A Somali man returned to Libya under Italian policy sets himself on fire

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I find that so hard to believe, all you have to do is look through the statistics of somali refugee employment rates in Europe to determine the likelyhood of them starting businesses. (And its not very high)
It is easier for them to do it back home. Europe is expensive and there is a lot of bureaucracy and expenses to start a business. They can make change back home it is easier to start a business. Those diasporas have been keeping somalia afloat sending $2billion a month. They are not useless people
 
I find that so hard to believe, all you have to do is look through the statistics of somali refugee employment rates in Europe to determine the likelyhood of them starting businesses. (And its not very high)
Even if you don’t start a business, you can still claim benefits/work a low wage job and have access to good education, healthcare and send money back to relatives.
 

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@Yonis where you dropped as a baby on your 10 inch forehead? You have the same empathy level as a serial killer or ayeeyo basra when her husband left her. Grow the f*ck up and stop casting judgement from your 1 bedroom governmental housing in Shepherds Bush.
 

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A Somali man set himself on fire in a Libyan detention centre on Wednesday, according to fellow detainees and the International Organisation for Migration (IOM).


The man, who is in his late 20s, reportedly doused himself in petrol from a generator in the centre and lit it, after telling friends he had lost hope of being relocated to a safe country.

Sources told The Irish Times the man carried out the action after being told he had little chance of evacuation by visiting officials from the United Nations Refugee Agency (UNHCR). The UNHCR said it was trying to verify this.

IOM spokesman Joel Millman said the detainee had set himself on fire as an “act of protest”.

“He was admitted into the hospital yesterday in Tripoli in the burn centre for intensive medical care. Our medical team visited him and informed the management that they are willing to support if it is needed,” he said.

However, a fellow detainee said he believed the Somali man had died. “All refugees have [a] very bad feeling. Today [we’re] not eating at all because so many people have died.” This would be the eighth death in Triq al Sikka centre this year, according to the detainee.

Tens of thousands of refugees and migrants have been returned to Libya since February 2017, when the country’s UN-backed government entered into a deal with Italy to prevent migration to Europe. Italian politicians have called the deal a success, because it has reduced the number of people arriving on their shores.


Rife with abuse

However, for the men, women and children returned to Libya, the situation is bleak. More than a dozen detainees across Tripoli contacted by phone have described detention centres rife with abuse, where they’re fed once a day at most, forced to work, and sometimes beaten or raped. Overcrowding has led to the spread of infectious diseases like tuberculosis.


Those detained include pregnant women and children of all ages.

Sources in Zintan, a detention centre 180km southwest of Tripoli, said that four detainees have died there within the past month. They say the poor conditions, including a lack of sanitation, have caused or contributed to the deaths.

In Tripoli, detainees in two centres said their families at home are being forced to send money for them to buy food because managers in the Libyan department for combating illegal immigration (DCIM)-run centres say there is no other way for them to eat.
Cross the Mediterranean

Many detainees’ families have already paid ransoms of more than $2,000 to smugglers who held them prisoner, regularly torturing them, before allowing them to attempt to cross the Mediterranean.

One man said the manager in his centre withholds food depending on his mood and whims. “If the leader of the detention centre gets happy by something in his own personal situation he tries to serve us food, if [he] not get happy he tries to stop it.”

In September, the UNHCR updated its policy to say Libya is no longer a safe country to return people to. The organisation is currently registering detainees from countries including Eritrea, Somalia, Sudan and Ethiopia, who cannot return home or are unwilling to because of conflict or fear of persecution. Many are hoping for evacuation from Libya, but the number of resettlement places currently offered by other countries is very limited.



This is a sad situation. But as a Muslim, u cannot kill yourself. God has already guaranteed our sustenance, why kill yourself?? i understand desperadoes but if u have imaaan that should be solved. Never Kill yourself.
 
This is a sad situation. But as a Muslim, u cannot kill yourself. God has already guaranteed our sustenance, why kill yourself?? i understand desperadoes but if u have imaaan that should be solved. Never Kill yourself.
He was probably tortured in Libya and has trauma probably knew his life is over once they force him to go back there. I'm sure god understands his troubles.
 

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He was probably tortured in Libya and has trauma probably knew his life is over once they force him to go back there. I'm sure god understands his troubles.

These people don’t understand mental health nor what people do when they go through a depressive episode, PTSD or any other sort of trauma. As they are Somali they are likely to endure a mental health problem in the future so maybe they will understand then
 

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I find that so hard to believe, all you have to do is look through the statistics of somali refugee employment rates in Europe to determine the likelyhood of them starting businesses. (And its not very high)
There is hope, there is always hope, thats why you see plenty somalis leaving their comfortable western lifestyles to set up businesses in Somalia, In a time when Somalia needs to rebuild from civil war, the last thing the people need to be doing if fucking doing tahriib
Quantify “plenty”.

What are the rates of 1) Western Somalis successfully setting up businesses and 2) what’s their staying power?

If there was actually the infrastructure for such job growth from the “plenty” expats from the diaspora, and the reasons for natives risking everything to leave wasn’t justified, tahrib wouldn’t be as attractive as it is, so you’re negating your argument from both ends.
 

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@Yonis is right, many of these tahriibers receive 3 meals a day and a roof over their head.

They just glamorize the West due to laziness. They wanna eat welfare.

You know it costs $7,000+ to tahriib ?

you can easily start a business with that cash
 

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Arabs; naclad baa kutaala. Everywhere you go in the middle East Arabs torture their guests. The way they treat refugees and their Asian workers is terrible. They've shamed our great religion that preach tolerance and brotherhood.

These Somali detainees in Libya pay approximately $5,000 each and still the backward merciless Arabs in those detention centres withhold food from the detainees. Cadaabta ilaahay idinku aruuri.
 

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However, for the men, women and children returned to Libya, the situation is bleak. More than a dozen detainees across Tripoli contacted by phone have described detention centres rife with abuse, where they’re fed once a day at most, forced to work, and sometimes beaten or raped. Overcrowding has led to the spread of infectious diseases like tuberculosis.

Yikes, that's horrible. I know most try to tahriib to take care of family and elders but tahriib isn't worth the risk.
 
Honestly i have no sympathy for all the somalis who tahriib. f*ck them, if you cannot appreciate the blessing of staying in your fatherland then i don't care what happens to you.

They knew the risk and still took it. How can I feel sorry for them when they weighed up the odds and still went.
 
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