then. If Iran has the nuke, If it will trade knowledge of it, I will accept negiotations for PL. We will be secure forever once we get, no-one gets involved in nations with nukes, we can then stop worrying about clans lining up foreigners like the colonial days. Colonial days it was just light weapons, now its still light weapons. If Iran can pass on the nuke, then it sets a race for the whole continent of africa who are SAVAGE AND WHO WILL USE IT MUGABE STYLE, IDI AMIN, AND EVEN THE WILD DOCTOR CAUSE I THEM NIGGAS CAUSE ITS OLD KINGDOMS
 
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@Mckenzie why are u laffing? this is the only thing I realize with HG, they laff, I remember this guy qoslaaye and even if u talked to him all he did was laff, by doing this u show us a pattern. Sxb no-one arms HG, they need to go to eritrea or banned states like north korea or underground terrorist groups, that's why islamist rose up in somalia from them lol. Look at GM, the world wants nothing to do with it untill PL confirms it's OK thru PSF AND CIA arrangement. The govt of world have to seek approval ssecurity institutions first. U know that. We know your situation aduunka albabkisa way xirteen from u and your clan so you seek qatar now huh? or any state that is not lawful or underground like iran next huh you are monitored sxb and snitched by your own clan for money.

I just say drop the nuke on GM but i know we have to do human rights way but then i argue u did it to japan why not HG his a menance to world if he gets somalia then he is coming for region and then world like japan did, just drop the nuke on DHUSOMAREEB

One laugh baa ku kashifay and now you want GM to be nuked :mjlol:

War heedhe, bring the CIA and PSF to Dhusamareb and you will get smoked quicker than a cigarette aabahaa wasse.
 
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That's why the Aideed story doesn't add up to me sxb, HG need to really help us understand but they never talk about him sxb and people will SPEAK FOR HIM and sometimes that is not the correct account as history is written by the winner. I know their 'moryan' guys who lack ISIMO culture in mogadishu if they capture u they ask what tribe u r automatically, they don't ask for isimkaga, or any dhaqan meaning isku diya ma tihin. But their politicians are smart they know civilians have no power so I dont know wallahi. I think dhaqanki ba ka dhintay sxb nothing else, and I think americans targetted that elders house to ensure HG become the moryans of somalia who have no elders managing them to ensure somalis hate them for black hawk down
 

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If America bombed our ISIMO having a meeting and as majertens we never chose another isimo immediately following dynasty protocol(dhaxaltoyo) we would be finished as a culture also and would turn like moryans
 

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Ok I am worried when my views increase it indicates it's propaganda, where-as when the views decrease like scientists they actually are the solution. I noticed this pattern, we tend to love entertainment or media which is like DR osman strategy to keep you busy on 'fun' while I focus on your land with 'scientists' in western countries.

This brilliant model, lets flood entertainment into Somali and people like Dahir alasow so they focus energy on him, while the smart regions and clans prepare for western assistance, it will give us time to work out solutions and how to increase our locals without raising SUSPICIONS OF OTHER CLANS. Now we can use propaganda and ask westerner to fund it who believe in our vision and pay him off GRANDLY AS WE SAVED SOMALIA.

ISAAQ DID HE GOT ABAARO FOR IT, CREATES HIGHER IQ AND THEY ALWAYS GET THE WEAPONS THEIR SMARTER DEE WHILE INVESTING IN SOMALI TVS AND CREATING FAYSAL ALI WARAABE FOR EMOTIONAL SOMALIS AND EMOTIONAL ISLAMISTS, WHILE HE DEFLECTS U ON QABIIL AND HYSTERIA AND EMOTION CAUSE U WATCH YOUTUBE DEE, SACAD MUSE IS IN HARVARD NOW.

I AM GOING TO SET UP THE GAAL GAME WITH COGNISSIVE AND EMOTIONS WHILE SWINDLING SCHOLARSHIPS TO AUSTRLAIA IT WORKED WITH ABAARSO. THEN BAH DUBAYS SITS TEST AND ALWAYS WINS IN PUNTLAND SMARTEST LOCALS. HALAL WEEYE TO PLAY DECEPTION AND CREATE MONSTER GAALS TO SCARE PEOPLE AND AND TRIBES WITH GAALS THEY WILL FOCUS ON THIS WHILE OUR STUDENTS ARE IN HARVARD SHOWN FORMULAS FOR SATELLITES, TANKS, DRONES. ONCE KEENADIID FAMILY GONE WE WILL WRITE THE HISTORY THEY WERE JUST TRIBALISTS WHO REFUSED CILM FOR PUNTLAND
 
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