Many politicians now enter Somali politics to steal UN/Donor or skim off profits from related projects. The Somali diaspora politicians in their 50s-60s are even worse because they have no loyalty to Somalia and there are no qualifications needed.
Abdullahi Yusuf vs Caydiid
- Thread starter Abaq
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Somalis locally and diaspora have horrendous cultural values it's not just politician but even the AVG dude in diaspora or local want easy way out in everything and their masters of short cuts and even worse their masters at fraud basically dishonesty no matter what they touch. I call em shaydhan meadows as they really are the most evil human group by far.
These dudes will even defraud welfare funds intended for kids, disabled, elderly as their notorious for doing rackets on even childcare your talking bloody kids here. I don't like their cultural values, these ppl need a cultural revolution if any productive govt is to emerge. What's sad how arrogant they are that they love Islam and follow Islam and call ppl Gaal but U r defrauding the most innocent segment of a population children thru childcare rackets.
They ironically don't see their Salah and Ramadan is pointless and they lost their akhirah and going to jahanam cause all religions are united that vulnerable ppl ninki taabta ama ku ciyaaro whether it's elderly, kids, disabled ama dhaco WA ehelu naar.
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Abaq
VIP
You are missing the point. This thread isn’t about the military alliances, it’s about the reason for why the country can’t move forward till today. You can’t understand Somali politics today without understanding the events of 94
Abaq
VIP
Hawiye want centralism and everything HSM is doing is aimed towards thatNo one wants centralism. Certainly not after the hawiya genocide took place 88-90 when the so called Somalia government tried to “clear” entire communities from the central highway And southern mudug. Never forget.
And we’re waiting for banaadir state and ur taking about centralism kkkkk.
And lol at balkanization.
Darod hate other darod the must.
Even isaaqs. HA & co have weird obsession with GX. They’re only united because they live in two cities and 5 towns and are surrounded by “enemies.”
U can’t run a nation being extremely tribal/clannish. At least not for long.
Unless something extremely major happens, get ready for a HAG + some RX ( maybe few OG with deep pockets if they switch from Nairobi) deep state that’s been developing inas we speak. Writing comments online or being isolationist won’t change much. In fact, they latter will harm u long term.
Only langaabs want centralism. Get it through ur thick skull. Study what federalism is first. What we currently have is not even confederation. He’s trying to move things along closer to federalism.
Remind me why they called him marxuum .
Remind me why they called him marxuum .
Hamza was raised by his mother, in his mother's deegaan, the audacity to have him represent an entire clan in a 4.5 sharing system! Culusow did this on purpose, for god's sake Hamza was even the secretary of Damul Jadiid at some point!
From day 1, when people raised the alarm about him, I remember seeing people get defensive and acted as if people were being qabiilist, when in fact, it was obvious what his political leanings are. The writing was on the wall, the minute he was sworn in.
But this is the norm for Somalis, they love to underestimate maternal influences, and women in general.
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They're mad Hawiye have the power and they're reduced to a few minions who wait for what daddy Hawiye says.
To they told you, we are like you qaldaan oromia boy
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OG will catch fire first for choice him.
@DR OSMAN
You are correct about hawiye never fighting a united darod. And also correct about ogadeen siding with hawiye/usc in 1991 similar to now in 2024.
Abaq
VIP
Hamza was raised in an Ogaden area. And he represents his own interests just like every PM before him. There is no such thing as Darod interest as you alluded to previously so I don’t know why you expect him to be different from the PMs before him
I don't believe in Daarood or Daarood interests, but you are the one who made this topic, lamenting the current situation. On top of that, you are the one who is displeased with the trajectory of Jubbaland's politics, which Hamza has a hand in.
Let Hamza at least cater to Ogaden interests, iskadhaaf Daarood.
Abaq
VIP
I make no allusions to Darod interests nor do I believe in it. I’m just using the terminology the guy in the video used. I also made it clear Ogaden and Mx were not present in that meeting as per the interview.
As for Jubaland, any sane person would be displeased with its current trajectory, and no Hamza has no hand in it. The responsibility for that begins and ends with Madobe.
And as I said before, Hamza can’t do anything in a Hawiye city. The best he can do is survive and he is doing that
You can't rewrite history caaghdeer. Your master usc got destroyed by marehan in jubbaland then you left.
Today you are just as desperate. Do you know why blackie is so beholden to ulusow? Because ulusow is about to kick kenya out of kismaayo. A smart move by ulusow.
I think you are beginning to understand ogadeen is actually nothing in jubbaland and is used to serve their masters interests.
Don't worry ulusow will replace madoobe with another caaghdeer.
The real problem, is that everyone thinks they are powerless. Hamza and Madobe are just individuals, and they can easily be replaced, if there is the will for it.
As for Mogadishu being the capital, another issue that can be resolved, when the right people realise how much power they wield.
We need to take a step back and examine this situation with a less hate-fueled perspective. Why did the Darod clan seem to have a weaker hold on the federal government compared to the Hawiye?
There is a lack of unity within the clan. At the onset of the civil war, the clan itself was divided. Initially, it was between the loyalists and the SSDF, then further fragmented into different sub-clan militia groups, each with radically different goals.
The Darods were not the only ones facing internal divisions; the Hawiye also experienced splits. Many overlook the infighting between the Abgaal-led faction and the Habr-Gidir-led faction, which reached enormous proportions, resulting in stories of cousins killing their uncles.
As we know, the Majerteen-Abgaal faction emerged as the closest thing to a "winner" of the civil war, meaning founding the transitional federal government. However, the challenge arose when Abdullahi Yusuf and other Majerteens couldn't garner compliance from the other Darods. Dhulbahante and Marehan still aimed to reinstate the Kaacan regime under a different leader, while Ogaden committed atrocities in SWS and had given their support behind Aideed.
This failure provided an opportunity for the ICU to emerge. People tend to forget the significant impact of the ICU's short but influential rule. From Hiiraan to Afmadow, they were generally well-received. The ICU, operating under Islamic rules, facilitated reconciliation between clans, empowered minorities, and allowed disadvantaged individuals to seek blood money. Clans under the ICU experienced the closest semblance to reconciliation in Somalia.
Factor in the existential fear from the Isaaq, lingering historical animosity from the Raxanwein due to the massive hunger campaign under Siad Barre and the terror of SPM, improved reconciliation within the Hawiye and southern Somali clans in general, the distance between southern and northern Daroods, and its obivous why the current selection system favours the Hawiye.
Furthermore, while it might be considered blasphemous for Somalis, Abdullahi Yusuf's presidency in the entire south was perceived as the worst in the post-Kacaan era. The invitation of Ethiopian troops, the invitation of Amisom, and the atrocities committed by the then-SNA, essentially hired warlords, left a stain on north darods from a southern perspective. It's crucial his reign negatively impacted the Marehan and Ogaden just as much as the other southern clans.
The way out of this quagmire could involve implementing a one-man-one-vote system and having a more competent leader, akin to "Farmajo," to lead the nation this time. With Madobe siding with HSM, Marehan putting their lot in, and losing with Farmajo, and general apathy from the government to recognize SSC as a valid federal state, leave the clan to divide to make a unified bid for the presidency. HSM has had enough chips in his armor to make a unified bid against him be very effective.
But from the way the cards are arranged I don't see that happening very soon.
Edit: When I mean Farmajo, I meant someone using nationalist-populist rhetoric. The Isaaq vote is lost by default, but Raxanwein and sections of Hawiye could still very well be persuaded. It'd be easier under one-man-one-vote, but still far from impossible under the current system.
There is a lack of unity within the clan. At the onset of the civil war, the clan itself was divided. Initially, it was between the loyalists and the SSDF, then further fragmented into different sub-clan militia groups, each with radically different goals.
The Darods were not the only ones facing internal divisions; the Hawiye also experienced splits. Many overlook the infighting between the Abgaal-led faction and the Habr-Gidir-led faction, which reached enormous proportions, resulting in stories of cousins killing their uncles.
As we know, the Majerteen-Abgaal faction emerged as the closest thing to a "winner" of the civil war, meaning founding the transitional federal government. However, the challenge arose when Abdullahi Yusuf and other Majerteens couldn't garner compliance from the other Darods. Dhulbahante and Marehan still aimed to reinstate the Kaacan regime under a different leader, while Ogaden committed atrocities in SWS and had given their support behind Aideed.
This failure provided an opportunity for the ICU to emerge. People tend to forget the significant impact of the ICU's short but influential rule. From Hiiraan to Afmadow, they were generally well-received. The ICU, operating under Islamic rules, facilitated reconciliation between clans, empowered minorities, and allowed disadvantaged individuals to seek blood money. Clans under the ICU experienced the closest semblance to reconciliation in Somalia.
Factor in the existential fear from the Isaaq, lingering historical animosity from the Raxanwein due to the massive hunger campaign under Siad Barre and the terror of SPM, improved reconciliation within the Hawiye and southern Somali clans in general, the distance between southern and northern Daroods, and its obivous why the current selection system favours the Hawiye.
Furthermore, while it might be considered blasphemous for Somalis, Abdullahi Yusuf's presidency in the entire south was perceived as the worst in the post-Kacaan era. The invitation of Ethiopian troops, the invitation of Amisom, and the atrocities committed by the then-SNA, essentially hired warlords, left a stain on north darods from a southern perspective. It's crucial his reign negatively impacted the Marehan and Ogaden just as much as the other southern clans.
The way out of this quagmire could involve implementing a one-man-one-vote system and having a more competent leader, akin to "Farmajo," to lead the nation this time. With Madobe siding with HSM, Marehan putting their lot in, and losing with Farmajo, and general apathy from the government to recognize SSC as a valid federal state, leave the clan to divide to make a unified bid for the presidency. HSM has had enough chips in his armor to make a unified bid against him be very effective.
But from the way the cards are arranged I don't see that happening very soon.
Edit: When I mean Farmajo, I meant someone using nationalist-populist rhetoric. The Isaaq vote is lost by default, but Raxanwein and sections of Hawiye could still very well be persuaded. It'd be easier under one-man-one-vote, but still far from impossible under the current system.
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