New MENA categories 23andMe

Apollo · Jul 11, 2019

They are going to update it soon apparently:

They listed Copts and Egyptians with Arabs. This is going to trigger Afrocentrists.

Meanwhile they recognized that Maghrebis are more unique and deserving of their own category over Egyptians.

Assyrians were put with Armenians/Iranians rather than with Levantines. Also interesting.

Marquis · Jul 11, 2019

Aren't Cypriots pretty much Hellenized/Turkified Levantines? @Apollo

CaliTedesse · Jul 11, 2019

They should redo this with Assyrian and Mesopotamian next to Arabs. Egyptians with Arabs is good. They have more in common with each other than other North Africans.

Apollo · Jul 11, 2019

kobe said:
Aren't Cypriots pretty much Hellenized/Turkified Levantines? @Apollo

I think they are more connected to ancient Anatolians perhaps explaining why they were placed with (North) West Asians. Greeks from Europe are mixed with Slavs and are a bit different from Cypriots explaining why Greeks are in the Europe category and Cypriots in the West Asian one. :hmm:

Marquis · Jul 11, 2019

Apollo said:
I think they are more connected to ancient Anatolians perhaps explaining why they were placed with (North) West Asians. Greeks from Europe are mixed with Slavs and are a bit different from Cypriots explaining why Greeks are in the Europe category and Cypriots in the West Asian one.

Mainland Greeks are Hellenized Albanians (Arvanites), Anatolians, Slavs and Romanians (Vlachs).

SOMALI GENERAL · Jul 11, 2019

Interesting categorisation.

Is there any particular reason(s) why Egyptians(Copts) are sharing a category with Levantines & Arabs rather than with other North Africans/Berbers?

Apollo · Jul 11, 2019

SOMALI GENERAL said:
Interesting categorisation.

Is there any particular reason(s) why Egyptians(Copts) were grouped with Levantines & Arabians rather than with other North Africans?

Probably they consider them too similar. Both being high in Natufian-like origins while Maghrebis have higher Taforalt-like origins plus rare Iberian Neolithic stuff making them more unique.

PS. This is their upcoming South Asia categorization, perhaps also of interest:

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Marquis · Jul 11, 2019

Apollo said:
Probably they consider them too similar. Both being high in Natufian-like origins while Maghrebis have higher Taforalt-like origins plus rare Iberian Neolithic stuff making them more unique.

PS. This is their upcoming South Asia categorization, perhaps also of interest:

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Surprised that Pakistani Pashtun are in the Central Asian category especially since they assimilated many Muslim Indians and have heavily intermarried with them. Pakistani Pashtun look much different than the Iranic Pashtun from Afghanistan.

SOMALI GENERAL · Jul 11, 2019

Apollo said:
Probably they consider them too similar. Both being high in Natufian-like origins while Maghrebis have higher Taforalt-like origins plus rare Iberian Neolithic stuff making them more unique.

PS. This is their upcoming South Asia categorization, perhaps also of interest:

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They're on to something.

Probably explains the very distinct look/phenotype Amazighs have when compared to Egyptians that tend to be swarthy.

Marquis · Jul 11, 2019

@Apollo I think they need to break down the Central Asian category with:

Iranic and Iranized Turks:

Tajik, Afghan Pashtun, Turkmen, Uzbek, Burusho, Baloch.

Mongoloid :

Kyrgyz, Kazakh, Hazara

Marquis · Jul 11, 2019

Iranized Turkmen women:

Mongoloid Kazakh women:

World · Jul 11, 2019

kobe said:
Iranized Turkmen women:

Mongoloid Kazakh women:

They look half white, half asian to me.

Apollo · Jul 11, 2019

@kobe

I noticed it too and found it a bit weird (Pathans in CA). But apparently they are too different from other Pakistanis who are more like North Indians. They had to put them somewhere and Pathans are too Asiatic to be grouped with Iranians.

Prince Abubu · Jul 11, 2019

Apollo said:
@kobe

I noticed it too and found it a bit weird (Pathans in CA). But apparently they are too different from other Pakistanis who are more like North Indians. They had to put them somewhere and Pathans are too Asiatic to be grouped with Iranians.

Most of the UK Pakis are Pathan/Pashtun. They look different to other Pakis/Indians.

Prince Abubu · Jul 11, 2019

Interesting that Egyptians are grouped with Levantines. In my experience, Egyptians look very phenotypically sub-saharan, compared to North Africans/Maghrebis.

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