How is music haram?

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Music is haram. There is no doubt about that. Look at some saying that it sounds so soothing to our ears. OF COURSE it does to most of us, because we’re fkd up and the road to Jahannam is easier than to Jannah. If we were on the deen the right way, there would be no space for music in our hearts.

I listen to music as well ngl, but that doesn’t mean that I should say that music isn’t haram because it “won’t do me any harm”. Look how arrogant we people can be subxanallaah.
 
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RICH said:
Ninkani muxuu leeyahay? Tf. I follow only Quran kulaha:westbrookwtf:

We need to follow Allaah Azaa wa djal AND his MESSENGER Mohammed alayhi salaam. Do you know what the shahada means. As a Muslim you believe and accept that Allaah is one and that we worship NO ONE but Him and that Mohammed alayhi salaam is His messenger.

So you’re telling me that you don’t follow Allaah His messenger? Then why is Mohammed mentioned in the shahada? The thing that makes us Muslim after all. Just for letting us know that he is the messenger of the Quran khalaas?

We need need to follow everything he said and done. I’m trying to understand what part of Islam you don’t understand. Cause this is common sense :what1:
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Don't waste your breath on him.He is a misguided brother that needs to repent and seek Islamic knowledge from a imaan/scholar in person so that he can ask all the questions he wants to them directly so that his wrong believes are corrected.
 
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RICH

The Qadr of Allaah ta’aala is always in our favor.
Project_sushi said:
Don't waste your breath on him.He is a misguided brother that needs to repent and seek Islamic knowledge from a imaan/scholar in person so that he can ask all the questions he wants to them directly so that his wrong believes are corrected.
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Wallaahi people like him make me furious. But whatever it’s everyone for himself right...
 
BetterAkhlaq

BetterAkhlaq

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RICH said:
Ninkani muxuu leeyahay? Tf. I follow only Quran kulaha:westbrookwtf:

We need to follow Allaah Azaa wa djal AND his MESSENGER Mohammed alayhi salaam. Do you know what the shahada means. As a Muslim you believe and accept that Allaah is one and that we worship NO ONE but Him and that Mohammed alayhi salaam is His messenger.

So you’re telling me that you don’t follow Allaah His messenger? Then why is Mohammed mentioned in the shahada? The thing that makes us Muslim after all. Just for letting us know that he is the messenger of the Quran khalaas?

We need need to follow everything he said and done. I’m trying to understand what part of Islam you don’t understand. Cause this is common sense :what1:
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Music is certainly not haram, it's 100% halal, are you calling David a sinner? Hmm??? I literally provided evidence above on why it's not haram, but you're not, instead you're acting out like a neef without evidence and resorting to insults like some petty little child.

In the Quran, Allah orders us to obey and follow the prophet Muhammad [saw], therefore, obeying the sayings of the Prophet [saw] is obeying the Quran; there is no contradiction in the two.

Every single example I have mentioned is directly quoted from the Quran, prove me wrong or you salafis can simply shut it. I'm not going to argue with people with no actual arguments.

Salafis get dumber by the day.

Project_sushi said:
Don't waste your breath on him.He is a misguided brother that needs to repent and seek Islamic knowledge from a imaan/scholar in person so that he can ask all the questions he wants to them directly so that his wrong believes are corrected.
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I'm sorry have you managed to prove me wrong in why it's haram? No? You're only complaining? :camby:

Hadith of the day: الأحاديث هي غبية من الولايات المتحدة من الولايات المتحدة من الولايات المتحدة
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Abdipapaya

Abdipapaya

لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ
The hadiths, the mainstream Muslims say, preserve the meaning of the Qur’an. This is why Allah tells us in the Qur’an [meaning of which is]:

And We revealed to you [O Muhammad] the message [Qur’an] that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought. [Qur’an 16:44]

His HADITHS are that clarification!

There are also verses in the Qur’an where Allah specifically commands the Muslims to obey the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), for example:

And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. [Qur’an 4:64]

But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission. [Qur’an 4:65]

He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ; but those who turn away – We have not sent you over them as a guardian. [Qur’an 4:80]

This is how the companions of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) understood the religion as well. They understood that not everything is in the Qur’an. For example, it is narrated from Abdullah bin Khalid that he said to Abdullah bin Umar, the son of the second caliph of Islam:

“We find (mention of) the prayer of the resident and the prayer in a state of fear in the Qur’an, but we do not find any mention of the prayer of the traveler. Abdullah said to him: ‘Allah sent Muhammad (pbuh) to us, and we did not know anything, rather we do what we saw Muhammad (pbuh) doing.” (Reported by Ibn Majah, Ibn Qayyim said it is authentic)

The prophet (pbuh) warned us against them in a hadith:

“Soon there will come a time that a man will be reclining on his pillow, and when one of my hadiths is narrated he will say: ‘The Book of Allah is (sufficient) between us and you. Whatever it states is permissible, we will take as permissible, and whatever it states is forbidden, we will take as forbidden.’ Verily, whatever the Messenger of Allah has forbidden is like that which Allah has forbidden.” (Reported by Ahmad, Abu Daawood, Ibn Maajah and at-Tirmidhee, who declared it hasan. Al-Albaanee declared it saheeh in Saheehul-Jaami’ (no.8186))

Their Hypocrisies:

These hadith rejectors will criticize the sunnis for relying on hadiths while it was these same sunnis who preserved the Qur’an generation after generation! For some reason, they have trouble understanding the fact that if they do not trust our preservation methods when it comes to hadiths, then why do they trust our preservation method when it comes to the Qur’an?! An ignorant among them once responded to me with: “because the Qur’an was compiled during the time of the Prophet (pbuh).” This is completely false! It was compiled after the time of the Prophet by the same people who today call themselves Ahlu Sunnah wal Jama’ah (a.k.a SUNNI)! The ironic thing is if one were to ask them about the history of the Qur’an, they would have to go to hadiths else there is no other way. The Qur’an itself does not give its history. Hence, they will go to hadiths when it suits their agenda and ideology.

There are numerous verses which cannot be understood without hadiths, for example:

Why [is it that] when a disaster struck you, although you had struck with one twice as great, you said, “From where is this?” Say, “It is from yourselves.” Indeed, Allah is over all things competent. [Qur’an 3:165]

When did this verse come down? What disaster is this verse talking about? What was struck twice as great?

Another verse:

And what struck you on the day the two armies met was by permission of Allah that He might make evident the [true] believers. [Qur’an 3:166]

What two armies? And on what day? Where is this information in the Qur’an?
 
BetterAkhlaq

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Nomad2054 said:
interesting statement sxb, how did you come to that conclusion???
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I come from a religious family, the most religious barely knew anything about the Quran. She only memorised it, but never bothered to understand the contents. She said the cinemas had jinn in the screens and that it was haram because of it would corrupt us.

All in all, try getting to know FOB parents, and you'll see their religious views. Especially the FOBs from arab countries and you'll notice the similarities, in that they can't ever have fun, and anything foreign is considered haram.
 
Abdipapaya

Abdipapaya

لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ
BetterAkhlaq said:
I come from a religious family, the most religious barely knew anything about the Quran. She only memorised it, but never bothered to understand the contents. She said the cinemas had jinn in the screens and that it was haram because of it would corrupt us.

All in all, try getting to know FOB parents, and you'll see their religious views. Especially the FOBs from arab countries and you'll notice the similarities, in that they can't ever have fun, and anything foreign is considered haram.
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Read the quraan and search the truth youself
 
Abdipapaya

Abdipapaya

لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ
How do you pray 5 times? Do you even pray?

How do you eat?

Can you have temporary marriage?

Is alchohol halal?
 
BetterAkhlaq

BetterAkhlaq

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Abdipapaya said:
How do you pray 5 times? Do you even pray?

How do you eat?

Can you have temporary marriage?

Is alchohol halal?
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I provided a link on salat so you could check it out.

I eat healthy foods.

Alcohol is bad for our bodies and I have personally seen it ruin lives.

When you say temporary marriage are you talking about Boyfriend Girlfriend? Or a divorce?

These are all answers I have found whilst researching the religion as well as personal events.
 
Abdipapaya

Abdipapaya

لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ
BetterAkhlaq said:
I provided a link on salat so you could check it out.

I eat healthy foods.

Alcohol is bad for our bodies and I have personally seen it ruin lives.

When you say temporary marriage are you talking about Boyfriend Girlfriend? Or a divorce?

These are all answers I have found whilst researching the religion as well as personal events.
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Personal events :gucciwhat::gucciwhat::gucciwhat::gucciwhat::gucciwhat::gucciwhat::bell::bell::bell::nahgirl::ulyin::birdman::russ::lolbron::lolbron::manny::ooh::ooh::ooh::ooh::ooh::ooh::camby::childplease::browtf::browtf::damedamn::damn::damn::damnmusic::dead::cosbyhmm::dead: WARYAAA

Views against bid’ahEdit
The Qur'anic verse: "This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed my favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."(Quran 5:4), is considered by at least some Muslim to be against bid'ah in religion. The Sunnah has many more prohibitions against innovation in religion.[citation needed]

Ali ibn Abu Talib, of the Rashidun (rightly guided Caliphs), said; "He who innovates or gives protection to an innovator, there is a curse of Allah and that of His angels and that of the whole humanity upon him."[21][22] `Abd Allah ibn `Umar said: "Every innovation is misguidance, even if the people see it as something good."[23]

Abd Allah ibn Abbas, a companion of the Prophet and early Islamic scholar also said: "Indeed the most detestable of things to Allah are the innovations."[24] Sufyan al-Thawri, a tabi'i Islamic scholar, Hafiz and jurist, mentions: "Innovation is more beloved to Iblees than sin, since a sin may be repented for but innovation is not repented for."[25] He also said, "Whoever listens to an innovator has left the protection of Allāh and is entrusted with the innovation."[26]

A person once sent salaam to Abdullah ibn Umar who replied: "I do not accept his salaam, as this person has innovated by becoming Qadariyah (A sect which does not believe in destiny.")[27]

Al-Fuḍayl ibn ‘Iyāḍ is reputed to have said: "I met the best of people, all of them Salafi and they used to forbid from accompanying the people of innovation."[28][29] Hasan al-Basri mentions: "Do not sit with the people of innovation and desires, nor argue with them, nor listen to them".[30]Ibraaheem ibn Maysarah mentions: "Whoever honours an innovator has aided in the destruction of Islam."[31]

Al-Hasan ibn 'Ali al-Barbahari mentions: "The innovators are like scorpions. They bury their heads and bodies in the sand and leave their tails out. When they get the chance they sting; the same with the innovators who conceal themselves amongst the people, when they are able, they do what they desire."[32] Abu Haatim said: "A sign of the people of innovation is their battling against the people of Narrations."[33] Abu 'Uthmaan as-Saaboonee said: "The signs of the people of innovation are clear and obvious. The most apparent of their signs is their severe enmity for those who carry the reports of the Prophet."[34]

Views that differentiate between good and bad bid’ah
 
BetterAkhlaq

BetterAkhlaq

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Abdipapaya said:
Personal events :gucciwhat::gucciwhat::gucciwhat::gucciwhat::gucciwhat::gucciwhat::bell::bell::bell::nahgirl::ulyin::birdman::russ::lolbron::lolbron::manny::ooh::ooh::ooh::ooh::ooh::ooh::camby::childplease::browtf::browtf::damedamn::damn::damn::damnmusic::dead::cosbyhmm::dead: WARYAAA

Views against bid’ahEdit
The Qur'anic verse: "This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed my favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."(Quran 5:4), is considered by at least some Muslim to be against bid'ah in religion. The Sunnah has many more prohibitions against innovation in religion.[citation needed]

Ali ibn Abu Talib, of the Rashidun (rightly guided Caliphs), said; "He who innovates or gives protection to an innovator, there is a curse of Allah and that of His angels and that of the whole humanity upon him."[21][22] `Abd Allah ibn `Umar said: "Every innovation is misguidance, even if the people see it as something good."[23]

Abd Allah ibn Abbas, a companion of the Prophet and early Islamic scholar also said: "Indeed the most detestable of things to Allah are the innovations."[24] Sufyan al-Thawri, a tabi'i Islamic scholar, Hafiz and jurist, mentions: "Innovation is more beloved to Iblees than sin, since a sin may be repented for but innovation is not repented for."[25] He also said, "Whoever listens to an innovator has left the protection of Allāh and is entrusted with the innovation."[26]

A person once sent salaam to Abdullah ibn Umar who replied: "I do not accept his salaam, as this person has innovated by becoming Qadariyah (A sect which does not believe in destiny.")[27]

Al-Fuḍayl ibn ‘Iyāḍ is reputed to have said: "I met the best of people, all of them Salafi and they used to forbid from accompanying the people of innovation."[28][29] Hasan al-Basri mentions: "Do not sit with the people of innovation and desires, nor argue with them, nor listen to them".[30]Ibraaheem ibn Maysarah mentions: "Whoever honours an innovator has aided in the destruction of Islam."[31]

Al-Hasan ibn 'Ali al-Barbahari mentions: "The innovators are like scorpions. They bury their heads and bodies in the sand and leave their tails out. When they get the chance they sting; the same with the innovators who conceal themselves amongst the people, when they are able, they do what they desire."[32] Abu Haatim said: "A sign of the people of innovation is their battling against the people of Narrations."[33] Abu 'Uthmaan as-Saaboonee said: "The signs of the people of innovation are clear and obvious. The most apparent of their signs is their severe enmity for those who carry the reports of the Prophet."[34]

Views that differentiate between good and bad bid’ah
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I'm getting sick and tired of salafis.

Innovators are scorpions? Qadariyah is wrong? It literally says in the Quran that humans have been given free will and what we choose to do with it, is how we'll be judged by.

God is all knowing thus knows everything, but does that mean we do? Imagine this, let's hypothetically say our life is the movie with the plot and everything. It's already written right? But don't the characters have free will? The characters decisions, interactions, emotions and surprises are all a result of their own free will? (Not talking about actors)

This is exactly the problem I have with Salafis and the hadith, they contradict the Quran.

And yes, personal events have helped form my understanding of Islam for me, as well my morals. I will not believe in any hadiths, nor will I listen to anyone else. (Don't even try to misquote me on that)

My path is my path, and we'll see who's wrong later. I was actually hoping you were not a salafi, but simply a muslim. Shame.

Peace.
 
Abdipapaya

Abdipapaya

لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ
BetterAkhlaq said:
I'm getting sick and tired of salafis.

Innovators are scorpions? Qadariyah is wrong? It literally says in the Quran that humans have been given free will and what we choose to do with it, is how we'll be judged by.

God is all knowing thus knows everything, but does that mean we do? Imagine this, let's hypothetically say our life is the movie with the plot and everything. It's already written right? But don't the characters have free will? The characters decisions, interactions, emotions and surprises are all a result of their own free will? (Not talking about actors)

This is exactly the problem I have with Salafis and the hadith, they contradict the Quran.

And yes, personal events have helped form my understanding of Islam for me, as well my morals. I will not believe in any hadiths, nor will I listen to anyone else. (Don't even try to misquote me on that)

My path is my path, and we'll see who's wrong later. I was actually hoping you were not a salafi, but simply a muslim. Shame.

Peace.
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Im a muslim you neef to stope now before yawmiddeen arrives
 
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HouseofSamaale

BetterAkhlaq-

Someone who rejects mutawattir hadith is gaal.

Quranists was a sect invented by some dumb Egyptian guy in America. Its origins can be traced to Orientalist critique. How are you taking Islam from a gaal bent on proving it is fake?

All I will ask is this:

If Quranists are the true Islam, why did they only appear in the last 50 years.

No one ever heard of Quraniyun before this.
 
BetterAkhlaq

BetterAkhlaq

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HouseofSamaale said:
BetterAkhlaq-

Someone who rejects mutawattir hadith is gaal.

Quranists was a sect invented by some dumb Egyptian guy in America. Its origins can be traced to Orientalist critique. How are you taking Islam from a gaal bent on proving it is fake?

All I will ask is this:

If Quranists are the true Islam, why did they only appear in the last 50 years.

No one ever heard of Quraniyun before this.
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I really don't care when it appeared, what matters is that they share the same view as me. Anyways I have shown that music is truly halal and not haram, I have directly posted quotes from the Quran. Stop saying it's haram if you can't prove it.

Hadith contradict the Quran. Thus I do not follow them.
buule said:
A Muslim is not supposed to listen to this: “Put yo filthy hands all over me”.
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A muslim is also not supposed to contradict the Quran.
 
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HouseofSamaale

BetterAkhlaq said:
I really don't care when it appeared, what matters is that they share the same view as me. Anyways I have shown that music is truly halal and not haram, I have directly posted quotes from the Quran. Stop saying it's haram if you can't prove it.

Hadith contradict the Quran. Thus I do not follow them.

A muslim is also not supposed to contradict the Quran.
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I didn't say music is haram. Actually the position on music isn't simple in Islam. Saying you don't care is admitting Quraniyun aren't following the Prophet Sallalahu Alayhi Wasalam.

You can't prove Quraniyun are Ahlus Sunnah.

No one in history believed what you believe. Not one.

Anyways salaam. You can do your own research.
 
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