Why tf was he so dependent on aid when he had a large coast and a strategic position for trade? Our population was low also so easier to take care of citizens. Failure by every metric. Smh
Somalia between 1960-1991: A nation that can only survive through foreign aid money
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Timo Jareer and proud
2nd Emir of the Akh Right Movement
Low IQ man that's why.
tyrannicalmanager
pseudo-intellectual
this such a redundant thread.
what the point of talking about aid dependacy in somalis when most of subsahara africa has the same problem.
what the point of talking about aid dependacy in somalis when most of subsahara africa has the same problem.
shum33
Somaliland supremacy
sxb do you know how silly you sound?this such a redundant thread.
what the point of talking about aid dependacy in somalis when most of subsahara africa has the same problem.
the only sub saharan countries that are not piss poor are the countries that are dependent on their own resources to make money,just because some other countries are in the same position does not mean, when somalia existed, they should have been the same,that's a loser mentality,the aid dependancy was used to keep africa down and is still is till today so other nations can steal their resources
The depressing part is like how @MoeMoney pointed out they had all they needed to build themselves up but choose to be beggers because they were convinced it is ok,hey!! all the other dumb africans were doing the same!!
No cohesion as a nation or institutions for a few decades is to blame for the lack of progress. We have some regions who have been claiming secession/independence with creeping social unrest and other areas with even more straining circumstances. Security and political stability is paramount for success and development and that has been severely lacking in our situation. I'll detail our situation a bit more below.
Israel has received 142 Billion Dollars in AID from the United States alone since WW2, and that is not mentioning other countries that have given significant AID to Israel like Germany. So the millions that we got in foreign assistance was mere peanuts in the grand scheme of things compared to various other countries. Somalias Informal economy has always been strong and that was especially true in 1969-1991.
However our formal economy's main plight that was being overcome was due to the lack of technical expertise in the common citizen. When people aren't producing technologies or products that have a high market value, or selling natural resources etc it's not easy for a state to get funds. Also Somalia form 1960-1991 was a new nation making strides towards self sufficiency it's not a linear pattern and for many of those years social and economic progress was being made.
Natural resource exploitation scanning and contracts were being signed in the late 80s, if there was no war production would've begun and the economy would have been growing at a rapid pace akin to the UAE which was nothing more than a desert not too long ago.
This is the difference between me and you. I brought up a thesis (Somalia was not self sufficient between 1960-1991), and backed it with several sources. As for you, most of what you've said is on the one hand not relevant for the topic and on the other hand not even backed up by any source.
So the points you've made so far are:
- Somalias lack of Progress (What was NOT the topic of the thread) is due to the political instability in form of regions who claim seccession.
Well are there sources for such claim. Which scholar came to this thesis ? I mean there was literally barely any Seccionists movement between 1960-1991, how did they prevent progress.
- That Israel got a lot of Aid money as well.
Even though Israel has a different context and today a first world country, how does this disprove that Somalia was not self sufficient between 1960-1991 ?
- The informal economy was always self sufficient.
So where is the source for this ? Just a baseless claim. In 1974-1975 tens of thousands of people died in a drought. How does that explain a self sufficient informal economy.
- Somalia made good progress towards self sufficiency between 1960-1991.
Another baseless claim without any source.
- natural resource exploitation contracts were signed in the late 80's and without civil war Somalia would have been a first world country and production and growth would have grown similar rapid as in the UAE.
Well again not relevant to the topic and not even backed up and completly wrong. Your delusions that Somalia would have been the next UAE without civil war, does not debunk my initial claims, that Somalia was not self sufficient at all in the years 1960-1991.
So let's conclude with the fact you claimed a lot of things, most of them completly irrelevant to the topic and delusional, which is the essence of derailing and a clear indicator that you can't challenge my thesis at all and to make things worse you did not back up anything.
You have also two options
a. Agree with my thesis which I have proven with several sources
b. Disagree with me and debunk that Somalia was not self sufficient between 1960-1991, with backing up your sources and correct citations, so that every reader can look up everthing you've said. Making 100 unrelated claims does not debunk anything it just shows, you know you can't win the debate.
this such a redundant thread.
what the point of talking about aid dependacy in somalis when most of subsahara africa has the same problem.
If you'd have read the thread you'd have known that your post was redundant. Somalia was the country that received the most aid money per capita in subsaharan Africa (1960-1991). It is a special case were self sufficiency is way below the average in Subshara Africa. Read the sources before you write.
Very good question, that needs a very deep study.
Actually you still are part of it
tyrannicalmanager
pseudo-intellectual
your source said in (1960-1969) was the period where somalia receives the most aid of per capita in subsaharan africa.
anyways the problem with somalia is were hoping from western ideology to western ideology, instead doing that why won't we just implement islamic governance rather than systems that barely worked in first world.
Actually you still are part of it
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I agree espcially on your last part. Islamic law is the only key to success for Somalis.
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