Af-maay and af-maxa tiri should become one

[TheLand]

What has Af Maay been influenced by, I always thought it was the more pure one. I'm not sure if im grasping at straws, but I thought Cushitic languages back then didn't have x or c back then, like in Oromo or Rendille or Agaw languages. And they have much less loan words, a lot of original Somali words are used instead of Arabic or English words. Was Maay influenced by neighboring people? I'm curious if other Somali type languages are missing c and x as well, like Af Garre, Tunni, Jiddu and the likes..

How do you know what was in an unrecorded (oral) ancient language? I’m assuming you heard it or read it somewhere, but there is no way that this can be accurate since it’s in other AA languages. Most likely just some ‘experts’ opinions who doesn’t even speak any of these languages.

 

[iley]

How do you know what was in an unrecorded (oral) ancient language? I’m assuming you heard it or read it somewhere, but there is no way that this can be accurate since it’s in other AA languages. Most likely just some ‘experts’ opinions who doesn’t even speak any of these languages.

Fair point i was most likely grasping at straws

 

[iley]

Rendille still has X and C sound.

Ty for correction

 

[iley]

Oromo and afar sound so different to me. One sounds like an indian language (literally), it’s less guttural, harsh and has no x. Whereas Afar sounds like how I imagine af-somali sounds like to non-somali speakers

Afar sounds pretty close to us I agree

 

[TheLand]

Afar sounds pretty close to us I agree

Yes Afar is also lowland East Cushitic and they are close to Somali culturally as well. Rendille is even closer and considered a ‘somaloid’ language

 

[Riftvalley]

Ty for correction

I think clans with more proximity to camels kept those sounds and farmers lost them

 

[iley]

I think clans with more proximity to camels kept those sounds and farmers lost them

If you think about it maxaa speaking somalis afar saho and rendille live amongst the camels in dry areas,,, u might b onto something

 

[TheLand]

I think clans with more proximity to camels kept those sounds and farmers lost them

Are you just trying to say camel herding nomadic pastoralists kept those words?

 

[Riftvalley]

Are you just trying to say camel herding nomadic pastoralists kept those words?

Not the words, sounds. It is a dumb theory of mine a some south Cushitic retain those sounds. There is also a fine line between who is a farmer vs pastoralist, especially in south west Somalia.

What is true is that pastoralist tend to wipe out linguistic diversity in areas they migrate to. There would have way more east Cushitic and sam dialects before maxa tiri speakers spread out. Oromos also wiped many dialects when they invaded/migrated to different areas across the Horn. There would have been a large mass of continuous Sam speakers stretching into Ethiopia before the Oromo migrations.

 

[TheLand]

Not the words, sounds. It is a dumb theory of mine as the some south Cushitic retain those sounds. What is true is that pastoralist tend to wipe out linguistic diversity in areas they migrate to. There would have way more east Cushitic and sam dialects before maxa tiri speakers spread out. Oromos also wiped many dialects when they invaded/migrated to different areas across the Horn. There would have been a large mass of continuous Sam speakers stretching into Ethiopia before the Oromo migrations.

I think it’s fairly obvious this happens. Apparently the Rendille have two groups, one that keeps camels and one that keeps cattle. The camel keeping ones are the more Cushitic looking ones whereas the cattle keepers have mixed with bantu and Nilotic groups probably because those groups already kept cattle. Most likely that the camel keepers speak something closer to Somali as well. I think it all hinges on other sub Saharan groups not keeping camels and this cultural difference blocking intermixing. Obviously there will be some exceptions though.

 

[Chase]

In Germany there's two languages they speak, one is the standard German and the other is a more complicated one, many Germans are fluent in both, and will switch to the second one when they don't want tourists overhearing them, there is no reason we can't both learn Af-Maay

 

[bobby_hill-Punt]

Oromo and afar sound so different to me. One sounds like an indian language (literally), it’s less guttural, harsh and has no x. Whereas Afar sounds like how I imagine af-somali sounds like to non-somali speakers

Your right on how Afar sounds just like Af Somali.

orom got a lot of words that being or end with dda. It sounds disgusting

 

[Midas]

Somali has probably had a slower rate of linguistic change since we're both semi isolated from other pouplations and the constant moving causes dialect leveling which slows down the rate of linguistic change.

I mean look at how much somali and rendille share even though the split likley happened before the islamic period and the pouplation intermarried amd was absorbed into Nilotic groups.