So since you believe these manuscripts regarding Xamar, do you believe the part where it says the Ummayads came to Xamar and conquered it and had governors across the Swahili coast?
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Hawiyas who were part of the wider Somali networks dominated the Shabelle river and farmed both sides of it along with the Raxenweyne. They followed the Shabelle down until they hit the coast which had red soil and hills. They named it Xamar after those red hills. Most of the economic export activity was in Harar, Zeila and most importantly Berbera. Eventually the intertropical convergence zone brought sail boats from India and Asia towards the eastern coast of Africa just as they had come to Madagascar (see malagasay in Madagascar and their Asian admixture). Some of these immigrants brought food and clothing influences as India was a textile powerhouse powered by samosas and Bismati rice. Eventually some of the Somalis explored the world as well (see said of mogidhsu, the red turban wearing Africans in the Indian courts, and proto somali linguistics influence in old Swahili). As these Somalis were returning to Xamar they needed a landmark so they nicknamed the city Muqdi(in this context meaning Foggy as there was fog from the cold ocean water meeting the morning star) Dishu meaning end of as the river shebelle and the ITCZ bring air towards this particular foggy zone allowing Xamar to appear where Merka and other coastal communities were obscured by fog. The Indian Ocean trade that spanned 1100-1700 till when the Portuguese messed everything up had Muslims in Egypt, Somalia, and Indonesia controlling the important waterways.
Proof;
-See the pre Islamic graves that followed other Somali graves appearing before the 1200s which is when the Reer Xamar graves are dated to.
-every writer that actually visited such as the chinaman that lost the war with the Persians and was enslaved until he left to the Arab traders in the area and even Greek travelers all describe pastoral people that constituted a majority in a coast where other Somalis would just kill all visitors; Only Berbera zeila and Xamar(mogdishu) were the trading zones allowed.
-Genetic admixture of Reer Cadcads/Xamar being limited to just one community on the coast, along with proto Somali influence on greater Swahili linguistics, see this paper;https://langsci-press.org/catalog/view/192/1510/1623-1
Proof;
-See the pre Islamic graves that followed other Somali graves appearing before the 1200s which is when the Reer Xamar graves are dated to.
-every writer that actually visited such as the chinaman that lost the war with the Persians and was enslaved until he left to the Arab traders in the area and even Greek travelers all describe pastoral people that constituted a majority in a coast where other Somalis would just kill all visitors; Only Berbera zeila and Xamar(mogdishu) were the trading zones allowed.
-Genetic admixture of Reer Cadcads/Xamar being limited to just one community on the coast, along with proto Somali influence on greater Swahili linguistics, see this paper;https://langsci-press.org/catalog/view/192/1510/1623-1
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Saleh
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no because there exists many sources documenting the umayyad conquests and somalia is not included. this is not the case with their claims regarding himyar however, and it is known that they had a presence in east africa so it isnt far fetched for me
Saleh
Community Mentor
even the person you are quoting in your debunk agrees with me
"It's not reliable at all.
Its useful for Xamar and reer Xamar history though"
cunug3aad
3rdchild · Balaayo lugo daadheer
Then beside this one oral tale shariif collected is there any aditional sources on any himyar somali contact. Like written or any corroborating oral tales. That would be more convincing
U ignored the other guys and u focused on that arabist guy
Nothing at all, no direct primary evidence (like inscriptions or contemporary records) says “The Himyarites ruled Sarapion.” However, some historians argue that Himyarite influence in the Horn of Africa, mainly via commercial dominance rather than formal annexation. Archaeological finds along the Somali coast (South Arabian pottery, inscriptions) suggest contact, but not confirmed political control.
cunug3aad
3rdchild · Balaayo lugo daadheer
(This does make sense if we are to take the theory that ancient somalis related to those who set up early ancient egypt were a competent people and engaged in trade rather than submission) but i shall leave hotep in its hotep thread.
So the manuscript is filled with fiction, but yet you believe their claims regarding the Himyar? You realize the text tries to connect Islamic history with the Arab migration to Africa just as it did with the supposed claims of Ummayad rule in the region.
They don't just say any Himyar they say that the founder of Xamar was the Tubba mentioned in the Quran. The same one who in Ibn Kathir's tafsir is described as going on a journey of conquest before being told to return to Yemen by two rabbis. And the manuscript claims it was with these two rabbis that he founded Xamar, and then Mombasa and Kilwa and the entire Swahili coast. Do you actually believe this nonsense?
Tafsir Surah Ad-Dukhan - 37 - Quran.com
Read Ibn Kathir (Abridged) for Ayah 37 of Surah Ad-Dukhan
quran.com
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