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[Guure⁸]

The possible etymology could be مقعد شاة
Is the place were sheep are found bc muqdisho meel Dakad bay waligeed ahyd o xoolaha ba laga dhoofin jiray

 

[Nur_]

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[cunug3aad]

The possible etymology could be مقعد شاة
Is the place were sheep are found bc muqdisho meel Dakad bay waligeed ahyd o xoolaha ba laga dhoofin jiray

قعد usually refer to actuall sitting down, if translated to somali thats closer to something like Laxfariis which not necessarily meaning there found there. That would be more like دار شاء daarsha or something. Idk man i just have little gripes about these arabic etymologies

 

[Guure⁸]

قعد usually refer to actuall sitting down, if translated to somali thats closer to something like Laxfariis which not necessarily meaning there found there. That would be more like دار شاء daarsha or something. Idk man i just have little gripes about these arabic etymologies

You are right but it's used for bases too so it means the base of the sheep

 

[NordicSomali]

There are 2 sources for the claim.

 

[Saleh]

This is actually plausible. According to sharif aydrus xamar was ruled by the himyarites 2000 ish years ago, and the himyarites were jewish

 

[Shimbiris]

I told y'all. Call it quits and start identifying as Sudani or Ethiopian. We have been earmarked for Greater Israel.

 

[novanova]

opp behaviour.

 

[Saleh]

Sharif is a laangaab with no history

He is one of many sources claiming this, but i cite him because he actually lived in xamar. It is also mentioned in kitab al zunuj and kawkab al duriya li akhbar ifriqiya. Read the azanian trio, it compiles all these sources and constructs a coherent story on the founding of the city states on the somali and swahili coasts

 

[Guure⁸]

He is one of many sources claiming this, but i cite him because he actually lived in xamar. It is also mentioned in kitab al zunuj and kawkab al duriya li akhbar ifriqiya. Read the azanian trio, it compiles all these sources and constructs a coherent story on the founding of the city states on the somali and swahili coasts

Nga don't u get tired from this? Qof weyn ba tahay nio ilaahey camal waydiso instead of trolling 24/7

 

[Saleh]

Nga don't u get tired from this? Qof weyn ba tahay nio ilaahey camal waydiso instead of trolling 24/7

im not trolling, these are just my beliefs based on the books I have read on these topics. it actually takes courage to constantly go against the majority opinion in the name of truth

 

[novanova]

He is one of many sources claiming this, but i cite him because he actually lived in xamar. It is also mentioned in kitab al zunuj and kawkab al duriya li akhbar ifriqiya. Read the azanian trio, it compiles all these sources and constructs a coherent story on the founding of the city states on the somali and swahili coasts

kkkkkkkkkkkkkk I know u know its been debunked many times, I respect ur dedication to spreading misinformation though, ahlul laangaab

 

[zeila2wajir]

Greater Israel if the Jews aren’t stopped:

 

[Saleh]

kkkkkkkkkkkkkk I know u know its been debunked many times, I respect ur dedication to spreading misinformation though, ahlul laangaab

i have seen people try to weaken the source, but the fact of the matter is there are only few written manuscripts describing the founding of xamar. if multiple documents from different time periods say the same thing, then it is safe to assume that is what happened. this is basic historiographical analysis. also try to avoid personal insults when discussing history, it makes you look bad

 

[Guure⁸]

im not trolling, these are just my beliefs based on the books I have read on these topics. it actually takes courage to constantly go against the majority opinion in the name of truth

Ik u r trolling cause these talking points were debunked like a thousand times here but here u r again, nin weyn ba tahay nio sida isku dhaan

 

[Saleh]

Ik u r trolling cause these talking points were debunked like a thousand times here but here u r again, nin weyn ba tahay nio sida isku dhaan

this is not how history is determined, you dont just discard the theories you dislike and accept the ones you like. I am willing to hear an alternative theory to how xamar was founded, or evidence dismissing the possibility of himyarites ruling xamar at any point in history. please go ahead

 

[Neptune]

He is one of many sources claiming this, but i cite him because he actually lived in xamar. It is also mentioned in kitab al zunuj and kawkab al duriya li akhbar ifriqiya. Read the azanian trio, it compiles all these sources and constructs a coherent story on the founding of the city states on the somali and swahili coasts

This is how I know you didn't read the Azanian Trio. Anyone who knows even a little bit of history will see how much stuff is made up in both of those books. There's no coherent story, it's not a reliable historical source.

 

[Saleh]

This is how I know you didn't read the Azanian Trio. Anyone who knows even a little bit of history will see how much stuff is made up in both of those books. There's no coherent story, it's not a reliable historical source.

What about xamar is made up in these books? What alternative theory do you people have on xamar's founding? Provide evidence the people of himyar never ruled it. I am willing to accept defeat if you provide sufficient evidence to dismiss these claims

 

[Guure⁸]

this is not how history is determined, you dont just discard the theories you dislike and accept the ones you like. I am willing to hear an alternative theory to how xamar was founded, or evidence dismissing the possibility of himyarites ruling xamar at any point in history. please go ahead

I'm not gonna waste my time on this zxp baar 10+ thread ba laga sameeyay

 

[cunug3aad]

He is one of many sources claiming this, but i cite him because he actually lived in xamar. It is also mentioned in kitab al zunuj and kawkab al duriya li akhbar ifriqiya. Read the azanian trio, it compiles all these sources and constructs a coherent story on the founding of the city states on the somali and swahili coasts

On the kitab alzunuj

Some of the apparent errors in the book:

1. Southern Somalia was ruled by the Bantu kingdom Shungwaya.
2. Mogadishu and other Benadir towns were founded by the Bantu.
3. Galla(Oromo) and Somalis are from Arabia.... and a whole other lot of bs claims.

Some historians used this book as a historical source to push their agenda of Somalis being not native to Southern Somalia. The book was written at the end of the 19th century by the way.

I read and re-read the kitab al zing and i become more convinced that it is a fabricated history from the mid 19th century to the latter have of the 19th century. They claim that warday are a
group of Jahili arab who came to somalia before the risala. They come presumable through habasha and down. If i remember correctly they even claim that their skin got dark because they intermixd with habasha. Anyway they sort of also describe the war between somali and warday and how the small but dominant warday was defeated by somalis and how some of them fled to NFD.


By the way the warday were somalizazed long before the 19th century in fact they claim to be warday ali which is reminiscente of Tuni ali and Jiddo ali. The warday living beyond the tana river identify as oromo and they have arrived in to their current lockation through a different route than the other somali speaking warday.

They say that there was a somali population living in the area long before them and that these somali tought them islam and they absorbed the somali tribes. The orma still remembers these somali tribes names and it's Gari= Garre, Tuna= tuni and Gitto= Jiddo. The orma living beyond the tana river are culturely somali and have somali traditional dances and games. In fact an anthropologist noted some of their vocabularies are somali and attributed to loans from trades and interaction with each other.

On the works of shadif aydrus

he publishes popular stories without verifying their authenticity
Among them is the narration of the seven brothers from Al-Ahsa and the kingdoms that he mentioned after the state of Fakhr Al-Din. Book :View attachment 281785

It's not reliable at all.

Its useful for Xamar and reer Xamar history though