There's no gotcha here sis. No one refused a business deal, ever. You can qoute multiple comments of mine where I make that clear and I stand by my words. We ARE neighbors, and they have the ability to interfere with our politics (like at the time when PL made a BUSINESS deal and refused to close their consulate) while we can't do shit. If this puts that to a halt I support it. Any talks of lease or a navy base and I"ll be up in arms again.
BREAKING NEWS Abiy Ahmed visiting Somalia
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Why would you support PL not being able to make deals but you want to make deals with the same Ethiopian gov? Sounds like munaafaqad to me.
Getting an education in Ethiopia not to be rude leads to nothing. And if your are going to their hospitals goodluck you will most of the time end up dead.
You know even if the education is free there’s no free transportation? And they have to wear expensive ass uniform. No poor person can afford that. Or afford their kids going to school when they need those kids to go work for them Lol. And the public school education is ass. Also, I doubt the welfare for the poor part. Their people are starving. And they go to the Somali region and beg. They are starving. If Ethiopia was good they wouldn’t be going to Galbeed or Somalia.
You misunderstood broski. I've never been against any region making business deals, only against anything that jeopardizes Somalilands coming under xabashi ownership.
Abdisamad
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I can't stand these people wallahi, why I spit on somalinimo or anything to do with muqdisho.
My g "your" ppl are on this forum calling other somalis any kind of names 24/7 but if said group have any opinion you'll trip and curse lol. Take a break sxb, touch some grass. You can spit on somalinimo however you like but the world still moves on.
It ain’t that serious. Somalinimo is still well and alive.
Abdisamad
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Too many hypocrites for Somalinimo to work.
But it doesn’t negate the fact there’s still goodness in the Somali people and that Somalinimo is alive. Being online might make you think it’s dead but in person it’s alive. Could depend on where you live though. Because I’ve been invited into peoples home no matter the qabil. We help one another and care for eachother. And they tell me to come to their regions back home too.
always hungryy
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Why are Hawiye leaders always trying to be patriotic and uphold Somalinimo...
I say scratch that and do anything beneficial for beesha Hawiye they need to serve the interest of their own people not the fake so-called Somalinimo.
I say scratch that and do anything beneficial for beesha Hawiye they need to serve the interest of their own people not the fake so-called Somalinimo.
No offense, but when will HG leaders do what is in the best interest of hunter-gatherers sxb? QoorQoor just bought a $2 mill mansion in Nairobi, he doesn’t care about you neither do the others and they never have. That money came from the sales proceeds of the land in Xamar that you had built shanty towns on and were deported from. Atleast the Abgaal leaders seem to care more about them or atleast respect them enough not to destroy their jiingad villages every month and post it on YouTube and Facebook for Daarood and Isaaq to laugh at.
Idilinaa
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There is no major trend of Somalis seeking education or healthcare in Ethiopia. If anything, it’s the opposite
Ethiopians flee to Somalia for work, safety, and opportunity—not the other way around.
Somali diaspora invest heavily in Somali education—new private schools and universities have opened in recent years.
Even Ethiopian elites send their children to Kenya or the West for education- not Addis Ababa.
Military production does NOT equal economic strength. Ethiopia’s weapons industry is small, state-run, and mostly symbolic.
Ethiopia is still importing weapons—it relies on Turkish drones and Chinese equipment.
Manufacturing guns does not create prosperity. Ethiopia is still dirt-poor, with mass unemployment and famine.
Somalia’s economic model is business-driven, not military-driven. A thriving private sector is far more important than producing rifles.
You don’t eat guns. Ethiopia’s people are still starving despite “manufacturing weapons.”
False. Ethiopia is currently one of the most unstable and conflict-ridden countries in Africa.
Ethiopia is in a civil war, with multiple ethnic groups fighting against the government.
Fano militia is controlling parts of Ethiopia, and the government has lost control of regions.
Ethiopia is one of the most censored countries in Africa—there’s no press freedom or democratic rights.
Ethiopia is in an economic crisis, with high inflation, famine, and mass poverty.
FALSE. In fact, Somalia is gaining more regional respect than ever before.
Somalia is attracting investment from Turkey, Qatar, and the UAE. Somalia’s economy is growing, and its business community is strong.
Muslim countries recognize Somalia’s strategic location and economic potential. Ethiopia, on the other hand, is losing support globally due to its wars and instability.
Somalia is building strong trade ties while Ethiopia is becoming isolated.
Ridiculous . Haiti is literally the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere.
Haiti has no functioning government—Somalia at least has regional administrations that work.
Haiti’s gangs control the country—Somalia’s business sector is thriving.
Haiti’s people flee on boats to escape poverty—Somalia is attracting investment from its diaspora.
Comparing Somalia to Haiti is absurd. Haiti is completely collapsed whereas Somalia has an economic future.
Somalia has one of the most self-reliant economies in all of Africa. Somali economy is not just self-funded but it relies on local and diaspora investment. Without foreign loans or debt.
Ethiopia is the largest recipient of foreign Aid, like 50% of their economy is foreign aid driven and they owe over 30 billion in debt. Most of this debt is from China, the World Bank, and the IMF. The country is struggling to pay back loans, forcing it to beg for debt relief.
Somalia has almost no external debt, making it more financially independent.
Ethiopia relies on foreign donors to feed it's people . Millions of Ethiopians depend on food aid every year. The government cannot provide basic food security for its citizens. Even in 2024, Ethiopia is still experiencing famine-like conditions
Somalia’s private sector ensures food availability even during droughts.
Ethiopia Begs for Red Sea Access Instead of Building Its Own Economy. A strong country builds its own economy—it doesn’t beg for access to someone else’s resources.
Even our trade is self-reliant and based on regionalism. whereas Ethiopia and other Africans depends on the west to sustain itself .
Ethiopia is the epitome of a beggar nation. Somalia is the opposite is the most self reliant
Idilinaa
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Many of Ethiopia’s services are low quality education is underfunded, power outages are frequent, and welfare is limited.
Ethiopians also receive no jobs after graduation so people flee the country. Whereas in Somalia they invested money into creating companies, firms etc, and created job placement schemes for graduates and youth that leave the private technical and university schools. Ethiopia’s government controls most industries, limiting private sector growth. Ethiopians are still poor despite these government policies—because the system does not create wealth.
Low water bills is the most laughable. They don't even receive water and suffer from water shortages.
City residents denied water as priority given to street trees and flowers: Report - Ethiopia Observer
Watering trees and flowers in Addis Ababa is worsening the city’s ongoing water shortage, according to Meseret Meda. Trees and flowers planted as part of the so-called corridor development projects are being watered with trucked-in supplies from hydrants meant for drinking water, raising...
www.ethiopiaobserver.com
If it's this bad in Addis, then you know its worse everywhere else
Every time Ethiopian's go back to Addis it's struggle no water, electricity and they get robbed in broad daylight
"It's not like an insane concept. In Ethiopia you can pay your electricity on time, all the time. The electricity can just dissappear just like that"
The problem is that if the government is broke and non-functional it simply wont provide the services it promises , so saying there is free education, low whatevver, but what does that matter when schools are closing, teachers and faculty don't get payed, they have no materials and the private sector is non-existent (no employment opportunities), water scarcity, power/electricity shortages etc.
I rather have services i pay for that delivers for me than services i don't pay for but don't deliver and deliver terrible quality as well.
It goes to show you that Somalis unlike Ethiopia don't wait for government handouts , they create their own wealth. Somalis don't wait for the government to provide them with services they build their own schools, universities, and hospitals.
A system that provides "free" services but keeps people poor is NOT a successful model.
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Idilinaa
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@Zak12 @Midas The glazzing of Ethiopia is crazy, i have never seen a country that is failing and falling apart in so many ways and has that much level of poverty, desperation, conflict and violence but people think it's thriving beacon of economic growth and governance.
Imagine it's these people calling me positive hotepism, hopium or whatever nonsense for stating the real realities that are observeable.
I am glad some of the Ethiopian diaspora are honest enough to be upfront about what they see. The transport he is in is protected by a bar that seperates and protects the driver seat from the back seat, showing how dangerous it is. You wont see this in Somalia.
They go to @Ximan iyo Xadeed highly functional country and give out ''How to avoid pickpocketing'' tutorials. I am pretty sure i can go to Sanaag and not having to worry about getting robbed in broad day light.
Because in Ethiopia you have to spend half the time fighting, avoiding and resisting scammers and theifs.
Imagine it's these people calling me positive hotepism, hopium or whatever nonsense for stating the real realities that are observeable.
I am glad some of the Ethiopian diaspora are honest enough to be upfront about what they see. The transport he is in is protected by a bar that seperates and protects the driver seat from the back seat, showing how dangerous it is. You wont see this in Somalia.
They go to @Ximan iyo Xadeed highly functional country and give out ''How to avoid pickpocketing'' tutorials. I am pretty sure i can go to Sanaag and not having to worry about getting robbed in broad day light.
Because in Ethiopia you have to spend half the time fighting, avoiding and resisting scammers and theifs.
Idilinaa
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@Ximan iyo Xadeed
Further proof of how Addis ababa is more advanced than Mogadishu, total blackout with no street lights, slums and people don't even have 5 dollars, JK
The tragic part about is that it's not really a slum it's actually the busiest open market in Ethiopia called Merkato but he couldn't get past the poverty, disorganization and the desperation he saw, the fact that they were forced to sell scraps and yell at people to buy it from them. So people are in the comments furious at him.
Like he said at the end '' Livin day to day, being present. This what you supposed to be"
Compare this to Mogadishu's busiest open market, it's like night and day. There is no sign of the same poverty or desperation. Based on the extensive goods and inventory you see here people have some level of wealth and purchasing power.
Further proof of how Addis ababa is more advanced than Mogadishu, total blackout with no street lights, slums and people don't even have 5 dollars, JK
The tragic part about is that it's not really a slum it's actually the busiest open market in Ethiopia called Merkato but he couldn't get past the poverty, disorganization and the desperation he saw, the fact that they were forced to sell scraps and yell at people to buy it from them. So people are in the comments furious at him.
Like he said at the end '' Livin day to day, being present. This what you supposed to be"
Compare this to Mogadishu's busiest open market, it's like night and day. There is no sign of the same poverty or desperation. Based on the extensive goods and inventory you see here people have some level of wealth and purchasing power.
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Idilinaa
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I typed in what i wrote here in the ChatGPT i figured what shows the true economic realities between these two countries is the comparison between their biggest open markets.
So i asked if it could compare it with the known information out there
This comparison between Merkato in Addis Ababa and Bakaara Market in Mogadishu speaks volumes about the true economic realities of both cities and their broader economies.
Merkato (Addis Ababa) vs. Bakaara Market (Mogadishu)
Merkato in Addis Ababa is often described as chaotic, overcrowded, and poverty-stricken. Many of the vendors are selling scrap materials, second-hand goods, and struggling to make a few dollars a day. Bakaara Market in Mogadishu is far more organized and filled with wealthier traders, selling a diverse range of goods—including electronics, textiles, food, and imported products. Unlike Merkato, Bakaara Market shows strong purchasing power, with traders who have larger inventories and businesses that actually thrive, rather than just survive.
Observation:
Merkato reflects extreme poverty and desperation—people are struggling just to get by. Bakaara Market reflects economic resilience—Somalis have wealth, goods, and investment.
What Does This Say About Ethiopia’s Economy vs. Somalia’s?
Ethiopia’s economy is failing the common person—the struggle in Merkato reflects deep poverty and lack of real economic opportunity for Ethiopians. Somalia’s informal economy is strong—despite lacking a strong government, Somalia’s private sector ensures wealth continues to circulate locally. Ethiopia has extreme wealth inequality—a few elites control the wealth while most people remain in deep poverty. Key Takeaway: If Ethiopia was really “booming,” its largest market wouldn’t be filled with desperate people selling scraps. Somalia’s economy is much more self-sufficient, and wealth is more widely distributed among traders and small business owners.
Ethiopia is More Dependent on Foreign Aid, Somalia is More Self-Reliant
Ethiopia receives billions in foreign aid—yet ordinary Ethiopians see no benefit. Somalia receives very little foreign aid, yet Somalis manage to create wealth through business and private investment. Ethiopia is state-controlled, meaning most wealth is concentrated in government hands. Somalia is market-driven, meaning ordinary people actually participate in and benefit from the economy. Conclusion: Somalia’s private sector is proving stronger than Ethiopia’s state-controlled model. Somalis have more economic mobility and business success than the average Ethiopian. Bakaara Market represents trade and commerce—Merkato represents struggle and survival.Final Verdict: Somalia’s Market Economy is Outperforming Ethiopia’s “State Growth”
Merkato vs. Bakaara shows that Somalia’s private sector fuels real economic growth, while Ethiopia’s government-controlled model has failed its people. Somalia’s informal economy ensures that wealth circulates—Ethiopia’s model creates extreme poverty. Despite political instability, Somalia’s economy is more dynamic and provides better opportunities for its people. Ethiopia might have the bigger "official" GDP numbers, but in reality, Somalia’s people are better off economically.
