Zayn Malik says he "no longer considers himself a Muslim"

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Dalmoor

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Jiron

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People go through different stages in life, sometimes questioning your faith/beliefs is part of it. No matter where we are at right now, in the end I hope god guides us towards the right path inshallah :)
 
Zayn Malik said, " I just believe if you are a good person, everything is going to go right for you".

Many here say, "Bullshit mate".

"We believe if you don't worship Allah by praying, fasting and refuse to kill your tribal foes, you are a heathen and will be punished in hell".

Who is right?
 

Kratos

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Who cares? In the end, it is between him and the Creator. We will all answer one day. Therefore, it is pointless to be upset and annoyed by apostates. What we do need to do however is to do everything we can to encourage them to be persistent in their deen and to tackle apostates the right way, with profound arguments and decision when defending our faith from untruth and mocking. Not by violence or foulmouthing back.

Except the "right" way to tackle apostates can in some instances be through the use of violence. Under the rule of an Islamic court, apostasy is punishable by death, justified by various ahadith. Luckily for Zayn, he lives in a secular country.
 

munira

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Except the "right" way to tackle apostates can in some instances be through the use of violence. Under the rule of an Islamic court, apostasy is punishable by death, justified by various ahadith. Luckily for Zayn, he lives in a secular country.

So are you against the death penalty in general or only for the rulings of apostates in shariah
 

Kratos

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So are you against the death penalty in general or only for the rulings of apostates in shariah

I don't have a hard position on the death penalty in general tbh, it's a complicated issue. However I do find it very difficult to understand how you can justify the death penalty for someone who changes their beliefs
 

munira

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I don't have a hard position on the death penalty in general tbh, it's a complicated issue. However I do find it very difficult to understand how you can justify the death penalty for someone who changes their beliefs

So you aren’t against the death penalty, right?
 

Kratos

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Lol then you aren’t any better than people who believe you should kill apostates.
Yes I am. If someone says a murderer deserves capital punishment then you could make rational arguments as to why that is. How can you justify the prescription of the death penalty for someone who simply doesn't share the same beliefs as you? One is a punishment for an abhorrent crime and the other is a suppression of religious freedom and independent thinking.
 

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Yes I am. If someone says a murderer deserves capital punishment then you could make rational arguments as to why that is. How can you justify the prescription of the death penalty for someone who simply doesn't share the same beliefs as you? One is a punishment for an abhorrent crime and the other is a suppression of religious freedom and independent thinking.


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Let him. He lives in a free western country so let him leave islam. Its not our problem. Allah is the judge of us, the just one
 

munira

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Yes I am. If someone says a murderer deserves capital punishment then you could make rational arguments as to why that is. How can you justify the prescription of the death penalty for someone who simply doesn't share the same beliefs as you? One is a punishment for an abhorrent crime and the other is a suppression of religious freedom and independent thinking.

What you consider rational is subjective. Just because you believe you could make a rational argument for the dealth penalty of murders doesn’t mean that everyone else believes it’s rational. Also, you’re imposing your subjective believe that murder is an abhorrent crime.
 

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Ka’b ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Two wolves roaming freely among a flock sheep are less destructive to them than the passion of a man for wealth and fame is to his religion.”

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2376

Grade: Sahih
 

Samira

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What appeal does the carnal heaven of Islam and all its masculine gifts have to one who delights in it on Earth? Nothing written in the Qur'an and Hadiths concerning Paradise is unavailable to him; so why believe?
 

Kratos

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What you consider rational is subjective. Just because you believe you could make a rational argument for the dealth penalty of murders doesn’t mean that everyone else believes it’s rational. Also, you’re imposing your subjective believe that murder is an abhorrent crime.

Using that logic, everything is subjective and therefore there is no reason to have laws. But we need to create some if we want to live in a peaceful society. How do we come up with these laws? We do so by discussing things with other people. Subjectivity is something that is influenced by personal feelings. Most people don't want to lose a loved one, therefore is it not reasonable to install a punishment for murderers to deter them from doing so, in order to have an overall happy society?

One could also come to the conclusion that our morality comes from god but then the burden of proof is on you to prove that your god exists. If what a person considers rational is subjective, doesn't that mean that by definition you can't prove god's existence as absolute rationality doesn't exist? Your faith will be a subjectively based one and if that's the case, then you can't justify your morality as an absolute one.
 

munira

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Using that logic, everything is subjective and therefore there is no reason to have laws. But we need to create some if we want to live in a peaceful society. How do we come up with these laws? We do so by discussing things with other people. Subjectivity is something that is influenced by personal feelings. Most people don't want to lose a loved one, therefore is it not reasonable to install a punishment for murderers to deter them from doing so, in order to have an overall happy society?

One could also come to the conclusion that our morality comes from god but then the burden of proof is on you to prove that your god exists. If what a person considers rational is subjective, doesn't that mean that by definition you can't prove god's existence as absolute rationality doesn't exist? Your faith will be a subjectively based one and if that's the case, then you can't justify your morality as an absolute one.

I agree with you on certain things.

There’s no point in having laws because everything is subjective. The only laws it makes sense to abide by is God’s laws and you agree that if God did exist you would be willing to follow His laws instead of man made rules, right?

And I agree you can’t proof the existence of God. The idea of proof is having absolute certainty but I believe nothing has absolute certainty including religion, science, maths . However we have reason and it is through reason, I believe in the existence of God.
 
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