Using such examples should be stopped entirely, there are better ways to explain it. I’m sure you’ve heard the 'mother' example before as well. Many younger audiences, in particular, don’t need to hear such examples. We understand the point he is trying to make, but the method he is using is flawed and does more harm than good. It provides diin haters with an easy opportunity to depict the religion inaccurately. It's too easy for diin haters to edit these types of vids, and post them without context, leading others to jump to unfounded conclusions. I hope examples like these are retired soon. Many dawah guys are doing great work, may Allah reward them for it, but some need better training. This is propaganda ammunition galore for dadka diinta neceb
Aba & Preach go after Mohamed Hoblos for using 'The one who prays and even gr*pes a c is better in the eyes of God than the one who doesn’t pray' ex
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Using such examples should be stopped entirely, there are better ways to explain it. I’m sure you’ve heard the 'mother' example before as well. Many younger audiences, in particular, don’t need to hear such examples. We understand the point he is trying to make, but the method he is using is flawed and does more harm than good. It provides diin haters with an easy opportunity to depict the religion inaccurately. It's too easy for diin haters to edit these types of vids, and post them without context, leading others to jump to unfounded conclusions. I hope examples like these are retired soon. Many dawah guys are doing great work, may Allah reward them for it, but some need better training. This is propaganda ammunition galore for dadka diinta neceb
The guy is an idiot, we should stone these internet sheikhs.
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I saw this earlier and I thought about posting it but said never mind as I don’t wanna spread this shame.
I hate this type of dawah when they say the most absurd things to garner attention. Did the prophet or any of the sahaba did this?
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https://www.somalispot.com/threads/sheikhs-using-extreme-examples.168895/#post-4082811
I remember making a similar thread about this a while back about Abu Taymiyah
I think that sheikhs especially those who's talks often go viral should be very wary of how they say certain things and think about how others especially those who are looking into Islam with the intention of learning could potentially interpret them.
The biggest loss would be a person with no background of Islam gain interest in Islam only to reject it upon coming across silly talks like these when sheikhs could use much more appropriate examples
I remember making a similar thread about this a while back about Abu Taymiyah
I think that sheikhs especially those who's talks often go viral should be very wary of how they say certain things and think about how others especially those who are looking into Islam with the intention of learning could potentially interpret them.
The biggest loss would be a person with no background of Islam gain interest in Islam only to reject it upon coming across silly talks like these when sheikhs could use much more appropriate examples
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The comments are people insulting the deen there is no point in looking into it. This guy invited people into doing so by being so bizzare.
Aba is a ex muslim. He knew what he was doing making this video. He opened the flood gates for his audience to attack islam
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I would like to think this is a new phenomenon within the Western dawah scene. Abu Taymiyyah issued an apology video about a month ago for using the 'mother' example
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I don't see anyone that is challenging this belief theologically, I couldn't careless what others think
The question of course is whether the claim is true or not, the worst of sin is of course dying on shirk which is never forgiven, emphasis is on death her.
Sins in general fall under two categories, "sins against Allah" Vs "sins against the creation"
Allah is very forgiving but the creation is not and part of his justice is transgression against the creation requires forgiveness from them or you will pay with hard akhira currency.
Hence by default for as long as the person is still alive, automatically the sins against the creation is worse especially heinous ones like molestations, murder etc. because it's unlikely that person would forgive you.
These types of people don't pray, it's oxymoron to think so and we can use the Qur'an as refutation to further proof this {29:45} as Allah says Salah protects from fahisha (immoral acts/sins) and munkar (evil deeds).
But even as a hypothetical those heinous sins against creations are always worse due to lack of forgiveness factor from the creation and the infinite justice of Allah.
But as for Salah the matter is to Allah, it's between both of you, and as such forgiveness is far more likely when you transgress, a person can go decades without praying than Allah manifests the good in their heart towards the end of their life and guides him/her and they end up in paradise as the hadith tells us.
Child molesters, pedophiles, murders and some of the other heinous things those brothers mentioned, those people don't pray because had they prayed, the Salah would have protected them from those heinous crimes.
There crime is essentially worse, heinous crimes and no Salah combined together.
The question of course is whether the claim is true or not, the worst of sin is of course dying on shirk which is never forgiven, emphasis is on death her.
Sins in general fall under two categories, "sins against Allah" Vs "sins against the creation"
Allah is very forgiving but the creation is not and part of his justice is transgression against the creation requires forgiveness from them or you will pay with hard akhira currency.
Hence by default for as long as the person is still alive, automatically the sins against the creation is worse especially heinous ones like molestations, murder etc. because it's unlikely that person would forgive you.
These types of people don't pray, it's oxymoron to think so and we can use the Qur'an as refutation to further proof this {29:45} as Allah says Salah protects from fahisha (immoral acts/sins) and munkar (evil deeds).
But even as a hypothetical those heinous sins against creations are always worse due to lack of forgiveness factor from the creation and the infinite justice of Allah.
But as for Salah the matter is to Allah, it's between both of you, and as such forgiveness is far more likely when you transgress, a person can go decades without praying than Allah manifests the good in their heart towards the end of their life and guides him/her and they end up in paradise as the hadith tells us.
Child molesters, pedophiles, murders and some of the other heinous things those brothers mentioned, those people don't pray because had they prayed, the Salah would have protected them from those heinous crimes.
There crime is essentially worse, heinous crimes and no Salah combined together.
Funny how we didn’t get the full video, what is it in context?
If the context was how he was explaining how having imaan and doing obligatory things are more important (even while still engaging in haram) than having no imaan and not doing the obligatory things than I can understand (even though they don’t engage in haram), he may have used an extreme example but it’s still understandable regardless.
Maybe this extreme example was required due to some questioning that came up or due to some incident that happened in a local area.
I don’t believe for one second that this sheikh was justifying any of these acts of disobedience towards Allah SWT and would obviously call for the idea that staying away from haram and having imaan/ doing the obligatory acts come together and are usually one. Instead he seemed to be comparing one horrible man but a believer to a man who’s not so horrible in engaging in haram but is even more horrible in the eyes of Allah due to his kufr.
You lot siding with the kaafir and arguing about optics, are already on a losing battle. You’re hearts are already being swayed by not giving your brother in Islam a chance to be understood yet allowing a kaafirs presentation of his words to be listened to instead.
If the context was how he was explaining how having imaan and doing obligatory things are more important (even while still engaging in haram) than having no imaan and not doing the obligatory things than I can understand (even though they don’t engage in haram), he may have used an extreme example but it’s still understandable regardless.
Maybe this extreme example was required due to some questioning that came up or due to some incident that happened in a local area.
I don’t believe for one second that this sheikh was justifying any of these acts of disobedience towards Allah SWT and would obviously call for the idea that staying away from haram and having imaan/ doing the obligatory acts come together and are usually one. Instead he seemed to be comparing one horrible man but a believer to a man who’s not so horrible in engaging in haram but is even more horrible in the eyes of Allah due to his kufr.
You lot siding with the kaafir and arguing about optics, are already on a losing battle. You’re hearts are already being swayed by not giving your brother in Islam a chance to be understood yet allowing a kaafirs presentation of his words to be listened to instead.
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Meh, f*ck them. He never said what they twist it to imply and neither does Islam. Those people have a hate against Islam even in the best words. If you change to appeal to your haters, you will end up betraying what you believe in to appease them and even then they will look down on what you believe in. You will have to abandon Islam for them to embrace you.
You niggas need to stop cowering for a bunch of kafirs. They have deliberately manipulated a bad rep for Muslims since the beginning.
That murtad takes and misrepresents Islam completely with his backward ignorance and then says, "Send me to hell" - typical narcists who have to always appeal to the liberal to score degeneracy points.
You niggas need to stop cowering for a bunch of kafirs. They have deliberately manipulated a bad rep for Muslims since the beginning.
That murtad takes and misrepresents Islam completely with his backward ignorance and then says, "Send me to hell" - typical narcists who have to always appeal to the liberal to score degeneracy points.
If the sheikh has represented Islam in the most authentic way possible and some short video out of context has put off people interested in Islam then they can only blame themselves for allowing the shaytaan grab a hold of their hearts and not giving into Allah SWT signs as He gives all of us signs.
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I swear that nigga is some ex Muslim Oromo who treated his parents like shit
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He didn't justify it, he made the point that leaving/missing off Salah is greater sin than those heinous crimes, which is a common argument the duaats make which is false if you examine it closely.
I already answered why it's false but it's a common line of argument built on a false premise that those types of heinous criminals actually perform Salah, when quran tells us that Salah protects one from those types of crimes, as well as the principle that the sin against the creation is worse than against most forgiving and most gracious.
When you come out with these types of extreme provocative statements which have little to know benefit for even Muslims don't be surprised to see the infidels and munafiqs have a field day with it.
There is no kafirs to appease her, but the deen needs to be defended from these types of erroneous understandings, I have been hearing this for decades.
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Is Aba from AbaNPreach REALLY Muslim?
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This nigga is vile.
You’ve completely contradicted yourself here and I’m not sure what you’re trying to get at.
Shirk is the worst of all sins full stop. Saying other wise will take you out of the fold of Islam period. No Muslim argues for anything other than saying shirk is the worst sin you can preform.
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Is Aba from AbaNPreach REALLY Muslim?
Watch Full Episode - https://youtu.be/-YzJOy5UiXcComedian Andrew Schulz asks Aba from Aba N Preach whether he identifies as Muslim.Flagrant is a comedy show ...
Timestamp 4:14
This nigga is vile.
Is Aba from AbaNPreach REALLY Muslim?
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Timestamp 4:14
This nigga is vile.
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Aba is an ilmo xaaraan, he knew what he was doing when he reacted to that clip. He knows exactly how internet sheikhs can be exaggerative with their ignorant and un-nuanced spiel. They did this video to circle jerk with their Islamphobic Redditor audience.
Another point I forgot to mention and ask, are there not conditions to one’s prayer? If Allah doesn’t accept a person’s prayer for 40 days for drinking alcohol, how on earth can we assume that Allah will accept the prayers of a murderer and r8pist who commits these acts daily as the Sheikh mentioned?
I’m sorry but examples like this open a can of worms. So I’m meant to believe that the consumption of alcohol which is indeed a lesser sin and the hadd punishment compared to that of say murder reflects this warrants someone’s entire prayer not being answered but a man can r8pe only a daily basis and his prayer would be answered?
Simply thinking about this for like 5 mins unravels a lot. I understand that the Sheikh was trying to drum home how dangerous lack of prayer is, but this comparison is flawed.
I’m sorry but examples like this open a can of worms. So I’m meant to believe that the consumption of alcohol which is indeed a lesser sin and the hadd punishment compared to that of say murder reflects this warrants someone’s entire prayer not being answered but a man can r8pe only a daily basis and his prayer would be answered?
Simply thinking about this for like 5 mins unravels a lot. I understand that the Sheikh was trying to drum home how dangerous lack of prayer is, but this comparison is flawed.
What is funny about any of this to him, the black guy just eggs him on as well.Is Aba from AbaNPreach REALLY Muslim?
Watch Full Episode - https://youtu.be/-YzJOy5UiXcComedian Andrew Schulz asks Aba from Aba N Preach whether he identifies as Muslim.Flagrant is a comedy show ...
Timestamp 4:14
This nigga is vile.
