Agnostic. The existence of a divine being can't really be known, its entirely based on faith.
Not faith, but logical reasoning.
Agnostic. The existence of a divine being can't really be known, its entirely based on faith.
Not faith, but logical reasoning.
I disagree, especially for the Abrahamic god.
Because there's just no evidence for it. For example, according to islam humans are descended from Adam and eve. Adam was created from "dust" and Eve from his rib (strongly contradicts modern evolutionary theory). Noah built a boat and put all the animals in the world in it simultaneously (penguins, polar bears, lions and kangaroos), jews were apparently enslaved in Egypt and freed by Moses (most historians consider this to be bs since the Egyptians never mentioned enslaved jews in their society) along with other stories in the scriptures considered to be true events.
None of that stuff sounds logical at all as all of the modern evidence is against it. That's why I say its based on faith. Due to criticism of christianity in the west the catholic church have changed their interpretation of the bible numerous times and they accepted the theory of evolution in the 50s. Alot of bishops also believe these stories to be metaphors, but muslims can't say that because they believe that the quran is the direct word of god (spoken to mohamed through jibriil) as such all these stories are accepted as fact by the Ulema. So its not really based on logical reasoning.
That’s interesting but I was questioning why you were agnostic not why you don’t believe in Abrahamic religions. Why is it illogical to believe in a divine being?
Sorry I misunderstood you. I don't think it can be determined logically, well not yet anyway. There is just too much we don't know
It can be determined logically: The universe was created, as stated by science, therefore it needs a creator. This creator had to be the first cause due to the problem of infinite regress.
Therefore, a creator who is more superior to his creations does exist.
yeah because "theories" means factsBecause there's just no evidence for it. For example, according to islam humans are descended from Adam and eve. Adam was created from "dust" and Eve from his rib (strongly contradicts modern evolutionary theory). Noah built a boat and put all the animals in the world in it simultaneously (penguins, polar bears, lions and kangaroos), jews were apparently enslaved in Egypt and freed by Moses (most historians consider this to be bs since the Egyptians never mentioned enslaved jews in their society) along with other stories in the scriptures considered to be true events.
None of that stuff sounds logical at all as all of the modern evidence is against it. That's why I say its based on faith. Due to criticism of christianity in the west the catholic church have changed their interpretation of the bible numerous times and they accepted the theory of evolution in the 50s. Alot of bishops also believe these stories to be metaphors, but muslims can't say that because they believe that the quran is the direct word of god (spoken to mohamed through jibriil) as such all these stories are accepted as fact by the Ulema. So its not really based on logical reasoning.
and you seem to believe that the universe came out of nowhereYour logic is based on the assumptions that the universe needs a creator and that this creator is singular. How come?
and you seem to believe that the universe came out of nowhere
They are not facts but ask yourself this, if god created the earth, then when we study the earth and its history shouldn't we see evidence of his existence? This was one of the driving principles of philosophers and scientists in the islamic golden age. So far all of the evidences collected in the natural sciences LITERALLY supports the theory of evolution. Either its a massive coincidence, or god planted human-like transitional fossils in the ground to test our imaanyeah because "theories" means facts
Your logic is based on the assumptions that the universe needs a creator and that this creator is singular. How come?
The universe began to exist therefore it means something greater than it caused it to exist AKA a creator.
And it’s logical the creator is singular because multiple creators would mean power isnt concentrated. If power isn’t concentrated then those mini creators still need a creator which brings about the problem of infinite regress.
You missed my point, why does the fact that the universe began have to mean that a greater being created it? How do you come to that conclusion?
Also the problem of infinite regress doesn't address the existence of multiple creators, rather wether the creator itself has a creator. There can be multiple uncreated creators and infinite regress won't be a problem.
Uh logically, if something is created, the creator is more supreme than it’s creation otherwise it wouldn’t be able to create it.
If you’re asking how do we know there is a creator of the universe, then it’s because the universe isn’t infinite, so it had a starting point. This starting point would mean it came into existence, which suggests something caused it to happen. This cause of the universe has to be the first cause due to infinite regress.
And there cannot be multiple uncreated creators because these creators would have to be the first cause and the word first and multiple are mutually exclusive. And as a result this would suggest these multiple creators were created.
We can’t proof the existence of a creator, however with reason, it suggests that a singular divine being exists, walaal.