FGM is permitted in Islam

Unionist said:

Then why follow Islam at all if you don't want to follow the sunnah?

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Look at this xoolo. Sunah are optional. We follow Islam because parts of it are not optional. All we are expected to do is follow that part, the sunah part isn't part of the obligatory part. See the difference?

Unionist said:

Then why follow Islam at all if you don't want to follow the sunnah?

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Show us their definition of circumcision real quick.

Unionist said:

So you're not following Islam for the love of Allah, you're being forced?


That just tells me that you wouldn't choose to be Muslim if you had a choice as an adult.

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I am an adult and I choose to be muslim everyday. I wasn't talking about me. Parts of Islam are obligatory and other parts are sunnah. No one is forced to follow either. Me personally I follow both but I wouldn't be punish if I left out the sunnah, but if I do it, I have an advantage over those who do not.

quit assuming.

Unionist said:

At worse, Islam says FGM is obligatory. At best, it's sunnah.

So that means Islam promotes FGM, and that it's good for society.

Yet a lot of Muslims in these forums do not condone the practice. They're against Islam teachings and want to ban this sunnah practice, like slavery

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Female circumcision which Islam allows and FGM are nowhere near the same. Why are you being so disingenuous?

And nowhere does it say you have to follow every single thing Imam Shafi'i stated.

Wax kale la imo, waa qasaartay.

Unionist said:

How is FGM different from circumcisions? They both mutilate genital.

If you don't want to follow sunnah, that means you don't agree to what Islam promotes

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You should know what you're talking about before you discuss it.

Female circumcision isn't obligatory. Sunnah is sunnah, ma garatay?

There are many sunnah prayers but most Muslims only pray the five daily prayers, because that's the minimum which is required from us.

Not performing a sunnah act doesn't mean you disagree with it. It is optional.

Unionist said:

https://islamqa.info/en/60314



I wonder if this will change people's opinion on Islam

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Why should it change it ?

It's only FGM when it's done by non-westerners but not when westerners do it. talk about hypocrisy.

According to WHO

Female genital mutilation (FGM) comprises all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external female genitalia, or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons.

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Genital cosmetic surgery comes under that definition but they choose to call it FGM only when non-westerners do it but question is why ? anatomically speaking what is altered/modified is the same.


Before you start saying talking about freedom to choose, "FGM" laws in western countries forbid adult women from communities where female circumcision is the norm to undergo the same procedures that their cadaan counterparts have access to.

Muslim boys are circumcised without their consent but no fuss is made about it , question is why ? why doesn't WHO call it MGM ?

One woman’s “FGM” is another woman’s “cosmetic surgery”.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones

Orod wada ku qul qul

No it isn't, some weak aahad Hadith doesn't come above what the Quran has to say, it's mandatory for men to remove their foreskin, nothing on women.

Why do anti Muslims quote islam qa like it's a evidence I must accept when the creators and scholars of that site are the members of SAUDI arabia's council of scholars who adhere to a version of Islam that contradicts the entire Sunni ulema and what they had to say, some typical Salafi crud.

Unionist said:

So the argument from defenders of FGM is that it isn't obligatory or that FGM isn't as bad as westerners make it to be.

I'd say the problem is that FGM is sunnah to begin with, never mind some sects like shafici (which is practiced by horn of africa) obligatory.

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I said post a definition of the circumcision. FGM and circumcision is different. Now hurry up and find the definition Islam is talking about.

Circumcision is obligatory (O: for both men and women. For men it consists of removing the prepuce from the penis, and for women, removing the prepuce (Ar. Bazr) of the clitoris (n: not the clitoris itself, as some mistakenly assert). (A: Hanbalis hold that circumcision of women is not obligatory but sunna, while Hanafis consider it a mere courtesy to the husband.)"

Hanafi Madhab:
Imam Abu Haneefa (RA): Permissable OR nobility for women or courtesy to Husband, but not Sunnah or Mustahab
Madhab: Permissable, but not Sunnah or Mustahab
Maiki Madhab:
Imam Malik (RA): same as Imam Abu Haneefa (RA)
Madhab: same as Hanafi Madhab
Shaf'ae Madhab: Obligatory
Hanbali Madhab: Sunnah

Unionist said:

So the argument from defenders of FGM is that it isn't obligatory or that FGM isn't as bad as westerners make it to be.

I'd say the problem is that FGM is sunnah to begin with, never mind some sects like shafici (which is practiced by horn of africa) obligatory.

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It's not FGM. You can keep repeating this but it won't make it true. Learn the difference before you discuss it.

May Allah bless the sisters who've defended Islam from this attempt of this filthy shaytan.

The fircooni FGM that Cushitic groups do is completely haram.

Unionist said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

FGM is female circumcision.


Admit that Islam is supportive of FGM. You guys are going against Allahs teachings.

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FGM isn't the same as circumcision you dishonest cretin

WHO (World Health Organization) Types of Female Genital Cutting:

Female genital cutting is “term used to refer to any practice which includes the removal or the alteration of the female genitalia.”[5]:

Type I: This is the mildest form of FGC, which includes removing or splitting the prepuce (foreskin or ‘hood’) which covers the clitoris of females, thus exposing the glans. This may be couple with partial or total excision of the clitoris. This is known as clitoridotomy (slang: hoodectomy). According to the United Nations Population Fund, this form is comparable to male circumcision.[7] This is sometimes also called “sunna circumcision” due to the fact that it is this type which is performed commonly by those Muslims who believe it to be legislated in Islam.

• Type Ia, removal of the clitoral hood or prepuce only; WHO refers to this type as "female circumcision".
  
  
  
  
• Type Ib, removal of the clitoris with the prepuce.

Type II: In this type, known as clitoridectomy, the clitoris and labia minora is partially or totally removed.

Type III: This is one of the most extreme forms of FGC, involving the total excision of the clitoris, both the labia minora and majora, and the joining of the two sides of the vulva across the vagina, sewn with thread or secured with other items, until it heals joining together. Only a small, pencil-size hole is left to allow passage of menstrual blood and urine. This is known as infibulation or Pharaonic Circumcision, in reference to its origins.

Type IV: This type is inclusive of all other forms of genital cutting, such as: pricking, piercing or incision of the clitoris and/or labia; stretching of the clitoris and/or labia; cauterization by burning of the clitoris and surrounding tissue; introcision, scraping (angurya cuts) or cutting (gishri cuts) of the vagina or surrounding tissue; and introduction of corrosive substances or herbs into the vagina.

https://s20.postimg.org/jdf78ofp9/Types.png

It is key to note, however, that it is only this first type which some of the scholars regarded as commendable, which is the clipping of the prepuce until the glans becomes visible, or less. This procedure is harmless and has no detrimental effects upon women, and is similar to the circumcision of men, as mentioned previously, thus calling it "mutilation" is just a manifestation of ignorance.

http://www.islamreligion.com/article...-islam-part-2/

It's of note that wiki and similar secular and Christian sites try to force the word "mutilation" for both male and female circumcision and that exposes their anti-Islamic agenda.