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The Roman capital Constantinople is todays Istanbul. Russia claimed Rome after Constantinople was sacked by the ottomans
5 countries mentioned in the Quran
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my problem is- I don't think a Muslim empire can count as a continuation of a Christian/pagan empire. religion is more important even than blood. Muslim and Hindu South Asians are fundamentally different people even if they have the exact same DNA. therefore, I think it's impossible for Turkey to be the Romans. I think Italy and Spain are closer to the Romans.
I can read the script and I am learning vocabulary but I can't understand Arabic... can you summarize what he's saying?
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He says, only six villains are mentioned in the Quran by their names:
Abu Lahab, from the Arabian peninsula.
Jalut(Goliath) who was a ruler in a land between Palestine and Egypt and four Egyptians:
A King: Pharaoh
A Minister: Hamman
A businessman: Qaar'oon
And an artist: Saamiri
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Yeah, I think so, he lives in Turkey
Only two actual Egyptians though, Qaron and Samiri were Israelites.
His animated hyperbole about 99% of worlds evil being in Egypt and the other 1% touring the world and spending the night in egypt was pretty funny
Khaem
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Why do people think when the books talk about Ethiopia they think about the modern country.
Ethiopia referred to either all of blanc Africa or just modern Sudan.
When you see a mention of Ethiopia in the books it is talking about Sudan. If they mean the modern country they will say abyssinnia or something like that.
Only reason those guys changed the name is because the country's old name Abyssinia meant land of habasha and obviously the empire back in the 50s & 60s is at least half non-Ethio semite.
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@Omar del Sur @Greattragedy
وإذ قال إبراهيم لأبيه آزر
And (remember) when Ibrahim said to his father Azar: "Do you take idols as gods!''
He is wrong, more than six wrongdoers were mentioned in the Quran by their name
وإذ قال إبراهيم لأبيه آزر
And (remember) when Ibrahim said to his father Azar: "Do you take idols as gods!''
He is wrong, more than six wrongdoers were mentioned in the Quran by their name
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Italy is Rome because they were the founders of the empire and it was centered around Italy. Nearly all of the roman emperors and men we read about are Italian origin.
Russia claims Rome, more specifically Eastern Rome, as after byzantium was conquered by muslim turks the mantle of orthodoxy and the byzantine legacy was handed to the Russians.
Turkey claims to be the inheritors of Rome through right of conquest as they conquered Eastern Rome and took the capital constantinople.
Only claim I support is Italy since they were where the empire started and nearly all the emperor's, consuls, generals were of Italian blood. Whilst other roman territories were carved up into provinces, Italy was considered the center of the empire and was not divided into seperate
Hamzza
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What about the Greeks? The Rum of the Quran is the Eastern Roman Empire based in Constantinople and most of its rulers were Greek if I'm not mistaken as was the official language of the empire.
Khaem
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Yeah the empire was split between the Latin speaking catholic west, and the Greek speaking orthodox east. That is the division between the western roman empire and the Eastern one.
The term byzantine only came about after the east fell to the ottomans by the western scholars to try downplay the orthodox Greek's claim to be Rome's successor. The name byzantine is the old name of the city before it became the capital of the east and renamed Constantinople after the emperor who converted Rome to Christianity and divided the empire, Constantine. The Greek speaking east never called themselves byzantines, they only knew themselves as Romans. They were the direct unbroken line from Rome unlike the west that feel to barbarian germanic tribes. The downplaying of the east by western scholars has been a long time thing since the renaissance and has only been stopping in recent times.
The only two countries I can see as the true successors to Rome are Italy and Greece.
The Melkite Christians in the levant still call themselves Rum in Arabic and Greek in English.
people honestly just need to be wary of ikhwanis. this guy lives in Turkey if I'm not mistaken. I am sure he loves Morsi and froths at the mouth against MBS and Sisi. I'm not making any statement here for or against any of those people but I'm just saying- I'm 99% sure this is one of the ikhwani people.
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Who said they weren't??? I am certainly no racist (and Italians are certainly not "whites")
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closest modern continuation of Rome is Italy then Spain.
Italian and Spanish are basically like dialects of Latin. Italy and Spain are historically, genetically, religiously, linguistically descendants of Rome.
however, when the hadith discuss Rome towards the end times, this is Rome in a more general sense which refers to Europeans/white people.
Khaem
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Yeah french is a bit unique but italians and spanish/Portuguese could probably understand you somewhat if you were to speak Latin to them. Only reason they are considered different languages is because of political divides, they each have seperate identities so consider their language seperate as well but do acknowledge their shared Latin past.
Compare this to Arabic which has speakers who barley understand each other in extreme cases but they consider themselves to be speaking one language simply because of the common Arab identity. If western Europe still had a shared Latin/roman identity we would instead be calling Italian language "Italian Latin" or "French Latin" ect.
Rome split into two and because 2 entities almost. The greeks have all the claim to the legacy of the east and orthodoxy whilst Italy and later Spain can claim the legacy of the west and Catholicism. Rome in Italy is the seat of the Catholic Church still lol.
imo Italian and Spanish are closest to Latin then Portugese then French. I meet people from Brazil all the time. I talk to them in Spanish, they respond in Portugese and we can pretty much understand each other. but they have a weird pronounciation that is different from how Latin, Italian and Spanish are pronounced. but I can still understand a lot of what they're saying. with French- I can look at written French and understand a lot of it... you can see the Latin base if you look at the actual spelling. but their pronounciation is... way different.
anyways- I could be wrong here because I'm just guessing but I think Romans spoke Latin and then later expanded East. Didn't Caesar and Cicero all speak Latin? so I think Latin is more Roman than Greek is.
