If i do that after having confusion in this dunya, do you think making suicide solve the problem?You should commit suicide if the thoughts are too prevalent., it is the only way you can tackle it. I haven't looked back ever since i jumped off a bridge. My life is amazing now
Life is a scam
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I thought you wanted to do so, then tried to ask u many questions which makes u use logicNo sxb deffo not i was only joking
Life’s what you make it Wallahi .
I worked during Late HighSchool and during My College years and I saved enough to go Travelling around A lot of Countries. Experiences I’ll never forget Wallahi .
Life’s what you make it. Get married young, enjoy life with your wife , visit countries , you can legit visit so many countries by spending less the 500£. Depending on what country you’re in.
You’re glum now but you’ll see there’s more to life than what you can see.
I worked during Late HighSchool and during My College years and I saved enough to go Travelling around A lot of Countries. Experiences I’ll never forget Wallahi .
Life’s what you make it. Get married young, enjoy life with your wife , visit countries , you can legit visit so many countries by spending less the 500£. Depending on what country you’re in.
You’re glum now but you’ll see there’s more to life than what you can see.
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You should’ve stayed in school. Horrible reading your mini essay!
Thought this was a forum not English with Mrs Herbert
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I wouldn't use the word scam but rather 'delusion' because that's what it really is. The best of people eventually see it for what it is, a transitory short-lived station and return firmly back to their religion, were as the pathetic losers get totally lost in this delusion.
Your either a slave to Allah or a slave to Satan and his minions, there is no third choice here, it's the choice between great comforts and contentment vs a lot of misery, false hopes laced with pain and grief.
The majority of the people are too frightened to reflect over this, hence the perpetual lust for all forms of escapism, Ali is reported as saying "People are asleep, but once they die, they wake up"
The state at which these clueless people will be in when they are raised from the dead just as they were created from nothing is described in Ayah 3 of Surah Al-Ghasiyah
Labouring, Exhausted with "toil" on their faces, signifying people that had been put to work a great deal in this transitory world and fell for these delusions repeatedly.
Ibn Abbas commented that the word ‘aamila referred to those people who exerted and exhausted themselves in the dunya for things other than Islam and did not fulfil the actions that Allah (swt) demanded of them. So they will return in this exhausted state.
Umar ibn al Khattab (ra) once came by a monk who had dedicated his life to Christian worship and began to cry. The companions when they saw him crying asked what had made him cry and Umar (ra) answered ‘aamilatu nasiba’ (quoting this verse). This monk had exhausted himself in worship and given up his youth in a labour and worship that Allah (swt) will not accept and this made Umar (ra) feel sad to the extent that he wept.
Another kind of ‘aml that people engage in which the messenger (saw) cursed was being a slave to the Dinar and Dirham. These are silver/Gold coins worth far more then these worthless fiat currencies that loose their values rapidly which we run after making us even worse then those people.
To add further insult to injury no one was a corporate slave back then, most people ran their own businesses and indulged themselves in trade, they had far more freedoms then what we have today.
Just when your about to have sympathy for these delusional clueless worthless pathetic slaves of Satan, the verse that follows is even more striking!
They will enter into the scorching fire!
The humiliation is so bad that they won't even be thrown into it, they will throw themselves into it once the fire surrounds them, just as they have thrown themselves into ruins in this world behaving like moronic cattle, worshipping the satanists and denying their own spirit.
There used to be a time I had sympathy for these people until I began to engage them upon masses and saw what kind of demonic people they are, even when I present them with clear irrefutable evidence they find a way to just make excuses for it.
The following verse depicts these scums perfectly, even if they were thrown into the fire then brought back, they would still disbelief.
Surah Anam verse 27/28
If you could but see when they are made to stand before the Fire and will say, "Oh, would that we could be returned [to life on earth] and not deny the signs of our Lord and be among the believers."
But what they concealed before has [now] appeared to them. And even if they were returned, they would return to that which they were forbidden; and indeed, they are liars.
Your either a slave to Allah or a slave to Satan and his minions, there is no third choice here, it's the choice between great comforts and contentment vs a lot of misery, false hopes laced with pain and grief.
The majority of the people are too frightened to reflect over this, hence the perpetual lust for all forms of escapism, Ali is reported as saying "People are asleep, but once they die, they wake up"
The state at which these clueless people will be in when they are raised from the dead just as they were created from nothing is described in Ayah 3 of Surah Al-Ghasiyah
Labouring, Exhausted with "toil" on their faces, signifying people that had been put to work a great deal in this transitory world and fell for these delusions repeatedly.
Ibn Abbas commented that the word ‘aamila referred to those people who exerted and exhausted themselves in the dunya for things other than Islam and did not fulfil the actions that Allah (swt) demanded of them. So they will return in this exhausted state.
Umar ibn al Khattab (ra) once came by a monk who had dedicated his life to Christian worship and began to cry. The companions when they saw him crying asked what had made him cry and Umar (ra) answered ‘aamilatu nasiba’ (quoting this verse). This monk had exhausted himself in worship and given up his youth in a labour and worship that Allah (swt) will not accept and this made Umar (ra) feel sad to the extent that he wept.
Another kind of ‘aml that people engage in which the messenger (saw) cursed was being a slave to the Dinar and Dirham. These are silver/Gold coins worth far more then these worthless fiat currencies that loose their values rapidly which we run after making us even worse then those people.
To add further insult to injury no one was a corporate slave back then, most people ran their own businesses and indulged themselves in trade, they had far more freedoms then what we have today.
Just when your about to have sympathy for these delusional clueless worthless pathetic slaves of Satan, the verse that follows is even more striking!
They will enter into the scorching fire!
The humiliation is so bad that they won't even be thrown into it, they will throw themselves into it once the fire surrounds them, just as they have thrown themselves into ruins in this world behaving like moronic cattle, worshipping the satanists and denying their own spirit.
There used to be a time I had sympathy for these people until I began to engage them upon masses and saw what kind of demonic people they are, even when I present them with clear irrefutable evidence they find a way to just make excuses for it.
The following verse depicts these scums perfectly, even if they were thrown into the fire then brought back, they would still disbelief.
Surah Anam verse 27/28
If you could but see when they are made to stand before the Fire and will say, "Oh, would that we could be returned [to life on earth] and not deny the signs of our Lord and be among the believers."
But what they concealed before has [now] appeared to them. And even if they were returned, they would return to that which they were forbidden; and indeed, they are liars.
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"This monk had exhausted himself in worship and given up his youth in a labour and worship that Allah (swt) will not accept and this made Umar (ra) feel sad to the extent that he wept." Brother does this make any sense to you? Step out of your zone. Just for 1 minute. How is it this monks fault for worshipping in the christian essence. Shouldn't his reverence towards God be gifted? This monk clearly believed in the christian God. Shouldn't your God have enough foresight to understand that...I wouldn't use the word scam but rather 'delusion' because that's what it really is. The best of people eventually see it for what it is, a transitory short-lived station and return firmly back to their religion, were as the pathetic losers get totally lost in this delusion.
Your either a slave to Allah or a slave to Satan and his minions, there is no third choice here, it's the choice between great comforts and contentment vs a lot of misery, false hopes laced with pain and grief.
The majority of the people are too frightened to reflect over this, hence the perpetual lust for all forms of escapism, Ali is reported as saying "People are asleep, but once they die, they wake up"
The state at which these clueless people will be in when they are raised from the dead just as they were created from nothing is described in Ayah 3 of Surah Al-Ghasiyah
Labouring, Exhausted with "toil" on their faces, signifying people that had been put to work a great deal in this transitory world and fell for these delusions repeatedly.
Ibn Abbas commented that the word ‘aamila referred to those people who exerted and exhausted themselves in the dunya for things other than Islam and did not fulfil the actions that Allah (swt) demanded of them. So they will return in this exhausted state.
Umar ibn al Khattab (ra) once came by a monk who had dedicated his life to Christian worship and began to cry. The companions when they saw him crying asked what had made him cry and Umar (ra) answered ‘aamilatu nasiba’ (quoting this verse). This monk had exhausted himself in worship and given up his youth in a labour and worship that Allah (swt) will not accept and this made Umar (ra) feel sad to the extent that he wept.
Another kind of ‘aml that people engage in which the messenger (saw) cursed was being a slave to the Dinar and Dirham. These are silver/Gold coins worth far more then these worthless fiat currencies that loose their values rapidly which we run after making us even worse then those people.
To add further insult to injury no one was a corporate slave back then, most people ran their own businesses and indulged themselves in trade, they had far more freedoms then what we have today.
Just when your about to have sympathy for these delusional clueless worthless pathetic slaves of Satan, the verse that follows is even more striking!
They will enter into the scorching fire!
The humiliation is so bad that they won't even be thrown into it, they will throw themselves into it once the fire surrounds them, just as they have threw themselves into ruins in this world behaving like moronic cattle, worshipping the satanists and denying their own spirits.
“Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur’aan and Prophet Muhammad) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikoon will abide in the fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures”
[al-Bayyinah 98:6]
I've always had a cognitive dissonance with this ayah when I was muslim.
"This monk had exhausted himself in worship and given up his youth in a labour and worship that Allah (swt) will not accept and this made Umar (ra) feel sad to the extent that he wept." Brother does this make any sense to you? Step out of your zone. Just for 1 minute. How is it this monks fault for worshipping in the christian essence. Shouldn't his reverence towards God be gifted? This monk clearly believed in the christian God. Shouldn't your God have enough foresight to understand that...
“Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur’aan and Prophet Muhammad) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikoon will abide in the fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures”
[al-Bayyinah 98:6]
I've always had a cognitive dissonance with this ayah when I was muslim.
I always thought Jews and Christians go to Heaven as long as they're not Mushriks. That's how I understand the ayah.
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"This monk had exhausted himself in worship and given up his youth in a labour and worship that Allah (swt) will not accept and this made Umar (ra) feel sad to the extent that he wept." Brother does this make any sense to you? Step out of your zone. Just for 1 minute. How is it this monks fault for worshipping in the christian essence. Shouldn't his reverence towards God be gifted? This monk clearly believed in the christian God. Shouldn't your God have enough foresight to understand that...
“Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur’aan and Prophet Muhammad) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikoon will abide in the fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures”
[al-Bayyinah 98:6]
I've always had a cognitive dissonance with this ayah when I was muslim.
It makes perfect sense to me, we haven't been created to be sheep, we weren't blessed with this awesome brain just to become mindless followers, no one is given a burden that he/she is unable to carry.
In the Nuremberg trial the concept of "following orders" was not accepted of the soldiers who supposedly partook in the killing of these fake Jews, there was a famous case of a soldiers supposedly just guarding the concentration camps that was put on trial (he didn't kill anyone).
You wouldn't have accepted his arguments of "he was just following orders" or in this specific case "he was a loving husband, father who took great care of his wife and kids, and would never hurt anyone"
Order followers as well as the people who are just sheep and refuse to think despite being granted all the tools, are the most despicable and most evil people in this world, if such people ever wielded any power, they would have become the worst of tyrants.
As for the Ayah that you quoted completely out of context, you should first read the tasfeer of it, you are using this completely out of context, this is talking about specific people during the time of the Prophet who recognised him from their scriptures better then they recognised their own "children" but still rejected him, such people undoubtedly receive the worst of punishments.
Here you can read the full tasfeer
https://tafseerstudy.wordpress.com/2014/11/18/98-al-bayyinah/
I don’t find it depressing at all. It is what it is. It’s kinda comforting to know that everything we worry about is essentially meaningless.My exact thoughts (minus the deen part). Weirdly enough though, i don't feel depressed about it. It's just reality, it's life. Find whatever enjoyment or purpose you can out of it before it's over, that's my own philosophy.
You are comparing the laws of men to the laws of God.
. How is is being a devout christian and being punished for it the same as guarding concentration camps and being punished for it. The guards were most likely aware of the atrocities that took place behind the walls. Monks and clergymen are devoting themselves to a God which they clearly believe in, where they are clearly in submission to God. Whereas the guards are in submission to the superior officers. Are you trying to suggest that it is the fault of the clergyman for not knowing about the true essence of Islam?
I read some tafseer here and there sometimes. It dawned upon me quite recently that it is all subjective interpretation. From tabari, kaashaaf, kathiir....
If an ayah can be interpreted in one way or another, Isn't one of the different adherents incorrectly following the deen? And isn't it a high possibility that they'll be punished for it like the clergymen who follow like sheep. But what if they genuinely didn't know? There are a lot of problems with Islamic worship.
If someone is reading this, carefully think about what i have just said.
They clearly don't according to several islamic principles.
. being a jaahil is punishable in the hereafter.
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Were did you get this heresy from ? Isa never heard of Christianity, it's derived from the Greek word Christos and Isa never spoke Greek by unanimous consensus, Christos means the "anointed one" a translation from the Arabic/Hebrew "Al-Masih" (Messiah) which he is familiar with.
As for Jews/Judaism even in their Hebrew equivalent of today was a term none of the Israelite prophets ever heard off and doesn't appear once in the corrupt Torah they have today, it came much later in history, the first record of the word "Jew" appearing in European history is 1275.
They clearly don't according to several islamic principles.
I suggest you both read Sura Baqarah
"Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allaah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” [al-Baqarah 2:62
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You are comparing the laws of men to the laws of God.
Are you trying to suggest that it is the fault of the clergyman for not knowing about the true essence of Islam?
I read some tafseer here and there sometimes. It dawned upon me quite recently that it is all subjective interpretation. From tabari, kaashaaf, kathiir....
If an ayah can be interpreted in one way or another, Isn't one of the different adherents incorrectly following the deen? And isn't it a high possibility that they'll be punished for it like the clergymen who follow like sheep. But what if they genuinely didn't know? There are a lot of problems with Islamic worship.
If someone is reading this, carefully think about what i have just said.
I was addressing the underlying false notion of your post which was "because he doesn't know, why should he then suffer the consequences" by citing that example to ram things home, ignorance of the law is not an excuse that stands up in court, you will get punished regardless..
Whether you run a business, a child care facility, a factory etc. the onus is on you to know all the law's, even if it could be proven that the person genuinely was ignorant of the law, this still doesn't hold up in court, I don't know why this is so difficult for you to grasp.
The only problem with Islamic worship is the one that exists in your head, your ignorance is astounding, you just put ibn Kahtiir next to a title of a book then followed by the name of a historian.
Al Kaashaaf that you quoted is not an author but the title of a book authored by Al-Zamaskhari a Mu'tazilite theologian of Persian descent, his work of Tasfeer is primarily based on linguistic side which is entirely different from the works of Tabari (historian) and ibn Kathiir (tasfeer based on hadith)
Your getting the very basics messed up here, these are complete different sciences, all 3 of them in fact. Having differences of opinion is healthy, it's not a problem at all, this even happened between the companions, the differences were in jurisprudence and fiqh only not in theology.
We learn from the hadith that eventually any person with less then a mustard seed of faith will enter heaven, I do not know the faith that will await that monk or even myself, or his circumstances (has the message reached him)
He could have reverted towards the end of his life, but the one thing I do know is that if his heart was in the right place and he genuinely sought guidance, those doors would have been opened for him.
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I suggest you both read Sura Baqarah
"Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allaah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” [al-Baqarah 2:62
Please listen to the tasfeer of that ayah, you completely misunderstood the verse, the preceding verses make this even more clear. The English translation of it is also very poor.
(3: 85)
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers,”
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We are only nothing so long as we allow ourselfs to be nothing, and we will not be remembered so long as we don't make ourselfs memorable.
Obviously, anyone must know what they want to be known after they are long gone, but we are nothing more ore less than what we choose to reveal. Thus we should make our own reality, be the indivual we always wanted to be and live the life wa want to live. We ought to be objectively influencing our reality by our actions, and after we are long by our legacy we lived through. Then, and only then can we have recognition we sought after and some of us will be remembered so well that there will be queue on their grave and some wont even have a grave. Be the light not the night.
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