27 Facts about Somali history and culture

[Caaro]

1: We was known as the (macrobians) the average person from the kingdom lived to 120 years old.

we chained our prisoners in gold they described us as “Tallest and handsomest of all men” we practiced the same body embalming as the ancient Egyptians. Search> (Macrobians)

2: We have one of the oldest civilisations in the world it’s known as (Land of Punt) the ancient Egyptians called it land of their gods and ancestors. We traded from a ancient somali city called (Opone) we sold (myrrh) which is a ancient medicine. The Greeks and ancient Egyptians used to trade with us. We Somalis built ancient boats and vessels like the (Beden vessel). Upper Egypt spoke Cushitic languages and were Cushitic people them statues and paintings are us. Search >(Kerma culture)

3: We somalis had the (ajuran sultanate) which was a hydraulic empire only a few ever existed in the world that’s how clever we are search > (hydraulic empires)

4: We are the first African nation to defeat European superpowers at sea in navel warfare go search (ajuraan sultanate)⛵️

5: Somalis kicked the Portuguese Empire out of Kenya,Tanzania,Malawi,Mozambique,Yemen. The Portuguese colonised Iran Oman ,India ,parts of Gulf arabs, Thailand and many more but not Somalia because our navy was superior and kicked them out the Indian Ocean . Search> (Portuguese empire) search>(Ajuraan Sultanate)

Search>(Somalia and Yemen relations) search>(Somalia and Turkey relations) ⛵️

6: (Ahmed Yusuf gabroon )From the Somali (Geledi Sultanate) invaded Zanzibar islands in Tanzania. He took it from the omanis and massacred all the Arabs and taxed their Arab king in Kenya basically pay tribute or die he freed the Bantu slaves Search > (Ahmed Yusuf Gabroon)

7: Somalis never got enslaved because of our hostility and warrior culture.

8: Somalis ruled Maldive islands in Asia near India search> (abd al aziz of Mogadishu) ⛵️

9: Somalis had colonies in Mozambique go search> (nova Sofala) ⛵️

10: Portuguese colonised Yemen and Somalis from the (Ajuran sultanate) liberated Yemen and kicked the Portuguese out of Aden and other provinces of Yemen. Search> (somali and Yemen relations)-(Portuguese empire)⛵️

11: Search >(Gulf of Aden) it was Called (Gulf of Berbera) in ancient times it was named after the northern somali city. The English changed the name to Gulf of Aden during the colonial era ⛵️

12: Search> (Maritime history of Somalia) Somalia in the medieval period possessed the largest merchant fleet in the Muslim world we dominated the Indian Ocean somalis got rich of the Indian Ocean trade we sold spices from India triple the price to Europeans and we never told them it came from India search> (Somalis in India).⛵️

13: search> (Sa’id of Mogadishu) he was a somali traveller during the medieval era the first African ambassador in china. He went before (ibin battuta) he the oldest African scholar abroad and traveler we built relations with the dynasty’s of China 500 years ago but our relations go back to the (Land of punt) 25th century BC

14: search> (battle of Mogadishu 1993 ) America came to Somalia and only lasted 1day we dragged their bodies tied to back of cars in the streets of Mogadishu. They even made a movie about us it’s called (Black hawk down)

15: Somalia in the 70s and 80s. Mogadishu was known as the richest city in Africa Somalia was nicknamed Switzerland of Africa our military was the strongest

16: We have the longest coast in mainland Africa we inhabit 3 seas our forefathers were brave warriors and our population was like 1-2 million nomads back then

17: There’s a Ukrainian army unit who fought the Russians Called ( Somalia Battalion) they named it because somalis are fearless.

18: search>(dervish state) leader was Mohamed Abdallah Hassan also known as the mad mullah. We fended of colonial powers for more than 20 years and repulsed the English and forced them to retreat 4 times. Then they used airplanes for the first time on a African country.

19: The Detention of SOMALI is SOOMAL which means =Go Milk. And it also means wealthy. search> (Nomadic Pastoralism). The First picture you see is a Somali Camel trader

20: Somalia grows and produces 82% of the worlds (frankincense) this is used for and incense and perfume we introduced this to Arabs and Persians all the way to China and India. Somalis were amongst the first to domesticate camels and Somalia has the largest population of camels. Search> (Uunsi) (Dabqaad) (Myrrh) (Camels) Our Ethiopian neighbours introduced (coffee) to the world. These things are all originate in �� please go search!!!

21: Somalis from the (adal sultanate) and (ajuran sultanate) used to recruit Arab soldiers to fight against the (Axum Empire) and Ethiopian empire which controlled Yemen +Saudi Arabia. search> (Kingdom of Axum) search>(Year of the elephant)

Search>(Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Ghazi)

Search>(Adal Sultanate).

( Abyssinian–Adal wars)

(Abyssinian-Persian wars)

22: We pirate big ships with small boats as far as India to Arabia to South Africa and ransom them millions.⛵️

23: search (Fuzzy wuzzy) and look what our Cushitic brothers did to the British

24: The oldest mosques in the world After Mecca are all in Somalia, Eritrea,Ethiopia we didn’t become Muslim by force or war the prophet escaped prosecution from the pagans of Mecca and fled to (Axum empire)which was a Ethiopian empire that controlled and occupied Yemen and Saudi Arabia and a Ethiopian king protected him. We was Muslim before 99% of Arabs. > (The first Muslim migration) (List of oldest mosques in the world)

25: Somalia never got conquered by Arabs they only conquered North Africa and Middle East. We somalis kept our language and culture genetics intact north to south we speak somali. Somali is a one tribe we are one people one culture one religion one language and same origins we inhabit northern Kenya +eastern Ethiopia+ Djibouti search> (Arabisation)

Search> (Somalis)

26: search> (recent African origin in modern humans) humans originated in Somalia+Ethiopia+Eritrea+Djibouti. Search>(Lucy fossils)in the afar region of Ethiopia is the oldest ever human bones. Somalia have the one of the oldest cave paintings in the world dating back to 3000BC search>(Laasgeel) we are ancient and indigenous to Africa search>(Azania) and (Luxmanda) we are (Cushitic people) we inhabit Somalia,Eritrea,Ethiopia,Djibouti, eastern Sudan. We are more indigenous than the bantu people of East Africa. We used to inhabit these land before the (Bantu expansion)

27:Our DNA haplogroup from Somalia is (e1b1b) this DNA is found all over Europe and North Africa especially amongst Berbers its also found in the Middle East because of the first human migrations. Somalis have 100% E1B1B DNA frequency it’s found in lower percentages around the world most people have 0-30% because we are the first people to migrate out of Africa. The first humans originated in the Horn of Africa Somalis have other types of haplogroup too

Search>(E1b1b distribution)

Search> (Guiseppe Sergi)

Search>(Hamites)

 

[BetterDaysAhead]

@Grant whats so funny?

 

[Caaro]

The Ajuran Sultanate of the Horn of Africa was the only hydraulic empire in Africa, apart from Ancient Egypt. A hydraulic empire that rose in the 13th century AD, Ajuran monopolized the water resources of the Jubba and Shebelle Rivers. Through hydraulic engineering, it also constructed many of the limestone wells and cisterns of the state that are still operative and in use today. Its rulers developed new systems for agriculture and taxation, which continued to be used in parts of the Horn of Africa as late as the 19th century

More on Hydraulic empires ^^

Somalis also had strong relations with the ottomans in trade and military coalitions. One of the reasons why Turkey is a supporter of SOmalia to date (Probably not the main reason though).

Relations between the present-day territories of Somalia and Turkey date back to the Middle Ages. The Ajuran Empire and Adal Sultanate maintained good trade and military relations with the Ottoman Empire. The Ajuran Empire received assistance from Ottomans, and with the import of firearms through the Muzzaffar port of Mogadishu, the army began acquiring muskets and cannons. The Ottomans would also remain a key ally during the Ajuran-Portuguese wars.

Somalia and Turkey relations reached a peak after they formed an alliance to take on the portuguese in africa. As Somalis felt pity for the nations under Portuguese control. We also had one of the strongest navies at the time on par with the Europeans and controleed many trade routes to India and China

Over the course of the 16th century, Somali-Portuguese tensions would remain high and the increased contact between Somali sailors and Ottoman corsairs worried the Portuguese who sent a punitive expedition against Mogadishu under João de Sepúvelda but was soundly defeated by the Ajuran naval forces before they reached capital city and João de Sepúvelda was eventually killed in the battle.[2] Ottoman-Somali cooperation against the Portuguese in the Indian Ocean reached a high point in the 1580s when Ajuran clients of the Somali coastal cities began to sympathize with the Arabs and Swahilis under Portuguese rule and sent an envoy to the Turkish corsair Mir Ali Beg for a joint expedition against the Portuguese. He agreed and was joined by a large Somali fleet, which began attacking Portuguese colonies in Southeast Africa.

We ended up bullying the Portuguese out of the indian ocean while freeing many coastal cities in East Africa and turned the ottomans into more than just military allies.

The Somali-Ottoman offensive managed to drive out the Portuguese from several important cities such as Pate, Mombasa and Kilwa and remove the Portuguese influence within the Indian Ocean. The Ajuran's Somali forces would eventually militarily defeat the Portuguese. The Ottoman Empire would also remain an economic partner of the Somalis. Throughout the 16th and 17th centuries, successive Ajuran Empire defied the Portuguese economic monopoly in the Indian Ocean by employing a new coinage which followed the Ottoman pattern, thus proclaiming an attitude of economic independence in regard to the Portuguese

 

[Grant]

@Grant whats so funny?

The worst of that is from Wikipedia, which has been extensively falsified. The Piracy and Blackhawk Down issues are limited to certain clans and are considered less than honorable in many circles. All in all, I find the post hilariously exaggerated, misguided and generally false, a series of major historical fails.

As an example, "hydraulic empire" just means the Ajuraan taxed the water from the Shabelle. Strictly pastoral, the Ajuraan never had ships and lost everything when they tried to "empire it" over the Biimaal and the Geledi/Wacdaan. The Geledi lost everything when they tried to "empire it" over the Biimaal and the Benaadir. Neither was ever an "empire" in any real sense. Neither ever had a port or ships. Neither Yusuf nor Ahmad of Geledi ever got to Lamu or Zanzibar or lorded it over the Omanis. By Osman's time, the Geledi were done. The Somali ports were always simple entrepots. Look it up. Give up what is due the Biimaal, who prevented a single power from ruling the South.

What is seriously sad, though, is that folks think they need to find or create stuff like BoqorkaChess' post to brag about when the truth is quite enough. Read Luling, Cassanelli, Reese, etc. for the real deal. Otherwise you are just going to get laughed at. Look at the lack of response to Boqorka. Lots of folks already know to check the sources over at Wiki, which has become a bad joke.

 

[pablo]

The worst of that is from Wikipedia, which has been extensively falsified. The Piracy and Blackhawk Down issues are limited to certain clans and are considered less than honorable in many circles. All in all, I find the post hilariously exaggerated, misguided and generally false, a series of major historical fails.

As an example, "hydraulic empire" just means the Ajuraan taxed the water from the Shabelle. Strictly pastoral, the Ajuraan never had ships and lost everything when they tried to "empire it" over the Biimaal and the Geledi/Wacdaan. The Geledi lost everything when they tried to "empire it" over the Biimaal and the Benaadir. Neither was ever an "empire" in any real sense. Neither ever had a port or ships. Neither Yusuf nor Ahmad of Geledi ever got to Lamu or Zanzibar or lorded it over the Omanis. By Osman's time, the Geledi were done. The Somali ports were always simple entrepots. Look it up. Give up what is due the Biimaal, who prevented a single power from ruling the South.

What is seriously sad, though, is that folks think they need to find or create stuff like BoqorkaChess' post to brag about when the truth is quite enough. Read Luling, Cassanelli, Reese, etc. for the real deal. Otherwise you are just going to get laughed at. Look at the lack of response to Boqorka. Lots of folks already know to check the sources over at Wiki, which has become a bad joke.

What do those men say?

 

[Grant]

What do those men say?

Look them up. Get the books. I have posted links all over the place. Some are online, but some you just have to buy. There is no magic bullet or single source for Somali history.

 

[psyche]

The worst of that is from Wikipedia, which has been extensively falsified. The Piracy and Blackhawk Down issues are limited to certain clans and are considered less than honorable in many circles. All in all, I find the post hilariously exaggerated, misguided and generally false, a series of major historical fails.

As an example, "hydraulic empire" just means the Ajuraan taxed the water from the Shabelle. Strictly pastoral, the Ajuraan never had ships and lost everything when they tried to "empire it" over the Biimaal and the Geledi/Wacdaan. The Geledi lost everything when they tried to "empire it" over the Biimaal and the Benaadir. Neither was ever an "empire" in any real sense. Neither ever had a port or ships. Neither Yusuf nor Ahmad of Geledi ever got to Lamu or Zanzibar or lorded it over the Omanis. By Osman's time, the Geledi were done. The Somali ports were always simple entrepots. Look it up. Give up what is due the Biimaal, who prevented a single power from ruling the South.

What is seriously sad, though, is that folks think they need to find or create stuff like BoqorkaChess' post to brag about when the truth is quite enough. Read Luling, Cassanelli, Reese, etc. for the real deal. Otherwise you are just going to get laughed at. Look at the lack of response to Boqorka. Lots of folks already know to check the sources over at Wiki, which has become a bad joke.

Grant spitting facts like usual.

It's good to have a foreigner to converse with because Somalis like any other ethnic group are prone to vested interest.

Unfortunately the reality of Somali history is that it's rife with internal warfare's between clans that made creating a successful civilization near impossible.

 

[Advokaten]

The worst of that is from Wikipedia, which has been extensively falsified. The Piracy and Blackhawk Down issues are limited to certain clans and are considered less than honorable in many circles. All in all, I find the post hilariously exaggerated, misguided and generally false, a series of major historical fails.

As an example, "hydraulic empire" just means the Ajuraan taxed the water from the Shabelle. Strictly pastoral, the Ajuraan never had ships and lost everything when they tried to "empire it" over the Biimaal and the Geledi/Wacdaan. The Geledi lost everything when they tried to "empire it" over the Biimaal and the Benaadir. Neither was ever an "empire" in any real sense. Neither ever had a port or ships. Neither Yusuf nor Ahmad of Geledi ever got to Lamu or Zanzibar or lorded it over the Omanis. By Osman's time, the Geledi were done. The Somali ports were always simple entrepots. Look it up. Give up what is due the Biimaal, who prevented a single power from ruling the South.

What is seriously sad, though, is that folks think they need to find or create stuff like BoqorkaChess' post to brag about when the truth is quite enough. Read Luling, Cassanelli, Reese, etc. for the real deal. Otherwise you are just going to get laughed at. Look at the lack of response to Boqorka. Lots of folks already know to check the sources over at Wiki, which has become a bad joke.

We dont need any information from you, Son of mennonite farmers. We already know our culture orally in a way you will never do you, who do you think you are to come her and behave like you know our culture better then us?

 

[Ace the shank]

my dude many errors first the karma culture was Nubian culture we weren't Nubians

 

[Caaro]

The worst of that is from Wikipedia, which has been extensively falsified. The Piracy and Blackhawk Down issues are limited to certain clans and are considered less than honorable in many circles. All in all, I find the post hilariously exaggerated, misguided and generally false, a series of major historical fails.

As an example, "hydraulic empire" just means the Ajuraan taxed the water from the Shabelle. Strictly pastoral, the Ajuraan never had ships and lost everything when they tried to "empire it" over the Biimaal and the Geledi/Wacdaan. The Geledi lost everything when they tried to "empire it" over the Biimaal and the Benaadir. Neither was ever an "empire" in any real sense. Neither ever had a port or ships. Neither Yusuf nor Ahmad of Geledi ever got to Lamu or Zanzibar or lorded it over the Omanis. By Osman's time, the Geledi were done. The Somali ports were always simple entrepots. Look it up. Give up what is due the Biimaal, who prevented a single power from ruling the South.

What is seriously sad, though, is that folks think they need to find or create stuff like BoqorkaChess' post to brag about when the truth is quite enough. Read Luling, Cassanelli, Reese, etc. for the real deal. Otherwise you are just going to get laughed at. Look at the lack of response to Boqorka. Lots of folks already know to check the sources over at Wiki, which has become a bad joke.

Ok you talk about literally 2 or 3 about the 27 points I made. That doesn’t mean what I said was incredible. If you don’t completely believe some of the examples I made, then fine. But don’t act like EVERYTHING I said was bullcrap

Grant spitting facts like usual.

It's good to have a foreigner to converse with because Somalis like any other ethnic group are prone to vested interest.

Unfortunately the reality of Somali history is that it's rife with internal warfare's between clans that made creating a successful civilization near impossible.

And you, You didn’t even try to refute what he said. You’re so quick to discredit Somali history that you’re just gonna believe anything that someone says in response. I’m 99% sure you didn’t even go and fact check for yourself. This dude Grant only said that the claims I made were “false”. Yeah ok, how was it false?
“As an example, "hydraulic empire" just means the Ajuraan taxed the water from the Shabelle.” how does that disprove anything tf

Who cares if “other circles” think piracy and black hawk operations were “less than honourable”. You know what else is less than honourable? Illegally fishing and traversing in owned waters. Only westerners consider these pirates bad, because it stops them from abusing Somalis. Most somalis, especially the locals, see them as coast guards.

You literally handpicked a few tiny excerpts and even then what you said made no sense, they either didn’t contradict me, or they’re from your personal viewpoint.

 

[Slickster]

The worst of that is from Wikipedia, which has been extensively falsified. The Piracy and Blackhawk Down issues are limited to certain clans and are considered less than honorable in many circles. All in all, I find the post hilariously exaggerated, misguided and generally false, a series of major historical fails.

As an example, "hydraulic empire" just means the Ajuraan taxed the water from the Shabelle. Strictly pastoral, the Ajuraan never had ships and lost everything when they tried to "empire it" over the Biimaal and the Geledi/Wacdaan. The Geledi lost everything when they tried to "empire it" over the Biimaal and the Benaadir. Neither was ever an "empire" in any real sense. Neither ever had a port or ships. Neither Yusuf nor Ahmad of Geledi ever got to Lamu or Zanzibar or lorded it over the Omanis. By Osman's time, the Geledi were done. The Somali ports were always simple entrepots. Look it up. Give up what is due the Biimaal, who prevented a single power from ruling the South.

What is seriously sad, though, is that folks think they need to find or create stuff like BoqorkaChess' post to brag about when the truth is quite enough. Read Luling, Cassanelli, Reese, etc. for the real deal. Otherwise you are just going to get laughed at. Look at the lack of response to Boqorka. Lots of folks already know to check the sources over at Wiki, which has become a bad joke.

Right on, Grant.

 

[Pipit]

The worst of that is from Wikipedia, which has been extensively falsified. The Piracy and Blackhawk Down issues are limited to certain clans and are considered less than honorable in many circles. All in all, I find the post hilariously exaggerated, misguided and generally false, a series of major historical fails.

As an example, "hydraulic empire" just means the Ajuraan taxed the water from the Shabelle. Strictly pastoral, the Ajuraan never had ships and lost everything when they tried to "empire it" over the Biimaal and the Geledi/Wacdaan. The Geledi lost everything when they tried to "empire it" over the Biimaal and the Benaadir. Neither was ever an "empire" in any real sense. Neither ever had a port or ships. Neither Yusuf nor Ahmad of Geledi ever got to Lamu or Zanzibar or lorded it over the Omanis. By Osman's time, the Geledi were done. The Somali ports were always simple entrepots. Look it up. Give up what is due the Biimaal, who prevented a single power from ruling the South.

What is seriously sad, though, is that folks think they need to find or create stuff like BoqorkaChess' post to brag about when the truth is quite enough. Read Luling, Cassanelli, Reese, etc. for the real deal. Otherwise you are just going to get laughed at. Look at the lack of response to Boqorka. Lots of folks already know to check the sources over at Wiki, which has become a bad joke.

Everything you said was kinda depressing

Do you know any other authors besides Luling, Cassanelli/Cerulli and Scott Reese that go in detail about southern somali history?

 

[Grant]

Everything you said was kinda depressing

Do you know any other authors besides Luling, Cassanelli/Cerulli and Scott Reese that go in detail about southern somali history?

The Invention of Somalia, edited by Ali Jimale Ahmed, 1995

Identities on the Move, by Gunther Schlee, 1989

Unraveling Somalia, by Catherine Besteman, 1999

Historical Dictionary of Somalia, by Mohamed Haji Mukhtar, New Edition, 2003.

Somalia, Nation in Search of a State, By David D. Laitin and Said S. Samatar, 1987

Portuguese Rule and Spanish Crown in South Africa 1581-1640, by Sidney R, Welch, 1950

The Bantu-Madow Somalis, by Mohamed A. Eno, 2008

Swahili Origins, by James de Vere Allen, 1993

Making sense of Somali History, in two volumes, by Abdurahman Abdullahi (Baadiyow).
(Baadiyow has some lucid moments but makes so many silly mistakes you have to be very careful checking his sources. He says the Circumnavigation was written by a person called the Red Sea, confuses Mir Ali Bey with Suleiman the Magnificent and creates a story for the 1580s that is pure fantasy. Be aware!)

Wikipedia is useless and has contaminated most of the encyclopedias and fast online sources. Always go back to the original sources.

 

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[Pipit]

(Baadiyow creates a story for the 1580s that is pure fantasy. Be aware!)

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